Need A Price Argument W Dh Settled

Business By spottydog Updated 31 Aug 2006 , 8:45pm by LittleLinda

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spottydog Posted 23 Aug 2006 , 10:34pm
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Ok so i posted a pic of a cute Turtle in my gallery. Dh says I totally undercharged for this cake. It was made from a wondermold (not sure how many that serves) probably 12-15??? All fondant covered and decorated. White cake with Rasp buttercream torted 3 times. I charged $35.00. looking for a ball park figure, understanding that prices range due to location. TIA, Lisa icon_smile.gif

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CakeDiva73 Posted 23 Aug 2006 , 10:38pm
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You undercharged..... sorry, that cake is a beauty and should have gotten $50 - at least. Good God, it looks just like a Debbie Brown cake!

You are lucky to have a husband who sees how valuable your work is! My ex-husband would have looked at it and said "Do you really think someone will pay $20 for that ?"

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mbelgard Posted 23 Aug 2006 , 10:38pm
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It's really cute, I don't know exactly what I would have charged but I agree with your husband.

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daltonam Posted 23 Aug 2006 , 10:42pm
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spotty--$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$35.00-------that's all icon_confused.gif oh heck i'm on the next plane out to kick some butt icon_mad.gif



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My ex-husband would have looked at it and said "Do you really think someone will pay $20 for that ?"





glad he's an ex- icon_wink.gif -----jerk icon_biggrin.gif

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mocakes Posted 23 Aug 2006 , 10:45pm
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I agree with all the above!! That is THE cutest turtle I've ever seen! Take pride in your work, woman!! icon_smile.gif

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spottydog Posted 23 Aug 2006 , 10:54pm
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thanks everyone.....DH is laughing it up now that he was "right". I guess I will know better next time. icon_smile.gif

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Pootchi Posted 23 Aug 2006 , 11:24pm
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I charge 50$ for sculped cakes. Like the big foot truck in my photos. And the customers never argued on the price, and was very pleased with results.

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TooMuchCake Posted 23 Aug 2006 , 11:28pm
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My sculptures are about $5 per serving. Your turtle is so adorable it is worth much more than $35!

Deanna

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mabailey Posted 23 Aug 2006 , 11:37pm
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Yep, he was right....BUT, I have to add that ALL of your cakes on your photo page are FANTASTICALLY BEAUTIFUL!!! >^.,.^<

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msauer Posted 23 Aug 2006 , 11:49pm
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I agree that you undercharged, but l do the same thing all the time. I am conditioned that most people don't have a clue what kind of time goes into a cake and when you are trying to build your business you take whatever you can get...Gosh, I need to stop that!!! Maybe we should start a 12 step program for decorators who undercharge! I'll go first...

Hello...my name is Michelle and I never charge what my cakes are worth... (LOL!!!)

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spottydog Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:09am
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Michelle you are absolutely right! I am at fault also thinking no one has a clue how much time goes into it. Ya know what I will just Ditto everthing you said.
hello...Myname is Lisa and I ALSO never charge what my cakes are worth.

Thankyou everyone.....(even though Dh was right)LOL I take it all as a compliment

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heavenscent Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 2:29am
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my name is Melissa& I do not charge what my cakes are worth.......(although I am getting better)hahahah

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KittisKakes Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 2:40am
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Hi, My name is Kitti and I too don't charge what my cakes are worth!!

LOL!!! Spotty - DH tells me the same thing all the time!! I just don't think people would pay those prices in my area. I'm trying to stick to my guns and make fondant, sculpted cakes at least $3 per sreving.

BTW, that is the cutest turtle I have ever seen!! Excellent work!

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spottydog Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 11:17am
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thanks.....i think Michelle just started a 12 step program...LOL

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LittleLinda Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 11:48am
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I hate to be the "different" one, but I think $35 was a fair price given the small number of servings. I charge only $23 for a doll cake a (wonder mold pan) ... and that includes the pick that costs me $3.00! I do realize you added a head and feet and you covered it in fondant. I still think $35 is enough.

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daltonam Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:29pm
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i'm just wondering--how do we determine what's fair with the time we put into one versus the number of servings

i kinda asked a question like this recently about pricing my own cakes--

from the outside looking in--a customer may not see the difference--but i did --when i did the light green w/pink daisies versus the pale yellow w/daises--of course it cost to buy fresh BUT DANG THE TIME it took to do the MMF ones too

anyone??

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LittleLinda Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:39pm
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how do we determine what's fair with the time we put into one versus the number of servings




I charge what I would be willing to pay if I were the customer!

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LittleLinda Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:40pm
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how do we determine what's fair with the time we put into one versus the number of servings




I charge what I would be willing to pay!

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daltonam Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:41pm
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that's an excellent way to think about it--thanks

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jguilbeau Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:49pm
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I hate to be the "different" one, but I think $35 was a fair price given the small number of servings. I charge only $23 for a doll cake a (wonder mold pan) ... and that includes the pick that costs me $3.00! I do realize you added a head and feet and you covered it in fondant. I still think $35 is enough.




I agree with Linda, I feel a doll cake is a lot more work with decorating the dress. I charge $35 for a doll cake also. So I feel $35 is fair.

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stampinam Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:49pm
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That turtle is just adorable - looks just like the precious moments turtle!

While keeping in mind the going rate in your own area, I think decorators also need to keep in mind how many hours they spend on a cake. We should be sure that we are getting paid a fair rate per hour for our custom work. Every other business does this ie labor charges for plumbers, contractors, etc. How much is your time worth per hour?

