Ok, I seem to be a bit slow. I have said over and over NO MORE Vehicles. And what do I do, another one. Each time I get a hair better but there are always major issues. I was going along ok on this and tried to get the front loader done and make it ahead of time but it just didnt work. I ended up starting a new one with the customer standing there. I ended up doing foamcore, fondant and poster board to get it done. :-( Any helpful hints from one of you masters would be great ;-) TFL