So Where Did The Island Go?! Lost Is Back!!!!!!
Lounge By lanibird Updated 28 May 2010 , 1:23pm by janebrophy
*Why does Kate live another day?
LOL!! I so agree Ironbaker!! Sick of her!
I thought the beginning with Jacob and evilguy was symbolic too. Maybe a Cain vs. Able sorta thing.
I noticed that Jacob touched everyone he came in contact with. Was a little creepy when he was with young Kate in the story. Came across as a pedophile almost.
I was still hoping that Claire would pop up. But if they go back to 2007 and everything is honkey dory does that mean Charlie will be back? And Boon and Sharon?
I'm going "hmmmmmmm" again........
Great thoughts you guys! I hate it that Kate is still alive, and still causing trouble...poor Juliette, that really sucked when Sawyer was looking at Kate, and Juliette saw him....
And Jack, wow, he's out of control! Talk about being on a mission....
I'm trying to figure out what next season will hold...if they all died, they couldn't make a whole season out of that could they? ( Uh, probably!) My guess is that the bomb never actually went off, and that next season will pick up where this one left off.....
What about this war that is supposed to be coming? Who will that be? If Jacob is able to "cure" people, can't he fix himself? Maybe the war will be between his followers and his "brother's"?
There are so many unanswered questions, I have no idea how we could possibly get answers to all of them in just one season....although the producers gave me the impression that all would be revealed next season....
I've never posted in here, but I've always kept up with the thread. I LOVE some of the theories that you guys come up with.
I was crying like a baby watching the scene between Sawyer and Juliette. The whole finale was just amazing. It'll be interesting to see what's up with Locke....since he did see himself earlier in the one episode where he was in the woods and his leg was messed up.....so there was some sort of overlapping of time???
Great show. I wish the hiatus wasn't so darn long.
Hi itsmylife!
I wish there was no hiatus! LOL!! I think I may go into shock....I'm debating on buying the DVD set, since the show will be over soon, but I want to know how it ends first! If the ending sucks, I won't want to watch any of it again! LOL!
Random thoughts and questions...
I keep watching the part of Jacob and the mystery man over and over.
I am trying to decipher this quote and whether it means something more...
"It only ends once, anything before that is just progress."
Jacob says this after the other man says something about not wanting people coming to the island, because they do nothing, but fight and destroy. (Which is also something similar that Bernard and Rose said. BTW) So are we to assume that Jacob is good, just because he wears white? If the other guy is bad, then why would he care if people who come to the island bring destruction? Wouldn't he like that, lol?
Looking at the screen caps the fish that Jacob is filleting is red. Someone else brought up it might be a red herring, I thought that was funny. I don't know my fish though, lol. Maybe one of you do.
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/6436c0b74978d5bb31c66f4d5b885979
I also wonder if there is any reason that Jacob went to Kate, Sawyer, and Juliet as children and the others as adults and relatively close to the crash or afterwards?
Maybe it's because the guy who plays Jacob was the woman beating husband on Dexter, but I just don't trust him. 
Oh, my too much yelling at the television last night.
You guys already touched on some stuff.
Like fake Locke is smoky. Did you notice that when Ben called Smoky in the Darma village that it was John that can out of the jungle? And when Ben fell down into the lower tunnel that fake Locke 'went to get something to help' and suddenly smokey appears again once he is out of sight.
Also who showed fake Locke the hole to get into the temple. I thought only Jin saw that when he was with the french castaways. Fake Locke knew about it cause that is his hidy hole. 
So I was wondering, what was that book that Jacob was reading when John fell out the window? Anybody read that before, what is the storyline?
I am thinking about the religious side of this now. The devil couldn't kill Jesus himself so he used Judas to deliver the son of God. Jesus had the ability to raise people from the dead...Locke post window dive.
They come and sin...and it will end once.
And did you see the look on fake Locke's face when Jacob said 'they are coming.?? The celebration was cut short. Someone more powerful than Jacob is on his way and smoky is scared. Maybe I'm way off but it makes you wonder if the island isn't a metaphor for life on earth.
nine months is so long.
okay, let the theories fly people. It is all so very interesting to connect the dots.
Anyone else excited about "Flashforward"?
mommachris
is fake locke smokey? or the same guy as at the beginning -- able to "morph" -- remember Jacob said -- so you found your loophole. Guy at beginning said was looking for loophole...
and if guy at beginning can more (even if it is smokey) -- was the Jacob we saw touch the lives of all the Losties really Jacob or the guy/smokey in disguise? and if the guy in disguise -- was he looking to find his loop-hole in one of the losties?
and what of Jacob....
did you note how he feel into the fire pit and caught on fire -- could they be doing the whole phoenix rise from the ashes thing...
which leads to --- an atomic bomb is certainly one BIG fire -- and what will rise from its ashes???
