Edna,
I understand how to measure for the length of the cone when you are using a circle cutter as seen in your video. But what do you measure when you use a JEM - 5 petal cutter like a size 80 or 90? How tall should the cones be and how fat at the base. I know they have a little cone pictures on the cutters but that is very skinny.
Thanks.
I was watching the art of cake decorating on "WE" tv and long skewers were were also used.
BJNZ, the height of your rose cone should be equal to the width of the petal.
So, make a rose cone and hold it sideways up the one of the petals on your 5-petal cutter. The rose base should be as tall as the petal is wide.
Don't worry about how fat the base is. As long as it is a teardrop shape, it will be fine. 
I don't go by the sizes of the cones they show on the JEM 5-petal cutters.
Dessert Diva-- I just made a bunch of cherry blossoms for a cake, and I used stamens as the centers, but I put them through the wet gumpaste flowers and just bunched the petals up around the stamens. It sounds like you might have to cut some down to size and attach them with royal icing or something if the gumpaste has hardened.
I used 4 or 5 stamens in the middle of each, you don't have to use a ton of them. They look really pretty when they're done.
Edna,
I understand how to measure for the length of the cone when you are using a circle cutter as seen in your video. But what do you measure when you use a JEM - 5 petal cutter like a size 80 or 90? How tall should the cones be and how fat at the base. I know they have a little cone pictures on the cutters but that is very skinny.
Thanks.
From the center of the 5 petal flower, to 1/4 inch below the highest part of the cutter... Is almost like when you make a buttercream one. It should look kind of like a Hershey kiss.
Edna
Dessert Diva-- I just made a bunch of cherry blossoms for a cake, and I used stamens as the centers, but I put them through the wet gumpaste flowers and just bunched the petals up around the stamens. It sounds like you might have to cut some down to size and attach them with royal icing or something if the gumpaste has hardened.
I used 4 or 5 stamens in the middle of each, you don't have to use a ton of them. They look really pretty when they're done.
Thanks costumeczar - originally that was what I was going to do but I have 95 of them...that's a lot of stamens. I think I'll try royal icing. Live and learn, eh....Thanks for answering!
I am so sorry I was unable to shoot a few more pics for those of you who are interested. A cake (4 cakes, actually) ended up sucking much more of my time away than I anticipated (story of my life). And then I accidentally crushed some of my bow loops, and hadn't made extras, etc etc .
Yay - I am now cake-free for the weekend! I do like Friday due dates. 
Unfortunately, the last time I offended the site owners, they deleted all of my uploaded photos (some of which had hundreds of favorites and appeared in the Most Popular Photos on the homepage). 
Even more unfortunately, I am horrible about not backing up my computer, and many of those photos are on a hard drive in which Windows has had a fatal stroke and is even unable to be read when inserted into an external enclosure. The data will have to be recovered by a professional data recovery service, $cha-ching$. 
I will probably upload a few recent cakes, but I'm not investing a bunch of time in uploading and providing detailed descriptions and instructions on all of them again.
Hey Cakepro, I have a question for you: Now when I make my roses I use the five petal cutter as well, but this weekend I bought three lacy leaves molds, small, medium and large. The gal I bought them from told me she makes roses from them. Now I've been doing roses from the five petal cutter for so long (which has the petals all attached) I'm wondering how would you make a rose with the individual petals (it's been so long I forgot how to do it!) 
When I make the roses using the five petal cutter the last row I use has the individual petals but I'm wondering about the inner rows. How would you do it?
Anyone have a suggestion on sizes to start with for the JEM 5-petal cutters? The range of the cutters they offer is pretty wide....I can figure which to use for small or large roses, but what about an 'average - medium' rose? Any recommendations? Also which size of calyx do you guys use? Last question, which brand of ball tool do you use or recommend?
Anyone have a suggestion on sizes to start with for the JEM 5-petal cutters? The range of the cutters they offer is pretty wide....I can figure which to use for small or large roses, but what about an 'average - medium' rose? Any recommendations? Also which size of calyx do you guys use? Last question, which brand of ball tool do you use or recommend?
I have all the sizes. Every rose needs at least 2 different sizes of cutters, so if you are making different size of roses then you need a few of them.
I do love them. The bigger and mediums are the most I use.
As for a ball tool..get a metal one. Those are awesome.
Edna
I was wondering about the 2 different sizes...makes sense.... how much of a difference between the 2? One size difference? 2 sizes?? I've watched your videos... maybe I just missed that part..
If you are using the 5 petals cutters it would be the size you choose and the the next size. In a separate petal cutter is basically the same thing..
Edna
Hi Eme,
I got your PM and have written a lengthy response, but need to drag out my box of GP cutters and match up the calyx cutters to the most commonly-used JEM and FMM cutters I use so you have actual part numbers.
I do not use 2 cutters per rose. I use one cutter from start to finish. Everybody has different ways of doing things, so don't feel you absolutely HAVE to have 2 cutters per rose. You will choose what you like best as you gain experience making the roses.
