Okay so I read a forum that said she spanked Leah because Leah was blowing on a whistle while Kate was talking on the phone.
For one, I have spanked my children and probably will do so again at some point in their lives. I don't intend to get a debate started, I'm just not into being a pot who likes to call kettle's black. That being said, the one time I spanked my son was when he jerked out of my hand after I told him he couldn't go across the street and darted into the street anyway, yup, spanked his booty. I spanked my DD because she thought spitting in someone's face was hilarious.
I think it's telling that a parent would spank their child for playing...with a toy...OUTSIDE***GASP***! I mean, get off your butt, walk over to the child, take the whistle out of her hand and chuck it into the forest behind your 1.however-many-million dollar home! Spanking her for playing? That's crazy. EVen if youtold her a thousand times to stop blowing it, if you haven't taken it from her, put her in time out or again, my favorite, chucked to the ends of the earth so she'll never see it again...I don't think spanking was warranted in this circumstance. JMHO.
melodyscakes: I heard that they are making "Octomom: the musical" & that she has signed a deal with a European TV station to have her own reality show to document the kids milestones, not following them around 24/7, just the first's (Christmas, Birthdays, Halloweens etc)
back to Kate: After watching that clip of her & Maddie asking for water andd Kate getting a bottle, taking a sip & not giving Maddie any made my heart break. Mind you, Maddie isn't my favourite, but to deny or ignore your child's request for water is just appalling. I would die of thirst before I denied my kids water, even if was just a sip. There needs to be a child advocate involved, someone who can say :Let's postpone this interview so the kids can get a drink. As for the spanking, I have never hit my kids, but I have no views whether to do it or not. I was spanked as a child, and I turned out alright, but like Tita mentioned it was more for me doing something dangerous or harmful not annoying.
They (jon & kate) spent their 10 year anniversary apart. This is just sad and depressing.
I have concluded that they will get what the deserve. Payback is a b**ch.
You are right about that.
The past three weeks, there has been a mother that has really, really been upsetting me. At my kids' karate class, this mom berates her children and treats them like dirt. Basically, she has a 3 year old who she paid for the tuition and uniform, but he was scared of joining the class. He wanted a hug and to be held. The mom goes "No. I want nothing to do with you. Get away from me, I am dissappointed in you, I want NOTHING to do with you." Over and over again.
The first week I thought wow, what a B. But everyone does have bad days, and sometimes says things they don't mean, so I gave her the benefit of the doubt.
Next week, same thing. Saying those things to him over and over again. "I want nothing to do with you. GET OFF OF ME. Get away from me. I want nothing to do with you."
So that got my attention.
And then this gem this week. "If you don't get away from me, I am going to knock your head off. Get away from me. I want nothing to do with you."
I swear I almost turned around and told her "If you keep treating your kids this way, I'm going to knock YOUR head off." Then I thought she would be the type of call the police and say I was threatening her or whatever.
I am thisclose to calling CPS on this woman. Harsh, yes, but I honestly believe she is abusing her kids. (This week is her last chance before I involve the instructor and then if that doesn't end it, she is getting a nice home visit.) She is acting this way in public-what does she do at home? And who treats their children this way?
This boggles the mind-why would you treat your children like this? Children are the most wonderful, precious gift you could ever be given. What is this b****'s problem?
As I was telling some other friends about it: Her kids will one day leave and never come home. There is nothing but a nursing home, apple sauce, and the Price Is Right in this woman's future. I don't think Kate's future is all too different.
summer
that is an awful story, no wonder your disturbed by it 
especially to a 3 year old. at that age they are often insecure and clingy.
I liked your idea of mentioning it to the instructor.
and you're right about her future................ she'll be writing dear abby to complaine how her kid has no respect for her.
Some parents shouldn't be parents. I was the first to have kids out of my circle of friends. The best advice I got before having my kids was "you have to willing to give up the rest of your life for your kids". A bit of an extreme but to a degree it's true.
My kids have never given me any trouble (knocking on wood). I treat my kids with respect and in turn they respect me. My DS who is 11 still cuddles with me when we watch tv, my DD who is 15 gives me hugs and those are the things the make my day. I hope they will continue to do so even when they are older. I never had a good relationship with my mom until I was married and a mom of my own.
