So Disappointed

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babydbones Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 7:39pm
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i tried that chocolate mmf. the one i asked a few questions about today. well, it absolutely did NOT workicon_sad.gif i could cry right now i'm so frustrated with it. i don't know what to do. i was doing a test run for chocolate fondant on a cake cuz i have a wedding cake i have to make for july 14th and the bride wants chocolate fondant. and she's my best friend so i really wanna make her happy. well, the fondant just cracked all over the place. don't know if it was too much powder sugar or what. i didn't use all that was required either. i really don't wanna have to buy the chocolate fondant, cuz the only place around here that sells it, it cost 20 bucks for a 5 lb thing of it. altho, how much would i need for an 8in square and a 12 inch square cake? or does anyone know a really easy recipe??

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miriel Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 7:57pm
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Here's the Wilton chart for fondant amounts: http://www.wilton.com/wedding/makecake/fondant/fondantamounts.cfm

Based on that chart, 8" and 12" square cakes will need 108 oz or 6 3/4 lbs.

I can't help you with making your own fondant because I buy mine premade. If you decide to buy, Pettinice chocolate or ChocoPan taste great.

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jenncowin Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 8:03pm
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Have you tried kneading in some shortening? I know that when regualr MMF gets dry or cracks, this helps.

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JILBRY Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by miriel

Here's the Wilton chart for fondant amounts: http://www.wilton.com/wedding/makecake/fondant/fondantamounts.cfm

Based on that chart, 8" and 12" square cakes will need 108 oz or 6 3/4 lbs.

I can't help you with making your own fondant because I buy mine premade. If you decide to buy, Pettinice chocolate or ChocoPan taste great.




Where do you buy your fondant?
Thanks for the info.

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nechee Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 8:26pm
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I would try shortening. That really works for me when my MMF is too dry. When it is too dry it starts to crack. If you knead in some shortening that should cut down the dryness and make it more elastic for you. HTH

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Sugar_Plum_Fairy Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 9:49pm
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I, too, was going to suggest shortening. Give it a try before totally giving up on this batch. If that doesn't work, maybe a little corn syrup.

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miriel Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 9:55pm
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Where do you buy your fondant?
Thanks for the info.




I buy SatinIce (white, red, black) and Pettinice Noire (chocolate) from a local cake decorating store but you can get them online from many sources.

Here are a few:
From Country Kitchens: http://www.countrykitchensa.com/catalog/SearchResults.aspx?description=satin%20ice&page=-1

From Pfeil and Holing: http://www.cakedeco.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_main.html?p_catid=70&page=2

From Into the Oven: http://www.intotheoven.com/Fondant-Rolled-Fondant-5-lbs/c118_138_139/index.html

Fondx and ChocoPan are also good brands and taste good.

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babydbones Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 12:46am
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well, tried another recipe. still didn't work. don't get it. guess i'm buying it. where's the cheapest and best to get??

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Sugar_Plum_Fairy Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 1:29am
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Maybe the weather is influencing your MMF. Have you tried adjusting the amounts of confect. sugar and Crisco?

What about a bit of corn syrup? Did you try adding some of that? I'd hate to hear that you had to throw two batches away.

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msmanning2 Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 1:42am
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I used to have this problem with regular mmf. I have never made the chocolate kind. I use the this recipe from here on cc: http://www.cakecentral.com/cake_recipe-1949-1-Marshmallow-Fondant-MMF.html
I use a kitchen aid mixer for mine. I am not sure what you use to knead the mmf but really let it work in the mixer. I stop adding sugar and mixing when it is still a little sticky, meaning not really stiff, and let it sit for a few hours. Then I re-knead it with my hands completely covered in crisco. It seemed to work for me. I hope some of this information works/helps you. Oh I forgot to add, I use either almond extract or coconut extract to flavor it and I think it tastes pretty good.

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mqguffey Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 1:58am
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Pfeil & Holing ships really fast. The best deal is for 20 lbs. A lot more than you need but it's great and doesn't go bad. The Satin Ice chocolate tastes like fudge and rolls out SOOO easily.

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cakenutz Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 2:04am
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look in recipes for choco pan. I made it the other day it was delicious andwas easy to work. It was like a rolled out piece of fudge. I know the choco pan you can buy tastes really good and has a good stretch.

