Should I Issue A Warning..........

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yummymummycakes Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:08am
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I have just made a vanilla cake laced with butterscotch liquer, filled and frosted with chocolate ganache. Absolutely divine........... icon_lol.gifthumbs_up.gif

However when you eat the cake you can really taste the butterscotch liquer (in a good way icon_biggrin.gif )

However I read a link somewhere on here that you would need to cook something for 3 hours to cook the alcohol out. icon_cry.gif

Due to our licencing laws in Australia, our P platers must have a zero blood alcohol content.

So does it really cook out earlier or not, or do I play it safe and issue a 'warning' with my cakes? icon_redface.gif

I think I should so the younger generation can at least make an informed decision, however some other relatives think I am taking it to seriously. icon_eek.gificon_cry.gif

I also do a bourboun and chocolate and creme de menthe and chocolate cake. icon_razz.gif

Thank you all in advance.

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blessBeckysbaking Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:15am
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i dont see where a warring would hute better safe then sorry later

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Mencked Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:28am
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I would let them know--also, let us know your recipes for the cakes mentioned--They sound devine!

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MikeRowesHunny Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:31am
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Tricky one! How much are you putting in the whole cake? I would think a slice would have minimal content and it's not like you're lacing it after it's cooked (like my rich fruit cakes - those really should come with an alcohol warning!). I would think that you could get more 'drunk' by taking some medicines! Do what you feel comfortable with.

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korkyo Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:34am
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What's a "P plater"?

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Incognito Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:46am
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What's a "P plater"?




A probationary driver, have to place a sign with a P on it in the front & back window of the car to alert others that they are inexperienced. They have to have them up for 2 years and have restricted driving conditions. Im pretty sure that where I live, its 0.02% but Im not sure

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lovely Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:46am
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In australia we have L platers (learner liscence where driver needs an open liscence driver in passenger seat) then you get your Provisional's (P plater) and there are restrictions on driving as in 0% alcohol and then an open liscence where the restrictions are lifted and the blood alcohol limit is 0.05%. Depending on the state in australia depends on how long you have your P's for and whether or not the P plate displayed on your car for other drivers to be aware a newbie is driving.

LOL sorry for such a long answer. I would let the person know there is alcohol in the cake but I'm pretty sure it will be mostly cooked out.
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yummymummycakes Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:48am
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Sorry icon_redface.gif should have explained what a P plater is.

In Australia you must have your learners (L) permit for 6 months and must have a licenced driver with you at all times.

A P plater is a probabtionary driver or a person who has just got their licence. You are on your P plates for 3 years and must have a zero blood alcohol level or you will lose your licence and recieve hefty fines.

I substitute all the water content in a cake with the alcohol. icon_surprised.gificon_biggrin.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_wink.gif Works for either a mix or scrath cake.

Guaranteed to put a icon_biggrin.gif on your face.

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lovely Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:51am
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Originally Posted by korkyo

What's a "P plater"?



A probationary driver, have to place a sign with a P on it in the front & back window of the car to alert others that they are inexperienced. They have to have them up for 2 years and have restricted driving conditions. Im pretty sure that where I live, its 0.02% but Im not sure




I just looked and that is so true. Thats pretty cool. I can hear my daughter wishing envy for that in QLD.
lol

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Incognito Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:56am
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I cant believe you have to have a 0% Blood alcohol reading! That is so unrealistic and even unacheivable! I would hate to think that a P plater could get into trouble for having cough syrup or cake with alcohol in it!! At least with 0.02% there is some leeway!

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jmt1714 Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 12:04pm
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Personally I think a 0% blood alcohol content should apply for all drivers at all times. Totally achievable - if you are the driver, you don't drink. IMHO, of course.

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Hippiemama Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 12:05pm
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If the law is 0%, perhaps a warning is in order. Some might remain in the cake and you don't want them getting in trouble for just having a slice of cake, yummy as it sounds.

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Incognito Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 12:17pm
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Personally I think a 0% blood alcohol content should apply for all drivers at all times. Totally achievable - if you are the driver, you don't drink. IMHO, of course.