I think Kate's kids are going to treat the way she deserves to be treated. You get what you give. Maddie is already showing signs of being a prima-donna. I would like my kids to tell me we had a great day doing something without having to prod them like Kate does.
I would have started taunting that lady. She couldn't say I threatening her, but the same way a grown person feels they can demean a child because they're a child, is the same way I can demean you because you're a prick. Coming from an abusive home, you wouldn't imagine how desperate I was for someone to step in and help us, even if it was calling CPS out of suspiscion. My father surely wasn't going to call and say he was beating the tar out of us. Sometimes, you may be the only advocate they have.
Tita, I totally get that. That was what kept going through my mind-these kids are being treated terribly, her poor 3 year old was desperate for love from his mommy. Everyone around her just sits there, hearing it too, and no one does anything. It's hard to know what to do...
at the risk of getting my butt kicked by this mom, I'd say "here honey, I'll love on you" not really, that could get YOU into trouble.
wow. yeah, not every women on earth needs to be a mother.
Her kids will one day leave and never come home. There is nothing but a nursing home, apple sauce, and the Price Is Right in this woman's future. I don't think Kate's future is all too different.
(((sniff sniff))) Makes me want to squeeze my little boy and never let go of him. This whole thing is so sad.
summer, hearing that story makes my heart break. I don't have kids but I have a nephew and niece who mean the entire world to me and if anyone treats them like that or any kid for that matter... oh i have no idea what i would do. my DH is right, people need a license to have kids. it's not easy being parents and not everyone is meant to be one. I wish I could give that kid a hug
I wish I could give that kid a hug
Makes me want to squeeze my little boy and never let go of him. This whole thing is so sad.
Makes me want to call CPS, slap some sense into the mother and then hug the baby
I wish I could give that kid a hug
Makes me want to squeeze my little boy and never let go of him. This whole thing is so sad.
Makes me want to call CPS, slap some sense into the mother and then hug the baby
I'm with Tita..........any thing that involves children getting hurt just breaks my heart. Child abusers, whether it be physical, emotional or mental deserve to go away for a long time........and not in isolation in general population (jail) and let the other inmates deal out some punishment.
Big announcement tonight on Jon & Kate???? I wonder what it's going
to be?
Who thinks its divorce/separation?
Who thinks its just a ploy to grab viewers?
Who thinks they are calling the show quits?
I'm beginning to think this is all a huge ploy to boost ratings...........I bet it works too.
Even my DH who has never watched more then 30 minutes total of that show has the DVR set to record it. 
I read somewhere on-line that Jon is "looking for another house for himself".
I am putting all my money on the divorce. Kate has already found a lawyer.
heres my two cents on the issue, not that it matters one bit, but
If they feel they need to get a divorce, get it. I feel horrible for the children, but divorce hurts children no matter what size the family.
I am disgusted with Jon. yeah, Kate is a bitch. but he is running around with girls 10 years younger then himself acting like an ass. he is acting like a 22 year old. he seems to be forgetting that he has 8 children at home.
it pisses me off, maybe because that is how my first husband acted after we had our child, I grew up and became a mom, he wanted to play and cruise and be care free.
now I've got my panties in a wad... I wanted to add one more thing, Jon hated the show, didn't want to do the show, blah blah,,,, I wonder how much $$$$ from the show he thinks he needs in the divorce. and how would they seperate the money?
half and half? Kate you get half the money... to raise 8 children and put them though college... Jon you get the other half, buy yourself a BMW a new place and to party with all your girl friends
it will be interesting to watch
I just read online that they filed divorce papers this afternoon.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/22/gosselins-file-for-divorce/
Well, that was preictable...guess I won't tune in for the BIG shocker!
I was going to say I think it's just a ratings grabber just like the season opener til I read maryjsgirl's post about what she read. Should be interesting to see how all of this plays out. Like the rest of you, I feel so sorry for those poor kids. Even the bratty twins because they're just mirroring what they've seen and been taught.
I am putting all my money on the divorce. Kate has already found a lawyer.
heres my two cents on the issue, not that it matters one bit, but
If they feel they need to get a divorce, get it. I feel horrible for the children, but divorce hurts children no matter what size the family.
