how intimidating. 
all i have to say is that if i was a brand new member and i came across this thread, i would be petrified. 
one, of stating my opinion and being ganged up on. and two, of posting my pics afraid that someone is going to shoot my work down.
this behavior isn't very welcoming. maybe we should turn these comments to pms. just a suggestion. don't hurt me. 
I liked RB. What I don't like are all the people here who bring their personal relationship issues to a cake forum. And all the man-bashers who jump on posts like that telling the complainer to "get out while she still can" just because hubby complained about a messy house - or wouldn't buy her a KitchenAir Pro. UGH!!!!
I'd MUCH rather see someone coming here to help and be HONEST with people than wade through anyones relationship drama.
And Brandi gets jumped in 5..... 4..... 3........ 2.......
And as for comments - yeah, they're nice. But I can't stand anyone telling me what to do. If I am inclined to leave a comment - I will. If I don't want to (for whatever my reason), stop trying to make me feel guilty for it. No one has to comment on my photos - I post them here for others to use as inspiration, or to learn from my mistakes. I don't need coddling, and I certainly don't need a guilt trip.
Perception.
I believe this thread is a good example of "perception".
I see comments in this thread indicating that we are "yelling" or "arguing" over this issue but that confuses me because I haven't seen anything in this thread that I would interpret as either (except I think there was a comment or two about 'good riddance' and those who are 'glad to see her gone'). Even still, I read those as personal opinions and while I would disagree with then, they are not offensive to me and I welcome their opinion.
Yet some read these very same comments and classify them as "yelling" or "arguing". I don't get it. 
Differing opinions are what make these discussion interesting. If we didn't have different opinions, then we'd all be either scratch bakers or box bakers. We'd all decorate our cakes in all fondant or all buttercream. We'd all use baking strips or we'd all use the push-down method.
An earlier comment in this thread indicated RB tried to share the idea that running a business is more than knowing how to bake. I've seen that moer than once .... some bakers think it's all the same thing, and it's not. She tried to share that info.
Perception.
I think the majority of people appreciate honesty...when served up with a side of tact. There is a huge difference between "sugar-coating" and being tactful.
I feel the bottomline is that when I enter someone else's home, I try my best to respect their "household rules". If I don't like it or can't abide by it, I can choose to not return.
That's how I feel about this site....this is Heath's and Jackie's home. They've done the work to make it what it is and I feel welcome to be part of it and participate in it, but if I can't respect their wishes....I can choose to not visit it. But ultimately, they can decide to not invite me back!
Many out there are afraid to speak up. They are afraid of looking like the bad guy.
I doubt that any member on this site knows the entire story. This has been a long time coming. RB's leaving was written on the wall. She made her own bed.
From the first time I came to CC she stuck out from everyone else. You may call it expressing her opinion, I call it being rude and hurting feelings.
In the beginning I almost left because of her but thought I will stand up to her instead.
I've seen members make a humous post to be turned into something else. And, this legal vs. illegal, she was down right mean. There are lega baker's that have something to say but in a kind way. Not to make others feel so rotten about themselves. When someone ask a question why does it turn into lega vs. illega debate?
I doubt that Janice was kicked out because she came to RB's defense. Here again I am sure there is more to the story then we know or need to know.
I rarely pm anyone or anyone pm me. Then it's to ask a question about their project in more detail and others may not care. Or someone asked me about GWTW, others may not be interested.
This pm back and forth can turn into nothing more than gossip. And that leads to hard feelings.
The thread's being locked? Yes, my opinion, it was because she was leading it down the negative road.
I had really hope she would have taken the hint and toned it down. I'm sorry she didn't.
And Brandi gets jumped in 5..... 4..... 3........ 2.......
And as for comments - yeah, they're nice. But I can't stand anyone telling me what to do. If I am inclined to leave a comment - I will. If I don't want to (for whatever my reason), stop trying to make me feel guilty for it. No one has to comment on my photos - I post them here for others to use as inspiration, or to learn from my mistakes. I don't need coddling, and I certainly don't need a guilt trip.
that is too hysterical
sure i think if you have the time to put it in your favorites...fine, leave a comment. but i'm only going to leave a comment on something that really strikes me. if you're not into spongebob, there's no need to leave a comment on my spongebob cookie........
I liked RB.
