Warning - My Cake On Someone's Site!

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Hoover Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 1:14pm
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I have to say it is really sad that your picture is still up and she hasn't even bothered to try to alter it! It's bad enough to steal pictures then think you can fool people by cutting out the background! I just had to put in my 2 cents.

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Katrinagarrett1980 Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 1:26pm
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I just looked at the website.... I didn't readd all the posts on here....there are alot

I recognize several!!! I'm not good enough to have any stolen yet! icon_smile.gif

This business is in Killeen, Texas....which is not a big place. Has anyone considered calling the BBB there or the Chamber of Commerce. Sometimes local complaints get more backing... do you know what I mean?

Just a suggestions.... I think it is rather gutzy of this person.... has anyone called to talk to her and complain....It may fall on deaf ear...but worth a try!

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Shaela Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 1:40pm
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I looked at her site yesterday and she has changed the pics since then... she HAS removed the backgrounds... and I think she is still using other peoples photos. I guess I just don't get it. What on earth would posess someone to use work that is not theirs??? If you know anything about cake decorating... you can usually spot someones "style" once you have seen photos of several of their cakes. These cakes are too random in style to be done by the same person. Though I did read that she has two other "pastry chefs" working for her... Anyhow, I hope that someone can do some thing about her... enough is enough!

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sliceofheaven Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 1:40pm
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Could she even do the cakes posted for the prices she has listed???




icon_confused.gificon_confused.gificon_confused.gificon_confused.gif That was my initial thought too....HOW can she possibly charge so little...even with the basic flavors she has listed...I'd like to know her supplier! Unless, since she is apparently a fraud icon_surprised.gificon_surprised.giftapedshut.gif with her design work....maybe she doesn't scratch bake like she claims either! icon_eek.gificon_eek.gif .

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mommabuda Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 1:47pm
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If she really needs to post "ideas" on her website she should label them just as "ideas". The way she has them on there makes people think that they're all cakes she has made. I think those cake idea cd's are great! Personally, I wouldn't care if my picture was used on one of those... if I didn't want my pictures to be used for ideas, I would mark them with my email or something but it's not like they're actually GETTING your cake by ordering a cd with thousands of pictures on it... just as an idea... sorta like this site!

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itsmylife Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 1:54pm
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You would think that as a shop owner with employees, she would be producing enough of her own cakes to take her own pictures. It's not like she has thousands of pictures on there. Just take a few nice pictures of your good cakes and viola!.

I'm sure that some of the pics on the site are hers (at least I hope so - but who knows at this point)

I think it's fine to use someone's pic just to give your customers ideas, but ASK that person first. She was a cc member and she used a fellow cc members picture.... how hard would it have been to pm the cc member and ask?

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Cake_Mooma Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 2:21pm
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It is sad to see that this thread was started on Saturday the 18th, and who knows when that site was put up, so you can imagine how long those pics have been up, and here it is Tuesday the 21st and the photos are still up. Just because she cut out the backgrounds doesn't mean that the cakes are here design or her cakes at all. Well, after reading my business law books until 2 am last night, she as we all know has to have written permission from the person that 1st took the photo and 2nd the person that created the cakes, UNLESS the photos were "For Sale". Sort of like when you sign the forms at you local photo studio it will say, "BY signing this form you give permission to use photos taken by this studio to use in postings, flyer's or in any form of advertising......" or like the photos that we see in picture frames with families or items on them. Those pictures have been taken to be sold/posted. Therefore there is no real "Copyright" to those, ( there still is but it is with different regulations). Hey girls I really did my homework last night, I was quite a nerd in school, so when I am stuck now, I run to my books to see what flies and what doesn't. So down to the point, as we all already know too, she has one good legal matter in her hands and again just because she cut out the backgrounds it doesn't mean that in a court of law it can't be proven that the photos are someone else's photos or that the photos were "stolen".

