I'm looking for my old cakes here for reference and not finding them so I'm adding it now. This was a cake for my friend/Wilton Instructor's birthday a few years back. I found that Fondarific was easier to work with for the ruffles. I cut 2 circles, ruffled them, pinched them together & then had to snip them. Next time I may use a 12 tip & put a hole in the middle. VERY time consuming!! I wanted to cover the whole bottom cake but ran out of time.