And as for comments - yeah, they're nice. But I can't stand anyone telling me what to do. If I am inclined to leave a comment - I will. If I don't want to (for whatever my reason), stop trying to make me feel guilty for it. No one has to comment on my photos - I post them here for others to use as inspiration, or to learn from my mistakes. I don't need coddling, and I certainly don't need a guilt trip.
ditto 
I think the majority of people appreciate honesty...when served up with a side of tact. There is a huge difference between "sugar-coating" and being tactful.
I feel the bottomline is that when I enter someone else's home, I try my best to respect their "household rules". If I don't like it or can't abide by it, I can choose to not return.
That's how I feel about this site....this is Heath's and Jackie's home. They've done the work to make it what it is and I feel welcome to be part of it and participate in it, but if I can't respect their wishes....I can choose to not visit it. But ultimately, they can decide to not invite me back!
ditto again
On the other side of the coin, I know of at least one CCer who left this website because of the poor spirit in several of the threads. Her reasoning -- it wasn't fun anymore. How sad!
It is a sad day when we are censored. There are a lot of things stated here but none more sad than loosing people who contributed.
I would hope that all who saw this done look deep into their hearts. There is no need for what has happened. Religion and oppinions aside we are all individuals and supposed to bring our experiences to the world. Isn't that why we are here for inspiration? We need to borrow the interpretation of another to help with our expression of a situation or event in our lives through cake and art.
I'm sorry that so many feel that Risque is being bashed, that certainly was not my intention. However, her particular style of posting (from everything I read) was very brash and came across as rude. It made me very uncomfortable, as I'm sure it did others.
I have no doubt at all that she is to be admired in many ways, she has tremendous talent and has worked very hard to get where she is in life.
I feel that this site has room for all different personality types, and all different opinions. However, we are all adults, and undoubtedly we were all taught basic manners at some time in our lives. We can state our opinions in a way that will not hurt people's feelings or make them feel stupid or unwelcome. Risque did not seem interested in making the effort to display the most basic of manners. Personally, I do not consider myself a thin-skinned person, but I avoid rudeness in all aspects of my life, I do not believe there's any excuse to treat people with anything less than common courtesy, particularly when it is unprovoked. As for the suggestion that I should have posted my opinions when Risque had the opportunity to respond, well, I wasn't interested in being attacked. I avoided posting 'around' her for that very reason. I hope my opinion now is not perceived as an attack on her, it's not intended that way.
Perhaps I misworded my earlier post. I think it's a shame that she had to be removed from CC, it would have been a better solution to all if she had "toned it down". She chose not to do that, so I thank Jackie and Heath for making a difficult decision that will bring CC one step closer to the warm community that it once was.
I am sorry RB is gone. 
... i really liked her and i have never found her mean and she also helped me with my first naughty cake. 
i need lots of practice in that area though.
something i have been thinking before is to have a button that you can activate, so when people look through the pictures they will see that you can take some critisism ( i don't know how to spell it) I too, would like some critisism on my cakes. That would help me to get better in what i do.
i for sure will miss reading your posts RB!
Wow, just read all the posts on this one and would like to throw my opinion into the wind without expecting any replies. First of all, I consider myself to be a newbie and must state that I LOVE this site because I get to see SOOOOO many cake ideas, whether inspirational or sad. I LOVE having experienced people out there that are so willing to share their expertise, trials and tribulations. I'm sorry for my ignorance that I didn't realize I should be leaving comments on viewed photos. Now, after reading all the posts on this subject, I get the feeling that leaving comments is expected. I appologize that I don't have enough time to look and post too. For one, the # of photos on this site is HUGE so I don't have a fraction of the time I need to post even a quickie 'good job' etc. on a fraction of the ones I like. Anybody know if I could get banned for this?
If so, I'm sorry and will only log on if I have extra time to comment (it doesn't help that my darn computer is sooooo slow too).