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Clypzilla Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 2:09am
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I hadn't heard about the corn syrup before. I'm about to try the mmf for the first time. Thanks for posting the suggestion.

I use shortening to soften my fondant and it works brilliantly.

Good luck on your efforts. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Sugar_Plum_Fairy Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 2:10am
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......Oh I forgot to add, I use either almond extract or coconut extract to flavor it and I think it tastes pretty good.




I just love using the coconut extract in the MMF. That or lemon or orange. They taste so good and fresh.

Heck, maybe I'm just in the mood for a Pina Colada. icon_lol.gif

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melysa Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 2:13am
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satin ice makes a really great dark chocolate fondant. www.intotheoven.com gives a great deal, and their shipipng is fast and cheap. i buy 20 lbs for 50 plus 11 shipping. the five lb is probably around 20 bucks or a little less, and the cool thing about it is that you can roll it out thinner than alot of fondants like mmf or wilton. for an 8 and 12 you would probably need less than the five lbs. look at the chart at www.satinfinefoods.com and it will tell you the amounts needed per size.

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beccakelly Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 2:16am
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Originally Posted by miriel

Here's the Wilton chart for fondant amounts: http://www.wilton.com/wedding/makecake/fondant/fondantamounts.cfm

Based on that chart, 8" and 12" square cakes will need 108 oz or 6 3/4 lbs.

I can't help you with making your own fondant because I buy mine premade. If you decide to buy, Pettinice chocolate or ChocoPan taste great.




the wilton chart is a big overestimate for me. when i've done cakes, i've never needed nearly as much as they suggest. i think you could get enough for an 8 and a 12 inch square easily from 5 lbs. i've done 6,8,10 squares and 8,10,12 rounds with less than 5 lbs of fondant. and i think the premade choc fondant looks much much nicer than the homemade. my choc mmf looks kinda streaky and not as rich as the store bought. so i say go for buying it! 20-25$ is very reasonable for 5 lbs of fondant. if you order it online, i like intotheoven.com. they have fast and reasonable shipping.

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melysa Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 2:42am
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[ i think the premade choc fondant looks much much nicer than the homemade. my choc mmf looks kinda streaky and not as rich as the store bought. .




thats a good point. here are two examples.

http://www.cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=gallery&file=displayimage&pid=676063 dark chocolate fondant (with a touch of black mixed in)

http://www.cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=gallery&file=displayimage&pid=127633
marbled choc mmf and vanilla fondant:

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Sugar_Plum_Fairy Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 3:03am
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[ i think the premade choc fondant looks much much nicer than the homemade. my choc mmf looks kinda streaky and not as rich as the store bought. .



thats a good point. here are two examples.

http://www.cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=gallery&file=displayimage&pid=676063 dark chocolate fondant (with a touch of black mixed in)

http://www.cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=gallery&file=displayimage&pid=127633
marbled choc mmf and vanilla fondant:




Wow, that really is a huge difference! Didn't think one would be able to see the difference so vividly.

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melysa Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 5:52am
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yeah, its a big difference visually + ... i used to make mmf all the time when i first starting doing cakes last year, and loved it compared to wiltons...but then i started using satin ice and honestly now, i cant stand mmf. its just too sweet, and i dont think it holds up to most grown up taste palettes....its more something a kid would eat. the reason i went for satin ice, was because i was going to do a big wedding cake and realized that i needed something that would appeal to adults- i think a wedding really needs a more sophisticated flavor on a cake....not marshmallows....leave those for smores at the campfire icon_smile.gif

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Ellistwins Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 6:19am
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I used to have this problem with regular mmf. I have never made the chocolate kind. I use the this recipe from here on cc: http://www.cakecentral.com/cake_recipe-1949-1-Marshmallow-Fondant-MMF.html
I use a kitchen aid mixer for mine. I am not sure what you use to knead the mmf but really let it work in the mixer. I stop adding sugar and mixing when it is still a little sticky, meaning not really stiff, and let it sit for a few hours. Then I re-knead it with my hands completely covered in crisco. It seemed to work for me. I hope some of this information works/helps you. Oh I forgot to add, I use either almond extract or coconut extract to flavor it and I think it tastes pretty good.