But there are alot of things that contain alcohol that isnt actually a 'drink'. I think it would be very unfair on a driver to be charged for having cough syrup

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jmt1714 Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 12:22pm
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2 tsps of cough syrup isn't going to do much to your blood alcohol content, but how do you define fair? if there is any chance that something you have taken raises your blood alcohol, then don't drive. I just don't see the problem. Not trying to raise any issues here, this is my personal opinion. I understand that others may disagree. i just don't think it is that hard to comply with a 0% level.

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jesaltuve Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 12:27pm
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i FOUND SOMETHING ON THE WEB ABOUT THE ALCOHOL THAT REMAINS AFTER COOKING/BAKING. fOR A CAKE THAT BAKES 1HOUR, 25% OF ALCOHOL REMAINS. IF YOU FEEL YOUR CAKE IS: "Guaranteed to put aicon_smile.gif on your face.", THEN GO AHEAD AND ISSUE THE WARNING!!!

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jmt1714 Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 12:51pm
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http://homecooking.about.com/library/archive/blalcohol12.htm

the link is to an USDA alcohol burn off chart based on times and cooking methods.

Just want to add that even vanilla extract has a high alcohol content, but all of this has much more to do with when and how much alcohol is added. Vanilla flavoring in my chocolate cake is a wayyyyyy different animal than my fruitcakes and rum cakes which are soaked with alcohol one or more times after baking. But I still think a slice of cake is rarely going to have enough alcohol to affect blood alcohol levels. But then again, it could be Cheryl has a LOT more fun with her cakes . . . lol icon_smile.gif

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yummymummycakes Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 3:44pm
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Oh I definately have a lot more fun with my cakes icon_rolleyes.gificon_redface.gificon_biggrin.gif

The majority of cakes I do are fruit cakes as it gives me more time to pace the decorating for them. icon_smile.gif

And everyone knows how much brandy, rum and sherry I go through at Christmas time!!!

The bottle shop see's me coming.......lol icon_biggrin.gif


I soak all the fruit and then drizzle when it comes out of the oven and then brush everyday for a week!!!!! You can smell them a mile away icon_rolleyes.gificon_eek.gif

Might actually ring the local police station tomorrow and check with them icon_surprised.gif Maybe I could take down a chocolate bourban cake and they could breath test themselves icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

I am pretty sure that you can actually lose your licence just for cough mixture icon_evil.gif

But I sure dont want someone getting a fine because of my cakes icon_cry.gificon_cry.gif ......... as good as they are icon_biggrin.gif

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dolfin Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 3:54pm
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Issue the warning, along with the P plater you may have people in recovery and as some one else said better safe than sorry.

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weirkd Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 4:01pm
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Even if its 25% alchohol remaining, that is for the entire cake. At party's no one eats the entire thing, unless they have an issue!! You figure if its a wedding cake that feeds 150 people, then their not going to get even 1% of it.
As far as the laws there, I think America would have a lot less deaths over it if they took it as seriously. Too many people die over stupid people that think only drinking a couple and getting behind the wheel is ok.
In MD they have a partial permit for beginners and they have to have over 60 hrs of driving in different conditions before they can get their restricted license. I think that is a good thing. I come from CT where you just turn 16 and go take your test and get it. So many kids growing up died in automobile accidents. Ok, Im done ranting!

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randipanda Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 5:44pm
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The experiment might be fun, and the cops would enjoy it, maybe be lenient with you if you ever miss a stop sign or something. (They posted a new stop sign right near my parents' house where I lived for 15 years, I am so afraid to visit them- I know I'm going to forget it is there now and miss it.)

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jesaltuve Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 5:47pm
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CHERYL, YOU ARE TOO FUNNY!!!
i'D LIKE TO TRY ONE OF YOUR CAKES icon_biggrin.gif ! THEY SOUND REALLY GOOD AND LIKE A REALLY GOOD TIME! icon_cool.gif

SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE SOAKING, WHAT SHOULD I DO TO GET A REALLY MOIST SOAK IN MY CAKE? ESPECIALLY WITH A RUM CAKE FOR EXAMPLE (NO FRUIT), TO GET IT REAL MOIST THROUGH AND THROUGH?
bRUSH OR POUR OR...?