I keep going over that sentence too, Maryj. (It only ends once...)
Maybe in reference to the time hopping...they learn to do things differently? Better? I don't know...I want to know. lol
I also wonder about why he went to some as kids. I wonder if he was marking them for his "list"? Remember a few seasons back, Jack, Kate and Sawyer were chosen to go to the Others' camp and were told they were on "the list"? Maybe he marked them when they were kids? Why?
A friend told me today that they think Hurley is a key part....and whatever may be in the guitar case. Hurley was the only one Jacob was "real" with in terms of talking about the island. Still thinking on that one...
Yeah, "who" is coming? Was Jacob talking about Richard and Ilana and her crew? Maybe they are descendants of his?
I thought Jacob would be evil but he seems to have been decent. I still don't understand Richard. "Locke" at the end is the loophole dude from the beginning but who exactly is he, we sadly have to wait for 8 months. No Jin & Sun reunion and there are alot of connections to make yet. I am also waiting for Jack to find out the Claire relation to him. So is Christian a morphed being as well? So wonderfully confusing.
zamode, Jack found out the the memorial service that he held for his dad that Christian had a 'family' in Australia. Claire's mom introduced herself and said her daughter was on the plane too. At least that is how I remember it. Am I wrong..somebody correct me if I am.
More questions.
Okay, Richard said there is only one leader at a time. So that means the Ellie and Charles are not co-leaders like I thought. But at one time Charles was the leader because he commanded that twenty-something Ben should kill baby Alex. So, when did Ellie leave and why. Was she banished too?
I'd like a bit of history on just how Dharma got a settlement on the island anyway. Who let that happen. 
What is with the 'carcass' bit. Alana called out for the 'carcass' and Richard walked up and introduced himself. Also she said that Lapedis would make a good candidate for a carcass which is why they took him on the canoe trip.
Are we dealing with zombies now?
eww.
mommachris
hey Doug, I think the flash back Joshua was really him. He had a gentle caring that the fake Locke guy never had. That guy just seems a bit pushy in his agenda whereas Joshua was trying to help everyone he talked too.
Just my opinion.
mommachris
(mommachris, I think you meant Jacob, not Joshua ? 
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Okay, I needed some time to think...
In my mind I've always assumed that Jacob and the Island and Smokey were all on the same "team." Now I don't, it's figuring out who is good and who is bad. I really really want to believe that Jacob is good, he seemed to help all the losties before they came to the island. I know the white and black shirts worn by Jacob and mystery man in the beginning isn't enough to prove good/evil, but I think of them like clues. We've seen so many black and white imagry on the show, (backgammon pieces, the white and black stones with 'Adam & Eve,' Claire's dream when Locke had one back and one white eye... etc.)
The Sawyer/Juliet scene made be bawl... BUT if they flash back to 2004 (Juliet on the island, the Losties at LAX) Juliet would be alive and well right? Because she was still alive when she blew the bomb. I just need clarification I guess.
Funny how major things in regular episodes (Sayid getting SHOT) just kinda gets glossed over with the super-important things! I really hope everything works according to plan... I don't want Sayid to be dead 
So why didn't the bomb blow when Jack dropped it? Did the Island not want it to yet, or was it just convenient for the writers? I'm not complaining, I like everything hte way it is, it was just wierd to me the it didn't go off the first time.
I am so so so glad we saw what was in the box! We drew a collective gasp when we saw what it was. I thought that was going to be the cliff-hanger we were talking about, especially when they didn't show it to us when Frank saw. Kinda like the coffin in season 3...
Poor Locke. He got duped by Ben. Tragic. All this time we thought that Locke had resurrected, but he's been dead the whole time!
You've mentioned it already... but who is coming (as in "They are Coming" )? I had thought he meant Illana's group, but I was talking to my Grandma, and she thought he was talking about the Losties coming back.
Why did Jacob just let himself get killed? That's the way it seemed to me. At first I was thinking that this has happened SO many times to Jacob, over and over, (on a loop) but they had talked about how Fake Locke had finally found his loophole. But what if this loophole has happened over and over also? This causes some serious cerebral cramping.
Yeah, Doug, see some of our earlier posts...at least mine, I do believe that guy is Smokey (maybe his spirit?) who has morphed into various dead people over the course of the seasons. I'm wondering if that scene in the beginning between Jacob and FakeLocke was a long time ago. Like Black Rock time or something.
