I'm going to be honest here, and say that I was perturbed by her statement of
"This is the only website I've had problems with!"
Which is a load of....cake.
It was a personal attack at CC & it's members at that point. But maybe I was the only one that felt that way.
Regardless, I don't think anyone was truly rude to her in any way. She should know that broad, sweeping statements such as that, are going to ruffle a few feathers.
Also, I have to wonder how she would feel if you or Jackie decided to take it upon yourselves to go over to her site and proceed to reprimand her members?
With all the web sites we visit and all the forums we may post on, it's understandable we're not going to remember specific rules all the time. What I would have appreciated is a polite, well written explanation of the rules to remind us. What was written came off as rude and demeaning the way I "read" it.
We have to be careful how we "write" things we post so that it doesn't come across in the wrong way. Obviously we can't hear tone of voice or inflection. But one thing is clear no matter what. ALL CAPS COMES ACROSS AS SHOUTING OR YELLING!
I stopped visiting baking911 after the last time such rude posts came across. But, I did go and look up the recipe on baking911 today and it does state quite clearly that permission must be given to copy the recipe. But, surely there's a nicer way to inform us rather than scold us.
I didn't see the original post that Sarah started or the recipe in question, so I'm not 100% sure, but I take it up that someone saw and passed along her recipe, and reference was given to her and baking911. I'm reading this thinking that if proper credit was given for her work, then why did she care that the recipe was posted? If someone posted one of my recipes on here and said try this, it's great, I would take that as a huge compliment. I guess I'm just confused about her motives. But I'll bet her site did get a lot of hits out of this.
ok, here is the way to site a web page:
Web site:
"Title of we site. (underlined). Sponsoring Agency. Date accessed <web address>
example:
Nobel E-Museum. (underline that). 6 Nov. 2002. Nobel Foundation. 12 Nov. 2003. <http://www.nobel.se/>
To site a web page:
Last Name, First Name. "Title of Web Page." Title of web site. ( underline this) Date of web site. Sponsoring Agency. Date accessed. <Web Address>.
Example:
Heaney, Seamus. "Crediting Poetry: Nobel Lecture. December 7, 1995." Nobel E-Museum, ( underline that) 16 May 2001. Nobel Foundation. 14 Oct. 2003.
<http://www.nobel.se/literature/laureates/1995/heaney-lecture.html>
I know, long and tedious...but that will protect you and cake central.
So, I guess we will have to go through all the CAKE DOCTOR RECIPES and delete those along with any DOCTORED cake mix recipes too???
OMG....IM sorry...but ...
"Which is a load of....cake"
made me spit dr pepper EVERYWHERE!!!! 
for the record that was originally stated by whtrbbt420....so dont sue me!
i love reading CC drama. you guys always have me on the edge of my seat! who needs reality tv?!
well apparently drama is what she was aiming for! 
http://www.baking911.com/asksarahbb/index.php?showtopic=1386
bottom of the page 
that is how Im suppose to do that to providde info from her site....thats the right way to give her hits 
...I mean credit 
....right?
OMG....IM sorry...but ...
"Which is a load of....cake"
made me spit dr pepper EVERYWHERE!!!!
for the record that was originally stated by whtrbbt420....so dont sue me!
yes, please direct all hate mail to [email protected] 
i love reading CC drama. you guys always have me on the edge of my seat! who needs reality tv?!
well apparently drama is what she was aiming for!
/asksarahbb/index.php?showtopic=1386
bottom of the page
that is how Im suppose to do that to providde info from her site....thats the right way to give her hits
...I mean credit ....right?
bwaaahahahaaaa!!!1 
Ok I have to put my 2 cents in and ask for all change to be returned upon the closing of this message
Ok I saw and participated in the first "debate" about this situation. In one line sarahsomething said "this is the only site I have problems with" (as previously stated here by someone else) And let it please be known these were words typed by the hand of sarah and I'm using them in a quote to make a point. Further down in the forum she stated that we are NOT the ONLY site that has done this so I don't understand one minute she says others aren't doing this and then the next she says they are.
Also she stated it was someone else's recipe not HERS now she's stating it is HER recipe. That it belongs to HER because it came from her website. In actuallity it came from the original owner of said recipe and she was given permission to post it/use it on her webpage for her members to use as well as anyone in the free world or anyone with access to the internet.