Now, not only are the cakes very random, so are the photos. If you look at any one of our photo galleries here on CC you will see a consistency not only in cake style but also in the photos that we take. Yes there might be a time that we get the photo from someone else at the event or the pro. photographer has given/sold us a copy of our photo but still the set up, style and quality of the photo will be pretty much the same. So in the court of law when these photos are matched with the originals they will prove to be others cakes, and therefore she can be charged with larceny and copyright infringement when all is said and done. Now one of the things that has to be done by the book, which it has already been done, is GIVE HER THE OPORTUNITY TO FIX THE PROBLEM, advise her of the issue either by phone, mail or (now) e-mail, to remove the photos OR get the written permission from the person that has 1. created the cake, 2. taken the photo and give credit to the person that made the cake and the photographer that took the photo. Whew, my brain was on overdrive on that one icon_eek.gif It's like riding a bike, it all comes back to you... thumbs_up.gif

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donnajf Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 2:33pm
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I would like to know what kind of ingredients she is using! even if she is using box mixes the prices even 4 Texas shouldn't be that low!

I hate to say this but, I thought I saw another cake on that site-

it is posted in the "Other Cakes" section. it's the square shape wedding dress cake w/ a lovely pink bouquet of flowers... the picture is IDENTICAL to the one that was posted on this site- if I am wrong - please correct me.

We have all use someone's work for reference from Toba G. to Duff and we will NEVER get that close to their work!
posting or lifting a pic and claiming it as yours! that takes alot of B%LLS!

If she is reading these post (and you get to this one) - to you I say
" I DARE YOU TO TAKE TOBA OR DUFF'S WORK AND
CLAIM IT AS YOURS"

Very distasteful! icon_sad.gificon_sad.gificon_sad.gif NOT NICE AT ALL!
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Make wonder if the rest of the cake belong to her?

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SLK Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 3:00pm
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I'm late coming to this conversation.

I never in a million years though someone would want to claim one of my cakes as their own, but a month ago a cc member pm'd me and said she though she noticed one of my cakes on a web site.

I looked and sure enough it was one of my Dora cakes. I tracked down the CC member and asked her to remove it immediately (she actually had her web site linked to her cc account). She took my pic down promptly. She responded that I misunderstood the web site and that it stated that the cakes were "ideas". I may have, it was in Spanish (which I cannot read), but regardless she should have asked. So, I totally know how you feel.

I'm just shocked that after 4 days - your pic is still up there.

Now after reading this post, I'm coming to the realization that this must happen much more often than we realize. Thank goodness that we have others watching our backs.

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arosstx Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 3:14pm
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donnajf, thanks for noticing my cake on her website. If you go back to the first post of this very long thread, you will see that it is the same cake that started all this!!!

And to top it all off, it is still on her website. I just don't get it.

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AnythingSugar Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 3:17pm
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I am so sorry that this has happened to you. I hope it is soon resolved. I look to CC members for inspiration and methods. I value that information but I would NEVER in a million years use someone else's photo and say it was mine. That is just wrong! Good luck on settling this.

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Kayakado Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 3:28pm
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arahsa Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 3:44pm
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Is there any way that maybe she took your idea and created a cake like it? Maybe she is inspired by some of the cakes that she see's on CC and uses the ideas.

Good luck I hope it works out for you!

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Crissy_Cakes Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 3:45pm
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I just visited her site and sure enough, there was your beautiful cake that I added to my favorites awhile ago. I'm just amazed that someone would rip-off cakes from this site and claim them as their own. I'm honestly wondering if any of those cakes are on her site are actually hers.

I mean, how miffed would you be if you were a customer and asked her to make your cake and it came out completely different. And besides that, the person who actually decorated that masterpiece needs to be given the due praise.

I'm so pissed about this........ icon_evil.gificon_mad.gificon_evil.gificon_mad.gificon_evil.gificon_mad.gificon_evil.gificon_mad.gificon_evil.gif

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Heath Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 3:55pm
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Heath, I was wondering if is it conceivable that a "ghost image CakeCentral watermark" might be enabled, to protect all the images here?