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breelaura Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 5:57pm
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Just do something fun with the warning - like someone above said, guaranteed to put a smile on your face, etc. Honestly, though, it sounds from your description like they oughta be able to tell from the smell! (In a good way.) I try to make people aware of things like that, just as a general matter. As mentioned above, there may be some who avoid alcohol b/c they're in recovery or just as a personal choice. It's not a big deal at all, in my opinion, just like folks to know what they're consuming.
When I make stuff for parties in general I try to give some info - the name of the concoction on a card, etc., so people know if it has meat, no meat, dairy, etc.

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jastaus Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 6:00pm
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"2 tsps of cough syrup isn't going to do much to your blood alcohol content, but how do you define fair? if there is any chance that something you have taken raises your blood alcohol, then don't drive. I just don't see the problem. Not trying to raise any issues here, this is my personal opinion. I understand that others may disagree. i just don't think it is that hard to comply with a 0% level"

2 tsps of cough syrup will register if it was taken shortly before being asked to blow for a breathalizer. As will even using mouth wash recently. My grandfather got in big trouble as a truck driver once because he had just left a wash station and happened to hit a check point (where all truck drivers must be tested) 0% is just way to strict if you ask me.

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dolfin Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 6:02pm
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When I make stuff for parties in general I try to give some info - the name of the concoction on a card, etc., so people know if it has meat, no meat, dairy, etc. quote from breelaura

good idea, never know who is going to be allergic to something.

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shooterstrigger Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 6:04pm
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I would let people know. A lot of people won't consume any alcohol for religious reasons. I hate it when people try to tell me it cooks out. Maybe it does but on principle I still won't eat it.

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OhMyGoodies Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 6:08pm
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I would go ahead and make the call to warn people icon_smile.gif I would advise them at time of ordering as well as at time of delivery and also maybe include a small line on your sticker (if you place a sticker on your boxes) that states "may contain alcohol" or what have you. It's better to be safe then to get tons of complaints later. And I for one would like to be aware of what my child may consume at a party in which we've been invited but had no idea the cake ordered was made with such a high level of alcohol...

Have you ever considered using something other then alcohol? It just doesn't seem right to me to use that much liquer in a cake of all things...

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breelaura Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 6:20pm
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Oh, it seems perfectly right to me! icon_smile.gif I'm just in favor of making sure folks know about it so they can choose accordingly, and use common sense, as I'm sure Cheryl does. It doesn't sound like this cake is going to a kiddie party or similarly alcohol-inappropriate event.

And I wouldn't even begin to know how to make a fruitcake without large amounts of alcohol.

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torki Posted 25 Jun 2007 , 11:16pm
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I would let them know the alcohol content. I put alcohol in my cakes and use it in my simple syrup. I started to adding a card with a brief description of my cakes.... After one delivery I had a regular customer ring me and go nuts ... due to religious reasons she is not allowed alcohol.... the cake I had just delivered was for a church function icon_surprised.gificon_redface.gif .... I now forewarn about the alcohol...... lesson learnt....... minus one customer!!! icon_smile.gif

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yummymummycakes Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 2:55am
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No, the cake is not going to a kiddie party icon_eek.gif although in the case of my kids it might make them sleep icon_lol.gif (just joking)

And I only starting playing around with the liquers because of a post put up on CC for 'Top Shelf Cakes'..... didnt realise they would be such a hit with the adults. icon_rolleyes.gif

I have decided to put a sticker on the boxes stating whether the cake contains alcohol or not for safety sake. icon_biggrin.gif

But for the purpose of the exercise the local police station that I have done events for has agreed to be taste test dummies icon_wink.gif and do breath tests at various intervals to gauge how the alcohol actually would affect someone. icon_biggrin.gif
I have selected one male and one female officer (off duty of course) icon_cool.gif

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, the rest threatened to lock me up if I didnt give them cake also. icon_rolleyes.gif Hmm ............ Might be able to catch up on some study time or sleep icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

Will keep you posted on the results

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flavaz scoop shop Posted 26 Jun 2007 , 3:10am
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I don't see where the warning would hurt. I would issue one just to be on the safe side thumbs_up.gif

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