Honestly, I think everyone should post pics to show their talent, period. I agree with many, that if your cake is viewed, automatically take it as a positive. If it's added to someone's favorites, it's a bigger positive. If no one comments, don't be discouraged, keep doing what you love to do regardless. If you want constructive criticism, ask. Like Khoudek, I also was taught, 'If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all'. However, I'm all for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism with as much tact as you can give. I've been avoiding posting my photos because I don't want anyone leaving nice-et-tees just for the sake of it or because they feel obligated just because they viewed them. I want 100% honest comments / opinions / constructive criticism only. This is just how I am. Not to go off track, this is just an example of what I'm talking about...Recently a girl at work got her dark hair cut shoulder length and streaked with blond highlights. I thought the colors were hideous and the cut looked like a dog had chewed it off. When I came face to face with her and felt she was expecting a comment I said 'oh, you've got a new hairdo, it looks really different'; didn't blow sunshine at her and didn't tell her how bad I thought it looked. Had she specifically asked if I liked it, I would have said 'I'm sorry, I really don't'. My step-daughter got her dark hair highlighted with blong streaks too (I know it's the style), she asked if I liked it, I said no, sorry, I don't like that look, she was bummed, I let her know I was just being 100% honest and if she liked it that's what counts.
I hope I haven't offended anyone out there. I just wish everyone could comfortably share tactful, HONEST comments / opinions. How will a person know, for example, that they need to keep trying to make their roses (ex.) better if everyone keeps blowing false hope their way????
Sorry for this LONNNNNNNNNNG one.
Is there any way that we can drop this topic? Granted i am a fairly new member, but personally, I am tired of seeing these kinds of posts on the front page. I am very sad to see 2 more members leave who helped out a lot, but I can also understand people taking the comments that were made the wrong way. There were some that I stopped reading because of things that were said.
Let's please move on back to cake and cookie decorating! I LOVE this site!!!!
Personally I think those that need to vent should be allowed to do so and let this topic drop on it's own and NOT be locked.
Get it all aired out in one thread, otherwise another one will surely pop up later.
If you are sick of the thread it's simple - don't read it. However don't silence the rest of us who need to come to grips with what has happend.
to Delynn: You are not required to comment on any photos, I hope you would not be banned for that. Comment when you can and when you want to. Don't be frightned off by this bit of drama. There is no other site as informative as this when is comes to cakes, cookies, etc.
That said - please let this run it's course, it's not fair to lock something when so many others still have strong feelings. It WILL come up again if this is locked.
Miss you RB.
PLEASE NOTE:
1) I'm sure Jackie and Heath made every effort to let RisueBusiness know that she was being removed from the site. She was asked several times to post her opinions in a tactful way otherwise the consequence of her actions was her access being removed from this site. Every behavior good or bad has a consequence, something that everyone has to deal.
2) Janice was removed for reasons that are between Jackie and Heath and that do not need to be further discussed among the members.
3) There is nothing wrong posting an opinion opposite of someone else's as long as it can be done tactfully.
Now please let's move on and stay positive!
Delyn,
I have a problem downloading the pic, too slow. So I try to look at pic early in the morning or late at night, not everyone can. I try.
newcakemaker,
You may not know this but on the bottom of your screen on the left side, under goto page there is a spot you can click to stop watching this topic. I'm still discovering things on the site.
Personally I think those that need to vent should be allowed to do so and let this topic drop on it's own and NOT be locked.
Get it all aired out in one thread, otherwise another one will surely pop up later.
If you are sick of the thread it's simple - don't read it. However don't silence the rest of us who need to come to grips with what has happend.
to Delynn: You are not required to comment on any photos, I hope you would not be banned for that. Comment when you can and when you want to. Don't be frightned off by this bit of drama. There is no other site as informative as this when is comes to cakes, cookies, etc.
That said - please let this run it's course, it's not fair to lock something when so many others still have strong feelings. It WILL come up again if this is locked.
Miss you RB.
I COMPLETELY agree. This thread hasn't gotten offensive, and I think getting it locked will only cause more frustration. We are adults here.
Angie
I'm really sad about this. I PM'd RB yesterday in support of her as she was getting a blasting on another thread - and I can't believe she's been barred. I like her forthright opinions, who am I going to get honest opinions from now? It frustrates me that, when I ask for brutal honesty, I generally get (very well meaning) nice comments - I apreciate it when someone is ballsy enough to tell it straight; how else will I move on? Sad day indeed. I agree with the poster that, a long time ago, suggested there should be an area of the site set aside for people who have a tough hide - that way people can choose whether to 'go in' or not.
