Valli_War Posted 21 May 2009 , 2:13am

I have used wires on two cakes that I have made so far. (I am a newbie) In my daughter's Dora cake , I stuck the wires to a ball of fondant which was kept hidden in the volcano. For my second one's Pooh cake, I inserted the wire into the lollipop stick. It will go in if you put some pressure exactly at the center where there is a small hole. You don't have to insert it completely, just enough that it is supported. Insert the lollipop stick into the cake. You should make sure these sticks are just to the surface of the cake. It worked great for my bees in that cake.

HTH.

Pat317 Posted 21 May 2009 , 5:51am

WOW! Thank you all for the important information!

sara91 Posted 21 May 2009 , 6:23am

You can purchase wire that is made for this purpose from Cake decorating stores.

Do not use craft wire or wire from hardware. They would not make that wire food safe.

There is some good information for Australians here on wires in cakes

http://www.cakesandmore.org/blog/2008/12/a-guide-to-wires-in-cakes/

For those of you worried about toxicity in your homes. Stop using all those products and open your windows. The average home is more toxic than an industrial workspace thanks to all our 'cleaning products'.

Cakepro Posted 21 May 2009 , 6:34am

Thank you for the link.

Unfortunately, I have never once seen ANY wire sold to cake decorators as FOOD SAFE WIRE here in the US. The cake supply stores in my city sell regular floral wire.

I appreciate this paragraph, taken from the link you provided:

"The wire used is a wire that has been specifically manufactured for the purpose of CAKE DECORATING. ie. Flower Wire (NOT hardware store wire or scrapbooking wire - it must be wire that is specifically designed for Cake Decorating)."

This is so true. Simply because a wire is made of copper or stainless steel does not necessarily mean that it is pure copper or SS. It may have other metals in it that would render the wire unsafe.

I'm erring on the side of caution and not exposing my friends, family, and clients to ANY wire. Straws, posey picks, flower spikes, and lollipop sticks are all easy, inexpensive, and safe alternatives. icon_smile.gif

bakermommy4 Posted 21 May 2009 , 6:46am

thanks for the info...great thread

sara91 Posted 21 May 2009 , 6:47am

Yes, it is better to be safer than sorry. You would not want a wire to be left in accidently by the reception venue staff when cutting and serving the cake. Same goes for all that inedible cake bling that people like to use, beads, sequins, etc

JaimeAnn Posted 21 May 2009 , 7:27pm

I still put every wire in a coffee stirrer even SS or Copper. A lot of these products aren't manufactured here and other countries have different regulations on what materials can be used . Besides I think when the customer cuts the cake and starts taking out the wires it looks more professional, clean and safe. I wouldn't want to pay good money for a cake and see bare metal wires stuck in it. I also wipe the straws down with clear vanilla extract because the alcohol in it sterilizes the straw before inserting.

I agree better to err on the side of safety!

Peridot Posted 22 May 2009 , 3:05am

What are posey picks - tooth picks? I tried finding them on Global Sugar and was not successful.

What are flower spikes? Those green plastic tubes where you put fresh flowers in and add water?

Sorry don't mean to sound so stupid.

__Jamie__ Posted 22 May 2009 , 3:09am

Damnit. icon_mad.gif I suppose that left over chicken wire from my coop project is outta the question then, eh?
























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Cakepro Posted 22 May 2009 , 3:41am
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Originally Posted by Peridot

What are posey picks - tooth picks? I tried finding them on Global Sugar and was not successful.

What are flower spikes? Those green plastic tubes where you put fresh flowers in and add water?

Sorry don't mean to sound so stupid.




"Posey picks" is another term for flower spikes, which are these:

They are NOT the green tubes designed for holding fresh floral stems in water, which are not food-safe.

TexasSugar Posted 22 May 2009 , 4:44am

You know when I think about wires in cake I think about the OKSAS rules and how you can't have any wires sticking in your cake.

I'm glad you started this thread because there are times we use items that are not intended to be used with food products with out really thinking about it.

So far when I have wired flowers for a cake topper, I put the wires in to a ball of fondant or gumpaste.

SHogg Posted 4 Jun 2009 , 4:48pm

Is there a food safe wire you can buy? I've never used wire in cake, but eventually I might need to depending on the design. I'm curious though, I think very highly of Pink Cake Box Cakes and her designs seem to use a lot of fondant decorations on wire. In this one particular cake you can see that the wires are definately stuck right into the cake, no straws. So I am assuming she uses a food safe wire and I'd love to know where to get it. Any ideas?