Just some food for thought... icon_smile.gif

Ann Marie

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lehall2006 Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:51pm
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Hi Spottydog,

I think $50 would have been a fair price for the turtle. We live in one of the most expensive areas of the country, and the bakeries around here would think nothing of charging $100+ for a 3-D cake like that. You do beautiful work and should charge accordingly. thumbs_up.gif

Lauren

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RisqueBusiness Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:54pm
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Ok so i posted a pic of a cute Turtle in my gallery. Dh says I totally undercharged for this cake. It was made from a wondermold (not sure how many that serves) probably 12-15??? All fondant covered and decorated. White cake with Rasp buttercream torted 3 times. I charged $35.00. looking for a ball park figure, understanding that prices range due to location. TIA, Lisa icon_smile.gif




Don't beat yourself up. You charged what you charged! Think of all you got for that $35.00.

1. You got a cute picture for your portfolio.
2. You got the experience of making said cake, so now you know what's involved and how time consuming making this cake is.
3. Your talent was validated by your DH.

$35.00 for all that? A bargain I say! lol

Now you know, that next time...as you are more "experienced" in this "type" of cake....you can charge a little more!

Big hugs!!

Very impressed with your talent!

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MikeRowesHunny Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:56pm
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I too live in an expensive 'area' compared to ANYWHERE in the US, and that cake would not have come for anything less than $50-$60 from me!

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darcat Posted 24 Aug 2006 , 12:57pm
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Well I'm of 2 minds as the baker I agree it is worth more but as a customer I think $35 is fair considering how many it feeds. I also do quilting and will not do it for pay as I would never get what it is worth in terms of creation and work so I only do them for special people as gifts. I find it is always that way with any craft that is done with care and love you rarely get the full value as far as money goes. Of course being in montreal yr $35 usd is about $40 cdn lol

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spottydog Posted 25 Aug 2006 , 3:48pm
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Ok so i posted a pic of a cute Turtle in my gallery. Dh says I totally undercharged for this cake. It was made from a wondermold (not sure how many that serves) probably 12-15??? All fondant covered and decorated. White cake with Rasp buttercream torted 3 times. I charged $35.00. looking for a ball park figure, understanding that prices range due to location. TIA, Lisa icon_smile.gif



Don't beat yourself up. You charged what you charged! Think of all you got for that $35.00.

1. You got a cute picture for your portfolio.
2. You got the experience of making said cake, so now you know what's involved and how time consuming making this cake is.
3. Your talent was validated by your DH.

$35.00 for all that? A bargain I say! lol

Now you know, that next time...as you are more "experienced" in this "type" of cake....you can charge a little more!

Big hugs!!

Very impressed with your talent!




I think you are absolutely right! That is how I have been looking at it. Getting the experience and Pic for a portfolio. I always consider a challange or unique idea is a great oppertunity for experence.Although the exrta cash makes it soooo much nicer.... icon_rolleyes.gif icon_lol.gif

Thanks everyone for the input. It was very much appriciated and useful for future cakes. thumbs_up.gif

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thereallara Posted 25 Aug 2006 , 4:14pm
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...I also do quilting and will not do it for pay as I would never get what it is worth...




I do sewing and quilting as well. I decided not to do it as a business for this very reason. On the other hand, there are people who will always appreciate a hand made work of art, be it a quilt or a cake, and will pay for it.

The turtle cake, or any other unique, highly decorated and original cake should be priced based on more than the number of servings. Some products cost more simply because of the packaging or brand name or the fact that they can't be purchased just anywhere. They are special, and people should be willing to pay for the extra care that goes into them. Most people wouldn't have the skill or creativity to make this type of cake. Your talent has value!

If they don't appreciate that they are getting something extra special and are only concerned with the number of people the cake will feed for the price, they could pick up a Costco cake.

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koolaidstains Posted 25 Aug 2006 , 9:23pm
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I don't think that when you have a smaller cake (smaller servings) that you can charge in the same way. It takes me only a few minutes longer to decorate a 10in versus an 8in cake. I feel that the smaller cakes should in that respect cost more per serving than larger cakes.

Many businesses have minimum orders for this very reason. It takes a certain amount of time just to make batter, get the oven going, make icing and the like and making more doesn't mean a proportional amount of "more" time.

I think $35 would be on the low end for a buttercream decorated turtle. Take into account the amount of time to make and mold fondant and you have to push your price up. Of course it all comes down to what you want out of it. Are you in business to make enough money to support yourself or just make enough to support you hobby? Do you love making cakes so much that you'd rather charge less just to make yourself and others happy? Are you looking to gain experience and build up your reputation? These are all things that go into pricing your cakes.

I feel that many of us way undercharge. Next time you make a $35 cake why not clock yourself and then take out how much your ingredients and other things cost and that find out how much you made per hour! How much is your time worth? Was it "you" time or were you taking time away from your family? Was it "business" time or "pleasure" time? When you see how much you actually make per hour, you may feel differently about it!

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spottydog Posted 25 Aug 2006 , 11:59pm
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Good point koolaidstains I would love to clock myself. I am ALWAYS trying to figure the time aspect but it is so hard doing this at home with a 2 year old...LOL. Someday I'll keep track of each cake. I always run into the problem of working on 2 cakes at a time. So it's so hard to figure separatly

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LittleLinda Posted 27 Aug 2006 , 11:56pm
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Business or pleasure is the key. We are mostly all mothers, and none of us get paid for that! But being mothers for most of us is the most rewarding thing we do in life. Second most rewarding to me is getting praise for my beautiful cakes made more for the love of the art than the money.

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