Now I had made mention in another thread about info I had about this stating it was alright to use recipes that they aren't copyrighted, now that someone has put out the source page link to where I originally got the link from I will say, I got the link off of Sarah's forum today after all this came up, and went to it and read what she read that it is NOT copyrighted material, except for part 1 introductions about said recipe but the rest is NOT copyrighted. (Does that make sense?) Ok so to stick with the rules here is the link so you can get the exact words and understand this better.
http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php/2006/08/07/copyrights_and_recipes?blog=2&c=1&page=1&more=1&title=copyrights_and_recipes&tb=1&pb=1&disp=single Man that's a long link sorry.
Now I want to say I appreciate the law student going to all the trouble for us to look this info up and gather info from her teacher(s). I want to say I'm sorry to Heath and everyone else if I'm in the wrong here.
I just want to make it clear to the person who thinks she was the only one offended by the statement earlier, I was offended as well and like I said before that other thread got deleted it's all sharing and having a good time, no one is out to get you or ruin your website or your reputation but I'd like to remind you what you told us when you came at us about this said recipe: It belonged to someone else, it was their recipe (I'm sorry I don't remember her name something with a T I believe) and now you're stating it's yours. Couldn't she get you for that? I don't mean to be rude here but this is junk. (trying not to curse because I know it's frowned upon). This is the internet, yes we are all trying to make a living, but if you look at baking911 there are alot of things there that are copyrighted material from other websites weather used with permissions or not it's copied word for word and I just don't understand how that is any different.
There my two cents are over. Change can be mailed to me via PM system if you would like to yell at me do so in private so as to not start more drama in CC forums.
Thank you. Becky
Edited because I mis-quoted sarahs statement.
OH MY GOODNESS OH MY GOODIES..
lol
No I think, If I remember that she said the person TINA was someone that used to work for her or on her site and posted the recipe as TINA'S PERFECT BUTTER CREAM or something..
(oh is the copywrite police coming to get me now coz I mentioned someone's name?) I was thinking along the same lines...
We are here to share and learn...ok...so as long as we don't post OTHER'S RECIPE as our own...I don't see WHAT THE PROBLEM is is we share...Links, recipes from other sites..like..look how cool this is...
in keeping with the spirit of baking 911, are we now not going to be able post copies of cake pictuers that are inspired by others? copies ( good or bad ) of other pictures?
I know that I've been making a version of a Martha Stewart recipe for ages with MY OWN changes to it...but I haven't done an indept research to see if my changes make it SOMEONE ELSE'S RECIPE!
I think all this has been started by some former CC members that are now on that site stiring up trouble!!
My pennies worth...and OMG..your change is on the way...tee hee
Don't you guys worry,,, this is not Martha Stewart nor Colette Peters we're dealing with here..
We can all relax... 
Hi there! I have a dumb question. I read a few sentences about "Baking 911"....I think you are referring to that website....Could someone explain what is going on with them to me....I'm a little lost.....
someone posted a recipe here that originally was posted there...and it has created a copywrite backlash..lol
oh..and I'm sorry I should edit my post so as not to have them mentioned without the link..lol
oh well...we have many many more recipes available to us besides that one...even if we lose it..cc can stand strong and is NOT going to collapse without it...
Right?
Right on sista! And please don't yell at me too bad when you send me change later lol
Looking at our recipe file, are we really gonna miss one lousy recipe taken away ? We won't even feel it... If it wasn't because of the Soap Opera/drama started, then we would not even know it's gone..
I like it here, and I also like Baking 911. I've found Sarah Philips to be helpful and gracious. Her knowledge of baking is tremendous and accurate (even scientifically), and I can completely understand that she wants to protect what she's created.
Cake Central and Baking 911 are different. CC has a community that shares ideas and information with each other. Baking 911 is where Sarah shares her knowledge and recipes. Others sometimes share in the forums, but Sarah is the one who answers the questions and solves the problems.
Let's try to be kind and remember that what we see and hear is only part of the whole story.
Cheers, from
SwampWitch
I just wanted to say that I am happy that this post has stayed up as long as it has. No one has started yelling or being rude to one another and that is great. I love the recipes I have seen. I have seen alot of things on here that come from somewhere else which people have given credit too. I could just imagine Martha Stewart going around and telling people to take stuff off of here because its "HERS." Before now I would have went to the other website just to double check on what I was doing but not anymore. I dont like the fact that someone has to join CC just to yell at us and see what recipes we have that might be theres. That gets me. Anyways I just want to say thanks to all the wonderful people on here that supply us with wonderful recipes and tech. as well as ideas. I am truly so happy to have found this website.