We had a long forum conversation about this, and while we may implement something in the future, the reality is that the solution that the overall community would accept is alot more work than just having a generic watermark. The only solution that seemed to have widespread support from the community was to have a water mark that read something like:

"Property of Cake Central Member 'X' "

This means each watermark has to be dynamically generated, which means a custom script has to be written. we will eventually add this, but it is the kind of thing that takes time. Plus we have to add to the script that it is an optional feature. So for each user it can be turned on or off.

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summernoelle Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 3:57pm
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According to earlier posts, this woman is extremely talented. Not that it is ethical, but I can't help but wonder if she saw certain cakes on this site and thought that she could reproduce them. All the cakes on my site are my own, and it is very expensive to make dummy cakes simply for the purpose of displaying them. Maybe she just didn't have many examples of her own work. I wouldn't post others photos as an example of my work, but I wonder if it was a cost issue for her.

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arosstx Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 3:58pm
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No arahsa, it is my cake for sure. If you go to my pictures you'll see one a square cake that's pink w/ a wedding dress on it. Then go to her site (on the very first post of this thread) and look at her 'other' cakes - you'll see it there. Click on the little version of it to make it bigger and you'll see that it is my cake.

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shebaben Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 4:00pm
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I just looked at the support a soldier site you mentioned - I think you're right. This is what I copied and pasted from that site:
Our History
Vavette Blevins, founder of Support A Soldier, embarked on a personal project to provide Care
Package support to the Soldiers deployed from Fort Hood,Texas who support the Global War on
Terrorism. The results have been overwhelmingly positive and have provided a meaningful way
for community members and caring individuals to show their support for our deployed Soldiers.
Vavette, is a Civilian Contract employee with Fort Hood Dental Command and is currently
working on her Masters in Human Resource Management at Tarleton State University. With
the help of local community members and media sources, Support A Soldier's goal is to
increase the morale of deployed Soldiers from Fort Hood, and in the future hopes to be able
to provide the same support for members deployed from other installations. Vavette's
husband, SGM Lee Blevins is assigned to the 4th Infantry Division.

On August 27, 2005, Support A Soldiers was established as a Texas non-profit corporation,
with Federal IRS 501(c)(3) charity status.
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anorris3 Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 4:18pm
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She has taken so many pictures down, why not the one that was initially complained about??? Had she done that this thread would be considerably shorter. Some people...

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edencakes Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 4:19pm
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I just wanted to point out - if she's telling the truth about her credentials, she should really know that it's spelled 'Le Cordon Bleu', not 'Blue'.

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arosstx Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 4:20pm
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I never mentioned anything about her support a soldier website, but I do remember seeing the link to it before all the changes to her website started appearing yesterday. I think it was someone else that mentioned it.

I am not interested in a personal attack against her or her private non-profit endeavors. I am prior military, so is my dad, and my daughter currently serves. I am all for anything that supports the thankless work of the military.

The main thing I am interested in (besides an explanation and apology) is that she remove my personal property from her for-profit business website, the sooner the better!

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ceshell Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 4:27pm
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OK I am still 100% with everyone that her using the photos is wrong and that they need to come down right away (clock is ticking on the 24hr warning right?) and that it's astoundingly unethical for her to have done that. I'm also still chafing at her nasty response to CakeRN when contacted (and correct me if I'm wrong, but she STILL never responded to YOU did she arosstx?)

BUT I don't think it's fair to speculate why she can keep her prices so low or assume that she's doing something ELSE unethical (I know, it's hard, since she's already doing one pretty major unethical thing to promote her business).

Someone mentioned that the business just started in May of this year, so I'd certainly think it's unlikely that everyone starting a business can make so many cakes (or dummies) to post on their site--between the time and money involved. Her site does say "designs we offer" even though the photos are misleadingly listed under "portfolio". That is still wrong - the pics should each be a) authorized by the original owners and b) be given a credit. Failing that, they stay in her shop and she pulls them out to show people during consultation, just the way any of you do, I would guess, if you offer styles that are not your own or you pull out pics for inspiration.

Still it's not kind of us to speculate that she cannot do any of those cakes or that she's doing something really dastardly in order to offer such low prices. If it's a new business, low prices are often the best way to compete in order to grow the business. Many new business owners operate at little to no profit just to get established.

