Fondant Or Fahndahnt??

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MandyE Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 3:02pm
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I think I will start saying fon-dent. Being a true TExan, I've been saying fon-dANT (like an ant). I guess it sounds pretty southern. icon_biggrin.gif

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rlsaxe Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 4:21pm
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Melissa! What a BRAT your mother in law is!! Oh my gosh! I just can't believe the rudeness of some people (especially family should know better). How anyone can turn their nose up to food that someone else made for them when they are a GUEST in that person's house AND call it 'so so?' NOOOOOOOO. Not happenin!

Next time you have your mother over for dinner, make your regular dinner and dessert for everyone else, and on her plate just put a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and a some ready made instant pudding straight from its plastic container. When she asks what's going on, tell her she doesn't like your food anyway, so you don't want to submit her to such torture.

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acookieobsession Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 4:24pm
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I think I will start saying fon-dent. Being a true TExan, I've been saying fon-dANT (like an ant). I guess it sounds pretty southern. icon_biggrin.gif




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Peachshortcake Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 4:26pm
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I say it both ways. Depends on who I have been around.

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rlsaxe Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 4:59pm
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sp peachshortcake, you're a camileon fondant pronouncer!

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berryblondeboys Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 6:36pm
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Melissa! What a BRAT your mother in law is!! Oh my gosh! I just can't believe the rudeness of some people (especially family should know better). How anyone can turn their nose up to food that someone else made for them when they are a GUEST in that person's house AND call it 'so so?' NOOOOOOOO. Not happenin!

Next time you have your mother over for dinner, make your regular dinner and dessert for everyone else, and on her plate just put a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and a some ready made instant pudding straight from its plastic container. When she asks what's going on, tell her she doesn't like your food anyway, so you don't want to submit her to such torture.




OMG, I could right an entire comedy series about my MIL... no wait a minute, there already has been one! She is SOOOOOOO like the Mom in "everybody loves Raymond". Though, she was a professional woman who had numerous lovers and married 3 times, not a housewife and my husband was an only child, not the "favorite". But other than that, a LOT like the relationship going on there on her side. DH doesn't like the antics though, but we've both learned to laugh at it instead of get mad at it. (Unless she does something more than just annoyingly rude). She's just a VERY rude person and much more... too

Let me see, she would eat peanut butter, but not jelly (only good jam/preserves) and INSTANT pudding? NO WAY! LOL Especially if it's butterscotch or something! LOL

I should do something like that though, but she wouldn't get it though because she really doesn't see that she's ever out of line.

Melissa

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LaSombra Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 6:38pm
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hmm. I hadn't realized that there were places in the US where they actually say it the other way. Sorry about the "say it the American way" comment.

It just bugs me sometimes when people try to use the "correct" way of saying things when it isn't natural in their area to say them, like they're trying to persuade people to speak "correctly." When someone says that I say it the French way because it comes from France, that's what kinda bugs me. It's fine if they want to say it that way but don't try to influence me to say it that way. When in France, I'll say it with a French accent because I'll be speaking in French. A large amount of our words in English come from French origin. I don't think we can influence people to switch back to the French pronunciation of every word with French origin icon_wink.gif

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flavacakes Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 6:38pm
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I pronounce it Phone dahn as that's pretty close to the true pronunciation. Americans call it fon dant because we are oblivious to foreign words in our language and are snobs... NOWHERE but the Americas are we sooooo bad about pronouncing and recognizing foreign words - it's French!!! The French would DIE if they heard it the way Americans pronounce it... So, to me, calling it fon dant sounds very uneducated or arrogant - it looks like fon dant, so we say fon dant.... so does that mean we should pronounce colonel as it looks too? (that might be a bad choice of words as it's WAY mangled).

And since fondant is such a NEW word to most people's vocabularly, I can't buy that it's the "american way"... it will become that (and probably is becoming that way already) but right now it's a mispronunciation of a French word like we do with almost ALL french words.

Sorry for being a word Nazi but if Americans just REALIZED how poorly we are looked down upon by the rest of the world by our arrogance and disregard for other cultures, you might understand more where I'm coming from... other parts of the world TRY to take the time to learn the correct way to pronounce things in the original language context to show respect.

Throwing tomatoes now anyone? LOL
Melissa




Well I guess I am uneducated and arrogant because I AM American and will pronounce as Americans do. Also, we are not French so I don't expect ANYONE to pronounce French words properly including myself. I'm sorry to say this, but in my eyes, you are the one who looks like the snob.

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bethola Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 6:49pm
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Here is a link I found. Click on the mini speaker. I say it that way!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fondant




ME TOO!

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LaSombra Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 6:49pm
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Sorry for being a word Nazi but if Americans just REALIZED how poorly we are looked down upon by the rest of the world by our arrogance and disregard for other cultures, you might understand more where I'm coming from... other parts of the world TRY to take the time to learn the correct way to pronounce things in the original language context to show respect.