I also am wondering about that scene when Ben first took John to what he thought was Jacob's cabin. Maybe they had FakeLocke's spirit locked in there and ended up letting him out? Jacob obviously wasn't there.
Yes, I believe Jack knows Claire is his sister.
Mommachris - Ilana said "who is Ricardus", not carcass. It sounds like the latin version of Richard's name. Richard is old as dirt. 
And his response to the riddle (what lies beneath the shadow of the statue...) sounded like latin. I've since heard it translated into something like "The one who will save/guard us."
I was just reading a message board devoted to Lost and some of them are thinking the same thing that we are. Locke = smokey. And are also thinking along the lines of biblical innuendoes ie: when John woke up on the beach he ate an apple (the forbidden fruit). Also how smokey appears and disappears in conjunction with Locke showing up or leaving. They have also switched the good vs. evil around by saying that Jacob is the evil on and Locke/smokey is working for the better good of the island.
And how did Bernard and Rose get the Dharma food? The lost-posties have suggested that Juilette was bringing it to them? And that Juilette is preggers. Hmmmmm.
And that when Ben & Widmore had their conversation:
WIDMORE: Have you come here to kill me, Benjamin?
BEN: We both know I can't do that.
Smokie: ''Do you know how much I want to kill you?''
Jacob: ''Yes.''
Maybe Ben has some smokey in him too, since he was healed on the island after being shot by Sayid?
From a lost-postie:
"Jacob represents life because he just touched Locke after he fell out the window and he came back to life. Richard also states that he doesn't age because of Jacob.
The other guy represents death because he wants to kill Jacob and it appears that he can take the form of dead people like Locke, Christian and Alex. The reason I say this guy has take the form of Christian and Alex also is because Christian told Sun to wait for Locke even though Locke was dead and Alex told Ben to do everything Locke says. All three people seem to be pushing people in the same direction AND you never see any two dead people together. Ex. When Alex appears it just so happens that Locke is left behind at the top of the temple. And Locke only appears after Christian tells Sun to wait then Christian disappears.
As for the loophole that allows Jacob to die I think it has to do with Ben and only Ben. I don't think anybody else could kill Jacob. Ben is like a go between for Death and Life because technically Ben should be dead but he's not, it was probably Jacob that saved his life as a kid."
I couldn't think of these things even if I tried, so I just posted some interesting thoughts that were similar.
Here is the link to the site:
http://www.lost.com/forum/
Ah, bigsis, you just helped me! Maybe the bomb going off would simply transport the gang in the 70's back to present time?
joshua....jacob.....that is what I get for getting on in the daytime when my kids are still awake.
mommachris
Wait. A. Second.
The thought stuck me today like a slap in the face.
Did the Losties really have to go back to the island?
Unless I fail to remember something, didn't the whole idea of getting them back to the island originate from Fake Locke? Because Fake Locke told Richard to tell the REAL Locke that he needed to get everyone back. Right? I keep going over it in my mind, and it seems to work that way in it's weird looped way. The only thing is when Real Locke fell down the well and talked to Christian, I think he told him something about getting everyone back also. I'll have to watch that part again sometime to check. But even if Christian had told him that, what if it wasn't REALLY Christian anyway? What if (what I'm calling) Smokey inhabited all the thought-as-dead people we've seen the whole series? (Christian, Alex, Harper, etc.)
Just thought I"d throw that out there. Maybe I'm just a little slow, lol.
Oh, I meant to mention this earlier...
Remember way back in season 3 when Locke and Ben went to see Jacob? And even though we now know that Ben had been faking it that whole time, someone/thing had said "Help Me" to Locke. Well, we also saw just a split-second of a shadowy figure sitting in Jacob's rocking chair, and everyone agreed that it looked a lot like Locke - just with hair. So now I'm thinking it was just Fake Locke that we saw and heard. I'll try to attach the photo I found.
Hmmmm......
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/Satyr1138/LockeJacob-2.jpg
Didn't John have to die in order for the imposter to take over his being?
He has the style of clothing on that Jacob and the other dude had on at the beach. They said that Jacob hadn't been in that cabin for a long time. So I am assuming Jacob put the other guy there and kept him trapped with the ash. He is the one who asked for help from Locke. He wanted to get out. It has shown the ash barrier was broken when Illana and her crew went there so whomever was trapped escaped.
But...
If that man is suppose to be Smokey how could he have been trapped in the cabin when Locke had been in there since Smokey was obviously free at that time.
Dang it!
Lost...
Wait. A. Second.
The thought stuck me today like a slap in the face.
Did the Losties really have to go back to the island?