I'm not here as much as I used to be, though I still read sometimes and post if I think I can help someone. I don't usually post on these multi-page *discussion* type threads because, honestly, I don't have the time to follow them all. But I have to say I was surprised and very sorry to come back after some time away and see this post and the one referred to at the beginning, which made me go 
I never found RB offensive and will miss her presence. mho
I'm really sad about this. I PM'd RB yesterday in support of her as she was getting a blasting on another thread - and I can't believe she's been barred. I like her forthright opinions, who am I going to get honest opinions from now? It frustrates me that, when I ask for brutal honesty, I generally get (very well meaning) nice comments - I apreciate it when someone is ballsy enough to tell it straight; how else will I move on? Sad day indeed. I agree with the poster that, a long time ago, suggested there should be an area of the site set aside for people who have a tough hide - that way people can choose whether to 'go in' or not.
The problem is, Emma, that your cakes are so AMAZING that it would be incredibly difficult for most of us mere mortals to find anything critical to say!
I think it's pretty sad that the same people that were "so offended" by RB for "attacking" members are so quick to jump in and attack her now that she's gone.
What a shame she's gone too...I'll miss her honest although sometimes sarcastic opinions. I guess I have the same sense of humor and sarcasm and wasn't offended. I'd rather hear the truth than be told what people *think* I want to hear.
Its so sad to see yet another post like this at CC RB was a very helpful person and really knows her stuff but she was warned over & over and told how offensive she was and chose not to change at all. I hate to see anyone banned but I think we all saw it coming. I wish we could all get along but that will never happen no matter how many are banned.
Lets get back to what we love, cake!!! I wish you all a wonderful day.
I am really sad about RB being gone.....I have been appalled at the people who have constantly lined up to jump down her throat....I saw way more nasty comments directed at her (and personal attacks) than I ever saw her launch. She helped me a number of times in the forums and in PM's and I found her to be a very nice lady. I have lost a lot of respect for other members here though...and not the ones who disagree with me, but the ones who have no problem attacking her...that said do I want them gone????...NO...... I think we can all exist on this site together...if you dont like someone.....just ignore them! I didn't always agree with RB, in fact often I didnt, but I still respected her and her right to an opinion--even when it wasn't the popular one.
can someone PM me RB's email address.....I really would like to get in touch with her.
people are here asking for help. i think she is sincerely trying to do just that. i mean, hello, it IS illegal. it IS wrong. i don't think she's calling the health department on anyone. a ton of the posts on here are asking about home baking. a ton of people on here are asking how to become legal. i do believe she's just trying to help. i mean, blah blah blah, come on. like others have said if you don't want to read it, then don't.
Ok..fair enough...it is illegal and I will agree to disagree with you .
But i will say that when i first started here, it was never a huge issue...I'm legal, but i don't feel strongly about home baking or vice versa. I understand that RB does feel very strong about it, but it was stated over and over in alot of threads where no one was asking....and yes, i realize that i don't have to read it, but seriously it was her big topic in a huge amount of threads and it was kind of hard not to read it.
I don't think this should be locked....everyone is stating their opinion....in what seems to be a respectful way. I don't expect we are all going to agree on everything....but sometimes its good to have a debate and we are all adults.[/quote]
I am a newbie. I thought Cake Central was a wonderful website until I read some of the comments on this post. Hurt feelings, rudeness, along with all the other sentiments being expressed belong in a post for cake decorators who don't want to discuss cakes! This is the part of Cake Central I really do not enjoy. This type of thread is a real turn-off for me. [/img]
Janet and Sweet Results
Thanks for the info! Emmas Cakes...I totally agree a 'TACTFUL CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM CORNER' would be a great tool. Only those members that want 100% honesty should go there. If you get there and don't like what you hear, or start feeling offended, don't cry about it...just hop back over to the POSITIVE ONLY CORNER. It SHOULD be as simple as that? Curious now...is it possible for Admin. to take a vote of members who would be interested in this type of 'Corner'?
Okay guys, alot of you don't RB that well, she was here before as ThePastryDiva and caused the same problems as she was causing now. She had to leave then also. We have had many wonderful members to leave because of her and I can't say that I'm sad to see her go. There has been a few members that have been banned but I see they have found their way back....so I'm pretty sure she'll find her way back too.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but there is a tasteful way to state your opinions! It just takes a little class.
IMO ~Denise
P.S. Steph was not being rude, not everyone here knows what's been going on between them. Steph has put up with a lot of crap from her and others!!
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