I know what you're talking about in that Americans are looked down upon for the arrogance and disregard for other cultures. I don't think it is because we have our own way of pronouncing foreign words though. Every language has its own way of pronouncing foreign words. All languages don't use the same sound index.

I have been to other countries and have seen fellow Americans' snobbery first-hand. It's not the mispronunciation of the language that is so rude. It's their outright expectation for every other country to speak English to them. I have actually seen people get angry with a shop-owner because that shop owner didn't speak English (In France). I quickly stepped in and interpreted for them, not to help out the Americans but to relieve the poor woman trying to wait on them. I've seen the same type of thing in Mexico as well.

It's the attitude that the entire world is America's playground that makes the rest of the world angry and resentful.

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mgdqueen Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 6:52pm
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It just bugs me sometimes when people try to use the "correct" way of saying things when it isn't natural in their area to say them, like they're trying to persuade people to speak "correctly."




I agree with your quote-I get annoyed when people (yes, even my DH) go to a Mexican restaurant and try to speak Spanish to the waiter, "Gracias, amigo" etc. In my opinion the waiter is thinking, "what a doofus. He's probably just making fun of me in his own way" Say it like you normally say it...don't try to speak French or Spanish if you're a southern American. It just sounds fake. icon_twisted.gif

I guess you know I pronounce it FONDANT.

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berryblondeboys Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 7:00pm
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It just bugs me sometimes when people try to use the "correct" way of saying things when it isn't natural in their area to say them, like they're trying to persuade people to speak "correctly."



I agree with your quote-I get annoyed when people (yes, even my DH) go to a Mexican restaurant and try to speak Spanish to the waiter, "Gracias, amigo" etc. In my opinion the waiter is thinking, "what a doofus. He's probably just making fun of me in his own way" Say it like you normally say it...don't try to speak French or Spanish if you're a southern American. It just sounds fake. icon_twisted.gif

I guess you know I pronounce it FONDANT.




OMG this is SOOOOO not true!!! They LOVE it if you try to speak the language of the cuisine!!! OK, maybe there are SOME that feel it's like "Oh this gringo thinks he's so cool that he can say amigo", but most of them are so delighted that you are taking the time to ASK how to say a food word or to say please and thank you in their language. It shows respect. Don't you ever notice them correct you (or stating it correctly) when you say a food name wrong? So next time you go, you can say it RIGHT.

Melissa

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pieface Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 7:09pm
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I pronounce it Fond-Aunt, and depending on where you're from "AUNT" can vary in pronounciation also. icon_lol.gif I'm from Texas, so for me it's aunt that sounds more like 'ant' than 'awnt.' cowboy.gif Although, my WI says Fon-dent, who knows, I may start saying it the way she does.

I SAY Toe-mate-uhh, you say Toe-mah-tah....just put it on a juicy burger/burga/boigah and eat! LOL

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marthajo1 Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 7:14pm
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I can't hear it the french way! Anybody else having trouble with the library page loading properly?

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bethola Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 7:16pm
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sugarpaste makes a lot more sense and it's description. Maybe I'll just switch to saying sugarpaste... not that I make it at all! LOL

Melissa




Well, I think I'll just call it "Miss Beth's Bubblegum Icing" like the little ones at my church. And, by the way, just like chocolate.....I'll NEVER get tired of buttercream; be it French, Italian Meringue, Swiss, or Wilton!!! LOL

Beth in KY

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Sugarbunz Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 7:19pm
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Hmmm, well this looks like it's becoming something other than the original question, but I say fondant. Just like it looks. That's the way I've heard most people say it. I am happy to know the "real" pronounciation and suspected that's what it was, but people just wouldn't recognize what I was talking about if I said it "correctly". It's not because I am or they are an uneducated American, it's just not a word most people are used to hearing out loud to begin with.

I lived in Germany for a while and my worst experience was when I tried to order my entire meal in German. I said "ohne sahne" (without cream) and got it "mit Sahne" instead. When I politely told the waitress I did not want the cream she went off on me. I wasn't being rude in the least. The moral of the story is that sometimes Americans are met with hostility no matter how polite, or how hard they try. It's a vicious circle. Everyone in the town spoke English so I really shied away from conversation in general because I was afraid I would get laughed at. I just don't think it's American's who have "language" issues.

Personally, I love an accent too. I don't think someone who grew up in France looks like an idiot if they mispronounce an English word. it's just how they learned to speak and I think it's part of what makes us individuals. icon_smile.gif

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berryblondeboys Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 7:19pm
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bubblegum icing - well, that's pretty descriptive too, huh? LOL Which reminds me, I have 16 egg whites left over from yesterdays easter bread making, so I'll try making some Italian buttercream. I usually make my "euro" icing with the full egg, but with some many whites and they were even pasteurized eggs, I'll give it a go!

melissa

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Mae1118 Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 7:30pm
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I do agree that in most cases, when you are interacting with someone from a different background who speaks a different language, that they are usually very pleased when someone tries to speak in their own language. I can't speak for the ordering at restaurants scenario, but I was a health care professional before I was a stay-at-home-mom, and I worked in an area that had a lot of Hispanic and Aisian immigrants. I speak very poor Spanish, but my patients who spoke Spanish were always delighted when I tried, no matter how badly I was butchering it. One very sweet wife of one of my patients would always try to help me with my Spanish and would "quiz" me on Spanish words. I think that it really just depends on your attitude about it. If you are really trying to make an effort, people are generally happy to have you take an interest in their culture.