Unless I fail to remember something, didn't the whole idea of getting them back to the island originate from Fake Locke? Because Fake Locke told Richard to tell the REAL Locke that he needed to get everyone back. Right? I keep going over it in my mind, and it seems to work that way in it's weird looped way. The only thing is when Real Locke fell down the well and talked to Christian, I think he told him something about getting everyone back also. I'll have to watch that part again sometime to check. But even if Christian had told him that, what if it wasn't REALLY Christian anyway? What if (what I'm calling) Smokey inhabited all the thought-as-dead people we've seen the whole series? (Christian, Alex, Harper, etc.)
Just thought I"d throw that out there. Maybe I'm just a little slow, lol.
Not slow, I agree, that's what I was pondering in my earlier posts. I think "Smokey/FakeLocke" has been posing as the dead people, including Christian, throughout to get the Losties to do what he needed. I'm not sure why they all had to come back though...
I think our minds are going to say in this state of Lost for the next 9 months. lol
I like what you're thinking MaryJ... I forgot about the ash circle having been broken.
It's great to see how all the things we've seen throught the whole series is getting tied together. I love it.
I can't get this show out of my head.
I like what you're thinking MaryJ... I forgot about the ash circle having been broken.
It's great to see how all the things we've seen throught the whole series is getting tied together. I love it.
I can't get this show out of my head.
I'm totally going to start watching from season 1 over again. I'm going thru withdrawl, and it's not even Wednesday! Maybe if I watch everything over again, it will give some new perspective...
Wouldn't it be great?!! I'll get the snacks ready!!!
It would be! It would've been great if we could all watch the finale together.
OK, a few more thoughts....a friend and I were discussing (still!) this earlier after she was telling me about a site she read. About the "progress" comment that Jacob makes in the beginning..
Maybe he "chooses" these specific Losties because they are reincarnates of their previous selves? Obviously, others have been to the island, FakeLocke mentions that they always come and fight and destroy. Maybe Jacob continues to bring them in hopes that they continue to progress to what they're supposed to do...whatever that is? They could be versions of their much older selves who initially stumbled on the island ages ago. It would explain why they're all interconnected.
Something else pointed out to me, may or may not mean anything: when Hurley left jail and was given his items back - he got the 3 things that Jacob gave to the Losties as kids. Money (paid for Kate's stolen goods), a pen (gave one to Sawyer) and a candy bar (given to Jack). Coincidence?
Remember "Adam and Eve" found in the cave? Bernard and Rose??
Will our brains ever shut off from this show???
Will our brains ever shut off from this show???
Not mine
I LOVE LOVE LOVE that about Hurley's returned items. I wouldn't have ever caught that!
I read this, this isn't from me, but Jacob touches each of the Losties when he had visited them before they came to the island. Except Illana, but she wan't an 815er. Could he be scanning them or something, like Smokey does too? Hmmmm.... It seems very on-purpose when you look for it.
Thisis a loooooong article, but if you have the time, it's worth a read. Has a lot to do with Mystery man being Smokey!
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/05/things-i-noticed-incident-by-vozzek69.html
Maybe for the premiere or finale next year we can open a chatroom on ustream or something and all watch it 'together', just virtually. Something that's feasible and more real-time. That'd be so much fun!
Man, I love this show. My mind should be on the Finale of 24 tonight, but I'm stuck on Lost.
Ooh another 24 watcher! That was good too.
I loved he Hurley stuff to and it makes me wonder even more if he IS the key to it all? What is in that guitar case? He's always thought he was cursed or something and it may be so much bigger than that. The fact that he had those numbers stuck in his head and never knew why also ties into my "reincarnated" theory.
OK, that article is pretty good, I agree with just about all of it. It made me look at the line "Smokey" says in the beginning a bit differently. The part where he tells Jacob that the people always come and fight, destroy and corrupt. I think it was Maryjsgirl who mentioned that is Smokey is about evil why would he seem to be against it? Reading it again, I don't think he is against it. It's now sounding to me like he's proving to Jacob that Jacob is still wrong - they do exactly what Smokey wants - fight, destroy and corrupt. It is still the same thing and not something different (what Jacob is looking for). Does that make sense?
Thanks for sharing that!
Yes, that made sense, Ironbaker There's only one ending, like Jacob eluded too.
Well, before this thread gets lost in the great depths of past CC threads, I just wanted to say, It's been fun! I don't have many people around me that are really REALLY into the show, so it's been nice having a sounding board. Sometimes when I go off trying to explain some detailed theory I have, a casual-viewer friend will just stare at me afterwards, and give a polite, "Oooo....Uh-huh." Lol. Can't wait til next year 
~Beth
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