My final comment on the subject is that I really think someone shot themselves in the foot when she started that forum....it should have been left in a private message to heath or Jackie and that should have been the end of it....but in my opinion she just gave herself some pretty bad "press" to people who love to bake....and I had never even heard of above said website until a CC member mentioned that site so I checked it out....but not anymore....that website is on my black list.....its not a matter of is she right or wrong....its a matter of making a post as if she was talking to a room of children.... I hope it was worth it to her.....she can now jump back on that high horse and ride into the sunset if you ask me!
edited to remove the actual name of other website.....dont want any lawsuit hitting this SAHM! LOL
I loved Sarah's website, it had a lot of info in one neat little package.
However, most of her general info is available by doing a simple search. The recipes are not all original either; she gives sources where appropriate, but that info is also available elsewhere online.
I won't post links to her website anymore, possibly causing someone on this site to use her copyrighted material inappropriately.
I just don't think it's worth the hassle.....
JMHO
I find in funny because most of yall are professional bakers and I am just a newbie. I am majoring in law and working on my bachelors. I am in the middle of taking a business law class and as soon as I heard what was going on I jumped on my email and emailed my teacher ASAP. I really love baking and always need something healthy to take my mind off of law. And when I came across this website I LOVED it and have never left. I just want to make sure everyone knows the laws on plagiarism which is what it is called when you copy with out citing.
Just to be pedantic, the issue isn't just plaigarism (using information as if it were one's own, without citing the source), but also copyright infringement. For non-profit, educational purposes, (as well as satire, review, and a few other limited uses) the doctrine of fair use may come into play, but for "entertainment" or "business", fair use does not apply.
The important thing that is asked is whether the copyright holder was substantively harmed by the copying/distribution of their original works. For example, a publisher/author is much less likely to quibble over the posting of a single recipe (especially if the source is cited, and it induces others to actually buy the book) than if somebody were to post an offer to scan and send an entire chapter. A very valid argument could be made that the copyright holder was potentially harmed in that situation.
So...it is best to err on the side of caution with regards to posting of copyright protected material on a public website.
In case you are wondering, I am not a lawyer. I am the copyright and fair use specialist for my college, as well as a college instructor. Also, my dh received a very threatening letter from an intellectual property attorney a couple of years ago, because he had mentioned the name of a for-profit software package in his description of an open-source (free) project he was developing. (as in, mentioned that it had many of the same features as XYZ) I had the pleasure of responding to that attorney, who didn't seem to appreciate that I knew the applicable law as well as he did.
RP
HOLY COW!!! What did I miss while I spent the day making about 100 buttercream roses!!!!! 
I have no idea what took place that prompted this but I just read EVERY post in this thread and have a general idea!!!
I did notice that the CEO/Owner of the (don't care to name) website has been a registered user since March of this year!!! Is this the first time a post has been made in this manner by this person? Apparently we are repeat offenders but if this is the first time she has posted here in this manner then how can we be the ONLY website to offend her rules!!!!!!!
I frankly do not care for the (don't care to name) website because it one: hurts my eyes and two: is very "busy" 
in appearance and three: is very unorganized and difficult to navigate!
Now maybe if (don't care to name) would quit complaining about petty cr@p, (don't care to name) could learn a thing or two about organization, fluidity, and overall eye appeal to a website!
Thank you so much for everyone's input on copyright issues. This is something I have NEVER even considered to be a problem during my time on CC! I have never posted a recipe here on CC but if I did I would certainly give credit as to where it was taken from or just give a link to the site it was taken from in the recipes section here on CC. I for one think we already have a great recipe box here on CC!
Amy
I frankly do not care for the (don't care to name) website because it one: hurts my eyes
and two: is very "busy" in appearance and three: is very unorganized and difficult to navigate! Amy
I thought I was the only one that thought that!
I just wanted to add... all of this hoopla is the exact reason we have to moderate and lock threads and delete them if have to.
WOOOW!.....who would have thought cake decorating and sharing recipes would cause this much drama and hoopla? People have shared recipes in kitchens and around communities forever. If someone has a recipe you like you ask them for it they dont usually say no go buy the book. But I guess when the community is online and everything is in writing not verbal the rules change and you have to be mor ecarefull. I have a hand written recipe book with recipes (obviously not origionally mine) that i have shared with many friends and family members. They have coppied word for word from me and i have coppeid it word for word from the origionated site or book. That seems to me to be the only way to "copy" a recipe it get it right. How many ways can you say beat eggs, add flour...ect? Also I always felt like CC was a community af friends sharing information and i never saw it as just a "site". But i guess in this day and age you have to be carefull niot to get sued.
Just my 2 cents.
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