I do have to say, though that I say "fon-dent," and I don't feel bad about it. That is just the way that it is pronounced by most people where I live, and I think that it is okay that there are several different pronunciations. If I was in a place where it was generally pronounced differently, I would probably start pronouncing it that way. Like Julia said, I think it just shows how individual we all are.

However, it does bug me when people don't take the time at least try to correctly pronounce someone's name that may be foreign. Working in an area with so many patients from other countries, it was often difficult to get all the names right, and I admit that I myself have accidentally butchered some people's names. It drove me crazy though, when some of my co-workers would repeatedly mispronounce someone's name and never even try to get it right! Sometimes if you would try to help by telling them the correct pronunciation, they would just shrug and say "whatever," as if that person should just have the decency to have an "American" name. It's their NAME for goodness sake! I think this is the attitude that makes many people in other countries think that some Americans are so rude. In that case, I think there is only one correct pronunciation. Again, it's all about attitude. I think that if you are at least making an effort and you are apologetic if you don't get it quite right, I have never had anyone be offended. I think the world would be a happier place if we all celebrated our differences a little more and at the same time took an interest in learning about other backgrounds and experiences that may be a little different than the ones we are used to. Sorry this is so long. This is just something I have thought about a lot, in my line of work!

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tcturtleshell Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 7:42pm
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Ya'll crack me up!! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif I'm a true southerner cowboy.gif & I say it fon-dant or sometimes fon-dent. I say it fast. We speak fast where I'm from icon_wink.gif I have heard others pronounce it & it's always in their accent. Always neat to hear other accents say it~ What I hate is when someone who has no idea of what fondant is & they call it fondue!!! LOL!! That cracks me up!! Fondant/fondue hello icon_mad.gif My DH is from Albany, NY. He thinks it's cute when I say winder for window & piller for pillow, potata for potato icon_wink.gif Everyone is unique~ thumbs_up.gif Be proud of the way you say it!! I am! icon_biggrin.gif

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shipleyc Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 7:45pm
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I was born and raised in Arkansas. So for me it is fondent and tuh-mate-tuh. My husband was born in Illinois and moved to Arkansas when he was 8 so he doesn't have much of any accent and gets a big kick out of making fun of mine. Although he usually over exaggerates!

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rlsaxe Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 8:44pm
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ok....so, just to be clear....OUR English dictionary says the correct pronunciation is "fondENT" (which would rhyme with con-dent).

The French culinary pronunciation says it's pronounced "fondon (which kinda rhymes with phone-don - no T).

So, either way is technically fine. BUT...this STILL does not explain those people who (annoyingly so, in my opinion) pronounce it: "FONDONT (which would rhyme with fawndaunt).

What do we do with those people? Where should we say they're from?????? icon_smile.gif

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tiptop57 Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 9:12pm
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Why Rlsaxe, they immigrated from the pearl string of cake decorating islands of Sugar Paste of course. It is very close to the continent of butter cream. icon_biggrin.gif

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rlsaxe Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 10:08pm
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oh. Thanks for clearing that one up tiptop. Is that north or south of the cake pan islands?

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melysa Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 10:17pm
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melysa Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 10:23pm
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that's cool. I think this link needs to be sent to those people who say "fAHndAHnt!"



Yes like Susan Stockton from the Foodnetwork. She says it "wrong" all the time!




lol, i was thinking of a guy on foodnetwork too! (darn whats his name- he's almost always on the cake challenges).

anyhoo...

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tiptop57 Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 11:29pm
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rlsaxe:
Just South of the cake pan islands - "sorta" where my humor travels.........

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moydear77 Posted 9 Apr 2007 , 11:40pm
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that's cool. I think this link needs to be sent to those people who say "fAHndAHnt!"



Yes like Susan Stockton from the Foodnetwork. She says it "wrong" all the time!



lol, i was thinking of a guy on foodnetwork too! (darn whats his name- he's almost always on the cake challenges).

anyhoo...

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OH That would be incredibly adorable Keegan!!! He can anything anyway he wants!! Just Dreamy! He was married last November and they made a show out of his wedding cake. They had several well known cake designers create his wedding cakes!!

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rlsaxe Posted 13 Apr 2007 , 1:54am
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who is Keegan?

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darandon Posted 13 Apr 2007 , 12:05pm
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who is Keegan?




he is the host of the show

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rlsaxe Posted 13 Apr 2007 , 1:23pm
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the host of what show? The food network challenges??? Or something else?

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