I haven't watched the show but have seen all the clip its on the entertainment news etc..about what is going on....I'm not sure but did they have Invitro with all their children or just the 8? Did they have problems concieving or just wanted to do it that way? Please don't anyone blast me I am just curious and have never watched even from the beginning!!

I feel very bad for the children..."Divorce changed kids no matter how civil or not"

They did have invitro for all of the kids as Kate says she suffers from Poly cystic something or other making it hard for her to become pg on her own.

did she say something about "the show must go on"

that's the problem, they put the show first and the kids second.

the show will fizzle out in a couple of years, no more books, people will lose interes and move on and all they'll have left is that huge mortgage and 8 therapy bills to pay for the kids

does anyone know how long they have a contract with TLC? I'm just wondering how many seasons they have left to do.

I swear there should be a mass boycott of the show so TLC will drop them, that's the only way Kate will let it go.

I hate to hear people are getting divorces, it literally makes my stomach turn. Yes, I recognize some marriages are better off that way, but I still hate to see it.

I don't think Jon's attitude towards being MARRIED has anything to do with his FATHERING. Based on what I saw on the show, he was a very good father to those childre, he probably just couldn't stand being around their mother. Sadly like Doug pointed out, the courts are probably going to side with the mother and Jon is going to slowly be pushed out of their lives. I saw my DH go through this with his EX. She confused him not wanting to be married to her with him wanting to be a father to the children...of course (as some of you know) she still plays "Puppetmaster" and uses the children to get back at him. I gotta good feeling Kate's gonna do the same, which will screw the kids up even more.

I thought TLC was "The Learning Channel"... maybe they need to stick to the learning part instead of sticking cameras in families homes for "reality TV". From what I've seen of shows about families like this is that it never turns out well for the family and the kids are always the ones to suffer.

In a couple of months time it will be "Jon who??" If he is moving to NY and is getting on with his 32 year old life, well, seems like his mid-life crisis struck a bit early. Mind you, having 8 kids by the age of 27 is a bit much. I think he found his b*lls and Kate didn't like the fact that he was standing up to her and voicing his opinion on things, well at least that may be part of the problem, him galavanting around town with 23 yr olds, is another problem !~

I don't see them being friends or friendly for that matter towards each other. They can barely be in the same vicinity so I don't know how them sharing the house on the days that Jon has visitation would work out.

The only ones who will win in this are the lawyers..........

I thought they had signed onto another contract with TLC for 40 more episodes, this was AFTER they had already started having problems.

I watched the show for as long as i could. Honestly, i wanted to jump through the tv and smack John in the head, i was sooo angry. The way he says, "this is a fun and exciting time"...WTF...How could any father who is facing divorce use those terms to describe a divorce. It left me feeling sick to my stomach and really angry. At that point i said to my husband, 'turn this sh!t off. I can't believe his attitude. He speaks like this is a walk in the park. As much as the public want to condemn kate for keeping the show etc.. I believe that she is trying to make it work and he is just walking away. I mean, if the reports are true and he is looking for apartments in NY, how in hell is he going to be there for his kids. It seems to me he wants to run away, have fun, and forget about his responsibilities. That being said, i know that marraige breakdown is generally a two way street, but his attitude has really rubbed me the wrong way. Well, thats all i have to say about the whole thing..ugh this whole thing is sickening and sooooo sad.

He probably IS happy to get away from Kate! I would be too. Shoot, I'd be on here trying to figure out which oone of you is gonna do my divorce cake!

I don't care about either of their attitudes towards eachother. I'm just looking at the way the children are treated. NY isn't that far from PA so it's not that hard to see the children, if they get joint custody. Being an adulterer makes you a sucky spouse, but it doesn't mean you're a horrible parent. If that's the case, based on the rumors, niether one of them should get the kids.

I would imagine the definition of "fun and exciting" to a guy who has been caught by the paps getting out of another woman's car, and is now leaving his family.....to be something along the lines of "Fun and exciting time, I can go dip my fishing pole in new waters now!!!!"