I am disgusted with Jon. yeah, Kate is a bitch. but he is running around with girls 10 years younger then himself acting like an ass. he is acting like a 22 year old. he seems to be forgetting that he has 8 children at home. it pisses me off, maybe because that is how my first husband acted after we had our child, I grew up and became a mom, he wanted to play and cruise and be care free.
now I've got my panties in a wad... I wanted to add one more thing, Jon hated the show, didn't want to do the show, blah blah,,,, I wonder how much $$$$ from the show he thinks he needs in the divorce. and how would they seperate the money?
half and half? Kate you get half the money... to raise 8 children and put them though college... Jon you get the other half, buy yourself a BMW a new place and to party with all your girl friends
it will be interesting to watch
That's exactly what I said this afternoon to my daughter! Everyone's talking about what a beeyotch Kate is, but Jon's the one who's shopping for one-bedroom apartments in Trump Tower. Some newscaster was saying "Where is he going to keep the kids in a one-bedroom aprartment?"as if he has any intention of having the kids at all. He just wants to play around, be a bachelor, and leave Kate to take care of the kids. What a loser.
i haven't read all 20 pages of this post so if i'm stepping on anyone's toes or repeating whatever has been said, please forgive me. but here's my 2 cents for what it's worth...
everyone can say what they want about what kate intentions are now with the show, but i honestly, 100% believe that the show started out with good intentions. call me naive, but i don't think that kate and jon wanted all this to happen to their family. now, i do think that they have continued the show so long after their marriage has crumbled just for the money. i also think that it was okay to start doing it for the money. i don't doubt that they seriously needed the help when the sextuplets were first born. but i think they have now accumulated enough to just stop. with that said, i love these kids! i think they are adorable and i have watched since the show started. i loved seeing them grow from babies to kids with real personalities of their own! (mady's personality isn't my favorite, but what can you expect with that mother?) if they end the show, i will definitely be sad to see the kids go, but i think it would be beneficial to the family in the long run. i don't think jon and kate would get back together because of it, because i think that's just over and done with. but i do think that kate would get off her high horse and realize no one cares about her. it was always about the kids. i have so, so, so much more to say, but this is a topic that can be talked about forever and i think i got my point across.
and about the comment of jon "running around with girls 10 years younger than he is..." first of all i will say: i don't agree with him running around with any girl of any age before they got divorced (they're not even officially divorced yet. the papers have just been drawn). but secondly, i don't think that the age of this "alleged mistress" is anything to balk about. he's 32. she's 23. can someone show me what part of this is awful and horrendous? i'll just say, my parents are 10 years apart, my grandparents were 20 years apart. and before anyone says how "different the times are" my brother and his girlfriend are 9 years apart. all the crazy comments about the age difference mean nothing and, to me, have no merit.
okay, NOW i'm done 
except, i wish the very best for these kids are their well-beings (though i don't think the show compromised that TOO much. i think they have and will grow into wonderful human beings.)
okay, now i'm REALLY done 
I missed the first 10 minutes of the show..did they make the big announcement yet?
Nevermind, this is so sad. I see the announcement is about to be made, and it's obvious what it is. I do have to say that I feel bad for Kate.
hmmm...he's the one that quit HIS job to be MR. MOM and made it possible for her to keep hers and gallivant all over the place on speaking engagments, business trips, etc. and then people are surprised he goes looking for someone that will be there for HIM!?!?!
considering how she basically treated him like a live-in nanny and not a spouse, I'm not the least surprised.
and as for the shared custody arrangement that was implied in the episode, Kate too will have to have a separate apartment, not just Jon.
Sadly, even tho' he has been the primary caregiver for the last 2 years, he will most likely end up on the outside looking in with only minimal time with the kids.
Ya know it's sad that couples don't realize what they're losing until it's lost.
How can they just destroy their family like that?
Give up the show, get REAL jobs and raise your kids together like a normal working class family.
They don't need a million dollar house and thousands of dollars an episode to raise a family of 8 kids. I'm really tired of hearing them say they do the show to give the kids what they need.
She's a nurse, he's in I.T., 2 good careers that can certainly support that family. Maybe not like they've gotten used to.........but what they've gotten used to has destroyed them.