After Mass and dinner, I will get those part numbers for you.
and wasn't sure my PM went thru... want to order so I can work on roses for a wedding cake ... I'll check back this evening. Sorry this took so long. Last night I kept getting that "Server Maintenance" page, then Firefox wouldn't connect to CC, and when I tried to navigate to this page through Internet Explorer, my browser page got hijacked by one of those damn ads (which I have blocked in Firefox) and then my computer froze...so I went to sleep.
Here is a compilation of the various cutters I use.
The roses are sitting on a 10" cardboard cake circle for size reference. (Larger image here: http://www.buttercreamdreams.com/images/cutters.jpg)
The small rose, about the size of a golf ball, is made with a simple pink cutter set that comes in the Wilton Course 3 student kit and is also sold separately as the "Wilton Rose Bouquet Cutter Set." (See here for a pic of some quickie roses, without calyxes, I put together for a small display for the classroom: http://www.buttercreamdreams.com/images/wilton_c3_roses.jpg)
The 2nd rose from the left is made using one of the larger (3rd from the largest, I think) 6-petal cutters that is sold as the "Wilton Nesting Blossom Cookie Cutter Set." Again, quick and easy, and you get 6 petals per cutout. Makes for some really quickie roses if you're in a time crunch.
The third rose from the left was made using FMM's 75mm cutter. I love those cutters because they have a sharp point in the center of each petal. This is the next-to-the-largest cutter they make. I pair it with a 65mm FMM calyx cutter, and this is the most common size I make when using the FMM cutters.
The rose on the right is made using JEM's largest 5-petal cutter (110 mm size). I use this one cutter from start to finish and it produces a pretty big rose.
I hope this gives some idea of the different kinds of cutters you can use and a size reference for some commonly used sizes of cutters.
Cakepro,
THANK YOU for all your time (and frustration) in getting this together. This will help immensely!! 
These were about the sizes I was looking at, just wanted to have a knowledgeable 2nd opinion ... always second guessing myself. Off to order now...
But wait, there's more!
Here are the FMM calyx cutter sizes that I use with the FMM and JEM 5-petal cutters:
FMM calyx cutter CX6 (70 mm) goes well with JEM 110 and 100 mm 5-petal cutters and FMM ROP9 (90 mm).
FMM calyx cutter CX5 (55 mm) goes well with JEM 90 and 80 mm 5-petal cutters and FMM ROP8 (75 mm) and FMM ROP7 (65 mm).
FMM calyx cutter CX4 (45 mm) goes well with JEM 60 and 50 mm 5-petal cutters and FMM ROP7 (55 mm), but the FMM calyx cutter CX3 (35mm I think - I no longer had the package for that one) also works well with the FMM ROP7.
Hey Cakepro, I have a question for you: I'm wondering how would you make a rose with the individual petals (it's been so long I forgot how to do it!)
When I make the roses using the five petal cutter the last row I use has the individual petals but I'm wondering about the inner rows. How would you do it?
Hi Bobwonderbuns,
I don't mess with doing any of the inner petals as individual petals, unless I'm trying to get a really tight whirl with the first three petals after the rosebud, and of course to do that last row. Sorry I couldn't help you more, but the 5-petal cutter saves me time, so I'm not motivated to do them all individually.
A little trick that I came up with to help me convert a 5-petal cutout to individual petals is to use a calyx cutter. It's a really quick way to get 5 individual petals with just two cuts. 
BJNZ, the height of your rose cone should be equal to the width of the petal.
So, make a rose cone and hold it sideways up the one of the petals on your 5-petal cutter. The rose base should be as tall as the petal is wide.
Don't worry about how fat the base is. As long as it is a teardrop shape, it will be fine.
I don't go by the sizes of the cones they show on the JEM 5-petal cutters.
Thank you! I always struggle with this. This makes perfect sense!
Hey Cakepro -- that's an AWESOME trick with the calyx cutter!! I kind of figured the same as you about the inner leaves, it's the fact that I have lacy leaf molds that could easily double as petals that threw me. Oh well, I guess I have to play!
Cakepro,
You are truly an awesome and generous person. Thanks for all of the time and effort you spend on explaining things, doing photos for those of us, like me who do better when we can see it and answering all of our endless questions.
This mini tutorial that you did on rose cutters is just such a tremendous wealth of information - thank you so much. You have answered questions that I have wanted to know the answer to but didn't want to ask. And the tip with using the calyx cutter for individual petals - WOW that is truly a time saver!!
Thank you so much for everything!!
This is slightly un-related to this topic. I had once come across a link showing a picture tutorial of some sort of flower, and I can't remember which it was. (I think it was a spray showing how to make the individual flowers, and it was on an online store website). But then, at the end, they showed how to make little ladybirds as well. Which could be used to scatter around leaves, petals etc.
For the life of me, I can't remember more detail and don't know where exactly I had seen it. Would anyone be able to help?
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