Did anyone else catch the comment Kate made about "I will NOT spend ONE Holiday away from my children".

So when Jon has the kids for let's say Easter and his little 23 yr old friend comes out of the other room to "cut the ham" you mean to tell me all of them INCLUDING Kate will sit down to eat a civil meal together! They couldn't even speak to each other in last night's episode and she wants to have every holiday together.

I don't think she realizes that she'll do what the courts tell her to do.......She's not used to not having "control" of every little situation. It's certainly going to be an eye opening experience for her.

Both of these people disgust me to no end and those 8 little cuties are about to go through hell because their parents are selfish idiots.

She's make me cringe when she says what's going to or not going to happen. She reminds me so much of my DH's EX it's ridiculous. It's like you said Deb, she'll do whatever the courts tell her butt to do and I'd love to hear her scoff at the judge.

I caught that remark too....and I commented to my husband that already she has missed many holidays. She's on the road promoting her book and show, and I don't think that will change.
And yes, she's in for a shock when the judge doesn't bend over like Jon does.

She's only going to do it to get back at Jon. I seriously loathe women who use their children to get back their husband. It qualifies as abuse in my mind

re: Jon running away to start a new life.

1) considering what he's went through ALONE to take care of 8 kids -- well, I've heard a lot of women express the same sentiment -- OMG -- get me away from here, I need a break!

2) considering what he's gone through with the wicked witch ---- can we save emotionally and mentally abusive -- and just how often on here have women rah-rahed - you go girl encouraging women to get out of such relationships -- but Jon is slammed for seeking his sanity and release from abuse!? can we say hypocritical.

3) we can only hope the judge and lawyers will make sure that Jon is not abused again by having access limited

4) I fear she will pour nothing but sweet poison in the childrens' ears about him

From everything I've seen of Jon on the show is that he is a very caring father. His approach to parenting is different from Kate's because she's a control-freak and constantly has to have her way. If she talks to and treats her husband the way that she does, it won't be long before that's how she talks to and demeans her kids.

No parent is perfect, but I certainly don't see him disappearing from his children's lives only to show up at their graduation.

i really don't think jon is just going to disappear from the kids' lives. if he really was apartment shopping in new york (one bedroom) i'm fairly certain it's because they both said that the kids will not be shuttle around between different house. the parents are going to be the ones moving around. so he really doesn't need a huge amount of space. also, i really don't blame him for wanting to go out and have some fun -- when it's not his time to be with the kids -- because after a relationship like that, i'd be right there with him! i really do believe he cares for those kids more than any of us could know.

I PRAY that my Son doesn't marry somebody like Kate. She's created her own destiny, there's no doubt in my mind.

I do think it's sad that they didn't at least try marriage counselling. Jon said he will always "love her as the mother of my children", and she did show some spark of remorse (unless it was acting)

The entire situation is just so sad. I'll stick to my prior thought, they've both acted like idiots.

Doug..........I completely get what you are saying and I've seen that in her treatment of Jon too............but if he were any kind of Man he'd have stood up to her. Sadly he's a weak man that happened to marry a very bitchy controlling woman....and he allowed her to treat him like one of the children. They're both wrong.

I heard they are going to put further shows on hold till august.

by then, people will have lost all interest

according to the divorce filing they've lived apart for 2 years.

so I guess the 2nd wedding in hawaii was just another ploy for an all expenses trip.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31512795/

there was a correction posted if you check that link again.

ALLENTOWN, Pa. - CORRECTION: The Associated Press sent an earlier version of this story that said Kate and Jon Gosselin had been living âseparate and apartâ for at least two years. The AP later sent a correction saying this was not true and that the couple had been living apart only for a week or two.

Yup, on the divorce papers she checked off the box that states that they had been living apart for two years.

TMZ explains it:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/23/jon-and-kate-divorce-papers-are-deceiving/

interesting...