SHogg Posted 4 Jun 2009 , 4:50pm

http://www.pinkcakebox.com/images/cake1041.jpg

this is the photo of the cake, i was trying to post the image but i couldn't get it to work

Win Posted 4 Jun 2009 , 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by weirkd

I swear, there is no wonder why there is so much cancer and other illness in the world. It seems like they stick the most toxic chemicals in things they really shouldnt. I had just received an email from a friend warning not to use the swifter wetjet if you have animals or pets because it contains antifreeze! That means if your baby is crawling on what you think is your clean floor, or your dog walks across the floor, then cleans his paws or you know babys put everything in their mouth. And voila, they can get poisoned. Its just sad that simple things in life have to be be thought twice before using.
Ive always been a drinking straw advocate, but waiting to hear what kind of toxic plastic they use to make those next!
Sad!




This is false information...
http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/swiffer.asp

I have pets and checked it out when the emails started flying. icon_biggrin.gif

loriana Posted 4 Jun 2009 , 4:59pm
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I bet this is a wake-up call for a lot of people. thumbs_up.gif Thanks




Thanks Candy and Cakepro! It sure is for me!!! I really had no idea! icon_surprised.gif

imartsy Posted 5 Jun 2009 , 5:20pm

Thanks for posting this - it's exactly what I needed to know. When picking out wire, what wire do you use? Do you go to the jewelry section? Is ther a specific brand or something? I want to do something similar to what is shown in that Pink Box Cake photo........ but I wasn't sure where to begin with trying to find wire and then how do you keep it from "sagging" under the weight of the fondant?

SHogg Posted 5 Jun 2009 , 5:36pm

I was just on Lindy Smith's website. You can pre-order her new Cake Jewelry DVD. She also sells an extensive line of wires that she uses for her designs. Some really neat colored wires too. Many of her cakes have the wire sticking out the top, BUT since I have not seen her DVD or any of her cakes close up I do not know if she sticks the wires right into the cake or uses some sort of straw method. And I'd be curious to know if her wires are 'food-safe'?
Here's the link to the wires in her online store:
http://www.lindyscakes.co.uk/OnlineShop-Wires.htm

PinkZiab Posted 5 Jun 2009 , 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by SHogg

Is there a food safe wire you can buy? I've never used wire in cake, but eventually I might need to depending on the design. I'm curious though, I think very highly of Pink Cake Box Cakes and her designs seem to use a lot of fondant decorations on wire. In this one particular cake you can see that the wires are definately stuck right into the cake, no straws. So I am assuming she uses a food safe wire and I'd love to know where to get it. Any ideas?




I did my internship at Pink Cake Box and Anne uses standard floral wire (the type that comes bagged in 18" lengths, from the craft store), and yes they are stuck straight in the cake.

SHogg Posted 5 Jun 2009 , 6:07pm

Thank you so much PinkZiab!!!! That's awsome to know, I have seen them in the store.

Cakepro Posted 5 Jun 2009 , 11:14pm
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Originally Posted by SHogg

Thank you so much PinkZiab!!!! That's awsome to know, I have seen them in the store.




SHogg ~ please go back and read the very first post in this thread. Those are exactly the wires you DO NOT stick into cakes.

SHogg Posted 6 Jun 2009 , 11:58am

So after reading the thread I think it will be best just to err on the side of caution and use straws for wires. I have never used that design of decorations on wires anyway, probably won't unless someone specifically asks for it, and then i will tell them about the straws. Thanks again for everyone's input on this.

springlakecake Posted 24 Jun 2009 , 11:21am

Here is my question! So I was thinking of using wire for the first time and I thought I would stick them into a coffee stirrer. when the customer removes the wire, does the coffee stirrer stay in the cake? I mean do they have to be digging around in there trying to remove all the stirrers? I am worried the cake will be a mess by the time everything is disassembled. icon_eek.gif

salsaman42 Posted 24 Jun 2009 , 11:42am

what if you were to encase the exposed wire/stem in hot glue, let cool, then insert into cake? Havn't done it, just an ides after reading this post.

PinkZiab Posted 24 Jun 2009 , 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by salsaman42

what if you were to encase the exposed wire/stem in hot glue, let cool, then insert into cake? Havn't done it, just an ides after reading this post.




That doesn't sound food safe in the least... I wouldn't want the hot glue IN the cake. You could probably do the same idea but use melted chocolate... I've heard of some people doing that.

djs328 Posted 24 Jun 2009 , 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by merissa

Here is my question! So I was thinking of using wire for the first time and I thought I would stick them into a coffee stirrer. when the customer removes the wire, does the coffee stirrer stay in the cake? I mean do they have to be digging around in there trying to remove all the stirrers? I am worried the cake will be a mess by the time everything is disassembled. icon_eek.gif




You could pipe melted chocolate into the straw to hold the wire in there. Then when they pull the wire out, the straw comes with it. I've put 2-3 wires into 1 straw, (see my gymnastics cake) so less 'holes' in the cake. HTH!

marsmellow Posted 13 Jul 2009 , 4:21am

How about wrapping them in plastic wrap?

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