I hope you can all see that I am still on "our" side and I can understand why we all speculate as to why someone would be so nervy as to do this kind of bull@(##. And I agree, this thread would have been a lot shorter if she had taken the pic down or at least, for cryin' out loud, contacted arosstx to tell her she would do so - I mean, what gives???? She had time for a snippy response to someone else, but not to the OP?

Anyway I think that is my teeny 2cents for the day. Keep on cakin' icon_smile.gif

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Ironbaker Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 4:33pm
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She seems to be a military wife.
http://www.supportasoldier.org/About.html




She was also military at one point. I do ocmmend her or what she does for the soldiers and that's why this baffles me even more! How can someone who can start such a wonderful organization be so flippant about taking people's pictures....and removing them?? It makes no sense.

I came across her last post on this site also and she was even asking someone for their name and info to display their cake on her soldier site!! What gives?? Why isn't this the same deal?

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DebbyTCL Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 4:39pm
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I checked on godaddy.com to see who's this site is registered to and it said:

{admin edited out posting personal info}

Maybe try contacting him to see if you can get any action out of him since she doesn't want to take down your photo. But then again, maybe she is saving yours for last since it is you are the one to have contacted her.

I hope she knows that she has to have something in her possession to prove that the cake is hers. It would have to be on her film negatives, digital camera memory card, something! Just because she is editing the photos does not make them hers. If she does not have this, she will not have a leg to stand on if she goes to court.

I had someone tell me that 1 of my cakes didn't belong to me and that it was his, I e-mailed him the photo of my daughter and her new husband with the cake at their wedding reception. Never heard from him again. Cover your butts ladies.

PS: Your cake is gorgous!

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arahsa Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 4:50pm
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I just checked. OMG I am so sorry about what I said. I thought maybe if the backround was different. But it TOTALLY the same. Is there anyway that she can get into trouble? I would be SO ANGRY if that was me.

Its one thing to recreate, but to copy and paste a picture you never even made is going to far.

SHE IS A FRAUD!!!!!!!!

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WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, OR WHAT CAN YOU DO NOW??????

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icantcook Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 4:58pm
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I am sure she will eventually do the right thing,and it will come down at 23:56. It is a power thing. You want her to take it down. By golly, you're not the boss of her and she's not gonna take it down until she is good and ready. My 5 year old does this to me frequently.

Supposedly there is no such thing as bad publicity. Think of how many visits she has had to her web site since this thread started. Makes her visit counter look good. Does it help your listing in search engines if you already have a good number of visitors? Can you tell I'm not too techno-savvy?

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arosstx Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 5:11pm
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DebbyTCL,
Would you PLEASE go to your last post on this thread and DELETE all the personal information you posted? This is between me and them, and I would prefer that be omitted from this thread at the risk of it getting shut down.

I need a place to vent and keep my head about all this. I would have preferred that come to me ONLY in a private message, not be posted for everyone to read.

Thanks.

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ceshell Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 5:24pm
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Oh, Audrey, I just had a thought, you prob already did this but just in case...be sure to take screen grabs of her site in case things have to get to lawyers...

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Nyma Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 5:30pm
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OMG I've been reading this thread for a looong time now. I live in Killeen and it is VERY interesting that she is from Killeen. Also, she was doing a Masters in HR and I graduated Tarleton nn dec 2005 with a Master in HR also!! Wow!! I probably know her or at least have seen her but I don't see any pictures anywhere.

arosstx I'm sorry you're going thru all these trouble with this lady that lacks integrity. Your patience and respect thru this process will pay back.

Nyma

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icantcook Posted 21 Aug 2007 , 5:33pm
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A moderator may have to delete the post. Sometimes once others have posted after you, you can't go back and edit your own post. There is also a time limit.

Since it is personal info and with the prevalence of ID theft, I feel it is adequate grounds to ask a moderator to remove this immediately -do not wait for the poster. Stealing the photo was wrong, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. I bet DebbyTCL didn't mean any malice, she was probably just excited to get the info and wanted to help you. Sometimes I type before I think, too...

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