Do you use this to cover your cakes as normal fondant and would you say it taste better?

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melysa Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 6:28am
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Originally Posted by msmanning2

I used to have this problem with regular mmf. I have never made the chocolate kind. I use the this recipe from here on cc: http://www.cakecentral.com/cake_recipe-1949-1-Marshmallow-Fondant-MMF.html
I use a kitchen aid mixer for mine. I am not sure what you use to knead the mmf but really let it work in the mixer. I stop adding sugar and mixing when it is still a little sticky, meaning not really stiff, and let it sit for a few hours. Then I re-knead it with my hands completely covered in crisco. It seemed to work for me. I hope some of this information works/helps you. Oh I forgot to add, I use either almond extract or coconut extract to flavor it and I think it tastes pretty good.



Do you use this to cover your cakes as normal fondant and would you say it taste better?




it tastes like a thick marshmallow dough. yes it is used to cover cakes and or make decorations. it tastes WAY better than wilton fondant- but i dont think half as good as some of the brands out there. i love satin ice...and hear alot of positive comments on fondX

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Ellistwins Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 6:42am
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Originally Posted by melysa

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Originally Posted by msmanning2

I used to have this problem with regular mmf. I have never made the chocolate kind. I use the this recipe from here on cc: http://www.cakecentral.com/cake_recipe-1949-1-Marshmallow-Fondant-MMF.html
I use a kitchen aid mixer for mine. I am not sure what you use to knead the mmf but really let it work in the mixer. I stop adding sugar and mixing when it is still a little sticky, meaning not really stiff, and let it sit for a few hours. Then I re-knead it with my hands completely covered in crisco. It seemed to work for me. I hope some of this information works/helps you. Oh I forgot to add, I use either almond extract or coconut extract to flavor it and I think it tastes pretty good.



Do you use this to cover your cakes as normal fondant and would you say it taste better?



it tastes like a thick marshmallow dough. yes it is used to cover cakes and or make decorations. it tastes WAY better than wilton fondant- but i dont think half as good as some of the brands out there. i love satin ice...and hear alot of positive comments on fondX




I'm gonna try out the recipe. Here we only get/use one brand Sugarpaste/Plastic icing (i sometimes get confused with your terms). But although my kids loves the taste, kids usually don't like it and seeing i'm at this stage more into kiddies cakes i might want to try this out and do some costing on it.

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melysa Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 6:54am
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it is fairly inexpensive and easy to make. add flavoring and colors to the melted marshmallows and mix thoroughly before adding the sugar to avoid lumps. have fun with it!

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Ellistwins Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 7:17am
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can i mix it with the kneading hook of my electric mixer?

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Sugar_Plum_Fairy Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 11:33am
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can i mix it with the kneading hook of my electric mixer?




I've read that people do that, so I did try it and it works. But I've also used my regular paddle (on my KA) and that works too. (Either way, remember to grease up the one you choose to use with liberal amounts of shortening.) At some point, no matter what, you will need to kneed it by hand.

HTH

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Ellistwins Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 11:54am
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I'll get back on this one as soon as i've tried it. THanks.
Haven't tried the chocolate one though.

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TandTHarrell Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 12:12pm
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Pfeil & Holing ships really fast. The best deal is for 20 lbs. A lot more than you need but it's great and doesn't go bad. The Satin Ice chocolate tastes like fudge and rolls out SOOO easily.



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Yes I agree

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OhMyGoodies Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 12:22pm
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Saving this post to refer to later when I need this stuff lol Wanted to pipe in my thanks for the links icon_wink.gif

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tnuty Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 12:31pm
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I get the Pfeil & Holing and I would never get any thing else.. They ship like overnight... and taste great best value.. Its worth spending the money. You will be able to keep the extra for another cake. By the time your done spending time and money on all those other recipes you could have just bought it and saved your self time and hastle... to me its just worth it..

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msmanning2 Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 12:38pm
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I do use it to cover the cakes and think it tastes good with the almond almond/coconut extract. I can say it is MUCH better than the Wilton. I can't speak for the other purchased fondants as I haven't tried them. I like the MMF because it is pretty easy and cheap to make. I have heard the purchased fondants are quite tasty though. I have a cake supply store down the road that sells Satin Ice and ChocoPan. I may have to give them a try.

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