What a very very sad situation.
i haven't read all 20 pages of this post so if i'm stepping on anyone's toes or repeating whatever has been said, please forgive me. but here's my 2 cents for what it's worth...
everyone can say what they want about what kate intentions are now with the show, but i honestly, 100% believe that the show started out with good intentions. call me naive, but i don't think that kate and jon wanted all this to happen to their family. now, i do think that they have continued the show so long after their marriage has crumbled just for the money. i also think that it was okay to start doing it for the money. i don't doubt that they seriously needed the help when the sextuplets were first born. but i think they have now accumulated enough to just stop. with that said, i love these kids! i think they are adorable and i have watched since the show started. i loved seeing them grow from babies to kids with real personalities of their own! (mady's personality isn't my favorite, but what can you expect with that mother?) if they end the show, i will definitely be sad to see the kids go, but i think it would be beneficial to the family in the long run. i don't think jon and kate would get back together because of it, because i think that's just over and done with. but i do think that kate would get off her high horse and realize no one cares about her. it was always about the kids. i have so, so, so much more to say, but this is a topic that can be talked about forever and i think i got my point across.
and about the comment of jon "running around with girls 10 years younger than he is..." first of all i will say: i don't agree with him running around with any girl of any age before they got divorced (they're not even officially divorced yet. the papers have just been drawn). but secondly, i don't think that the age of this "alleged mistress" is anything to balk about. he's 32. she's 23. can someone show me what part of this is awful and horrendous? i'll just say, my parents are 10 years apart, my grandparents were 20 years apart. and before anyone says how "different the times are" my brother and his girlfriend are 9 years apart. all the crazy comments about the age difference mean nothing and, to me, have no merit.
okay, NOW i'm done
except, i wish the very best for these kids are their well-beings (though i don't think the show compromised that TOO much. i think they have and will grow into wonderful human beings.)
okay, now i'm REALLY done
I think people are bringing up her age, because of his actions. Not, because there is an actual issue with the age difference. He is acting like he's going through some kind of mid-life crises with the sports cars, the bar hopping, the teeny bopper clothing, and the one bedroom bachelor pad. The young girlfriend ties all into it.
that is what I was talking about, the way he is acting. like HE is 22 instead of a 32 year old father of 8!
that was a very sad show. I do like the way that both parents said, that this was the kids house, it was bought for them and the parents will be the ones leaving when the other is visiting. could you imagine packing 8 kids every other weekend?
I could only watch this show tonight for a few minutes because it is just so darn sad. Tragic even-for the kids.
Yes, she is a b****. Yes, he is a cheater. But those poor, poor children! It's so weird-having that many kinds and then the marriage dissolving. What will happen to them?
I have a feeling that Kate will always be there-she will still be her horrible self, but she will be there. I could tell that this was harder on her than him.
I predict Jon will grow more and more distant. Just the way he said he was excited about this new chapter in his life. Yeah, he is looking forward to hanging with his 20 yr old coed and having his freedom back. He will disappear within a couple of years.
I admit.........I cried. It's sad to see a marriage dissolve like that. To the point where they aren't even communicating. Just sad.
Jon is looking into a place in NY in Trump Towers. He seemed to bring up his age "I'm 32, I'm young! I've got my whole life ahead of me". He didn't seem upset over this which makes me think that there is someone else that he is going to spending his time with.
Kate contradicted herself in one minute she say that she never expected this to happen "not in a million years" and then the next thing out of her mouth is that it was inevitable, that it was probably going to happen it was just a matter of when.
The first half hour of the show was just a big infomercial for that crooked house company (cute though).
Oh well. It will be interesting to see how long before they start bad-mouthing each other and Jon is with another woman out in public and not ducking for cover. Kate says she doesn't want to do it alone, I doubt that she would be alone for very long.
Still sad though............
Did anyone notice when he was talking about the "schedule" of them splitting time with the kids, and he tossed off some comment like "maybe I'll get a job offer, and that will change the schedule, I don't know." This guy has no intention of splitting the time equally. He wants to go off and play, and the first job he gets will suddenly make it "impossible" for him to meet his end of the bargain with time spent. That pissed me off, those kids just got an absentee father who's going to show up when he feels like it (or when they're filming so that he'll try to make himself look good.) 
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