Do You Say It's A Nice Cake When It's Not?
Lounge By AZCouture Updated 18 Aug 2013 , 8:37pm by scrumdiddlycakes
AIt's a great article, I really enjoy reading her blog!
I have found myself speaking up more often. Unfortunatly, sometimes you have to be a bit harsh. Like when people insist they aren't in business but sell cakes for material and minimum profit. The difficult part for me is to not take it personally, not that it hurts my feelings or that I really care what they decide to do, but that I am very passionate about what I do (I'm sure we all are, you have to be to produce a quality product) and I see the same questions over and over-I find it very frustrating.
Not because they're new, or baking illegally, or whatever but because they ask for advise then don't take it.
Then people could get their feelings hurt because nobody ever 'liked' their posts.
Then people could get their feelings hurt because nobody ever 'liked' their posts.
Yup, this is what I think would happen. There's potential for even more unpleasantness. People will keep track of Likes and create imaginary contests on who has more Likes than they do.
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Original message sent by MimiFix
Yup, this is what I think would happen. There's potential for even more unpleasantness. People will keep track of Likes and create imaginary contests on who has more Likes than they do.
yep its a great article! I don't get the people who post on the critique my cake thread and then say but be gentle?
Some of those I just don't post a critique because I'm not going to be nice and or the cake has nothing nice I can say about it. How do
you round about tell some people that cake decorating is not their talent. Especially when its their 8th cake and it still looks less worthy than a wilton class cake? I'm not saying I'm all that, but everyone has their talent just like any other talent. Just because you like to sing and 20ppl lied and told you you can sing doesn't mean you can. My husband bless his heart is one of those people and I told him so. Along with dancing those just aren't his talents.
yep its a great article! I don't get the people who post on the critique my cake thread and then say but be gentle?
I don't critique those cakes. Actually, I'm very careful in how I word my critiques so they come off as constructive and not harsh but as soon as someone says that, it tells me they really don't want an honest opinion.
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Original message sent by ddaigle
Good article...I totally agree [B]but you cant be honest here on CC or you'll get ran over by the cheerleaders. [/B] A lot of people here sugar coat crappy cakes and offer compliments about how nice it looks. [B]I have seen some crap get great reviews. I just don't comment at all. [/B] I don't have the time or patience for the fights or drama. I probably shouldn't have even made these comments.
Great article!
I am new to the forum, but not new to cake decorating. I began back in 1982, and not for nothing, but we all know when we do a good job & when we don't! No sense in asking other people. If I'm not happy with a cake it isn't making it out my door!!! LOL! Maybe that's just ME?!?! And if I'm not happy with a cake, I'll be damned if I'm going to post a picture of it anywhere!
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Original message sent by tam22670
Great article!
I am new to the forum, but not new to cake decorating. I began back in 1982, and not for nothing, but we all know when we do a good job & when we don't! No sense in asking other people. If I'm not happy with a cake it isn't making it out my door!!! LOL! Maybe that's just ME?!?! And if I'm not happy with a cake, I'll be damned if I'm going to post a picture of it anywhere!
I'm saying lol. I agree 100% I wouldn't dare send out something that's not right.
AThe problem is, there are people who do crappy work and send it out anyway, thinking it's fabulous. There is a lady in my town who is pretty proud of her work ... Let's just say, a monkey would be offended if you blamed the icing job on him.
The problem is, there are people who do crappy work and send it out anyway, thinking it's fabulous. There is a lady in my town who is pretty proud of her work ... Let's just say, a monkey would be offended if you blamed the icing job on him.
LMAO.....that's just funny. I don't care who ya are...
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Original message sent by IAmPamCakes
The problem is, there are people who do crappy work and send it out anyway, thinking it's fabulous. There is a lady in my town who is pretty proud of her work ... Let's just say, a monkey would be offended if you blamed the icing job on him.
I have been enjoying this thread and saying "ditto" to many of the comments. This thing about "being gentle" generally makes me hesitate to comment as tact is not necessarily my forte. I love to get feed back, harsh or otherwise as it only helps me to know where I can improve. I haven't reached 71 without developing a thick skin. If I remember correctly, (and sometimes that is difficult---
---) , there used to be a thread where people asked why their cakes didn't receive any comments. I find that I have more difficulty critiquing a cake than I do a painting. With painting I have a set of rules, composition, balance, etc. Cakes have a whole other set, which with your candid help, I am appreciative of. (What's that rule about ending a sentence with a preposition?!) So I tend to remain silent while inside I often think "What in the world were they thinking?"
I really learned a lot from your post, Kara. It was well written and very informative. I am going to try to offer more constructive comments in the future. Maybe 71 isn't too late to learn a little tact.
Jan
Oh, one more thing on the line of tact: My folks used to tell the story of a mother who had an incredibly ugly baby. When asked to comment, a very wise--read tactful-- gentleman replied, "Yup, that's a baby!" So that little comment became a family story to imply absolutely nothing...but got the observer off the hook. It doesn't look as funny now that I've typed it, but has given me and my sisters many a chuckle over the years.
dang , got cut off.
if the better answers were on top, then people wouldn't notice the other replies as much. More help would be gleaned from each topic.
I'm not sure the right answers would get the most 'likes' to place them on top.
Networking here is sort of like networking at work, you have to learn who to trust and whom to avoid. Group decisions of what to like doesn't always play out correctly here on threads. I've seen some bad advise get repeated over and over and good advise ignored.
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[QUOTE name="AZCouture" url="/t/762438/do-you-say-its-a-nice-cake-when-its-not/30#post_7431528"] dang , got cut off.
if the better answers were on top, then people wouldn't notice the other replies as much. More help would be gleaned from each topic.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure the right answers would get the most 'likes' to place them on top.
Networking here is sort of like networking at work, you have to learn who to trust and whom to avoid. Group decisions of what to like doesn't always play out correctly here on threads. I've seen some bad advise get repeated over and over and good advise ignored.
But a lot of times, people look at the good advice and nod, but not comment because it doesn't add much to the thread. 'Liking' the good advice should draw more attention to it though. Reddit is a great example of that
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But a lot of times, people look at the good advice and nod, but not comment because it doesn't add much to the thread. 'Liking' the good advice should draw more attention to it though. Reddit is a great example of that
What I would like is at the end of each thread you could pick if it was
Helpful or Not
Then after so many votes of NOT they could glance at it and delete it.
That would get rid of so much crap that is on here.
Or if you could chose to hide a Thread to never see it again. That would also help weed out the ones that aren't at your skill level.
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Original message sent by smittyditty
What I would like is at the end of each thread you could pick if it was [COLOR=B22222]Helpful or Not[/COLOR] Then after so many votes of NOT they could glance at it and delete it. That would get rid of so much crap that is on here.
AAlso like face book or birthboards they list who liked or hugged the post. That way you can decide if the 50 likes mean anything to you.
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Original message sent by ddaigle
Good article...I totally agree but you cant be honest here on CC or you'll get ran over by the cheerleaders. A lot of people here sugar coat crappy cakes and offer compliments about how nice it looks. I have seen some crap get great reviews. I just don't comment at all. I don't have the time or patience for the fights or drama. I probably shouldn't have even made these comments.
I'm on my phone, so I am just going to say ditto to this post, rather than write my own :-)
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Original message sent by milkmaid42
I have been enjoying this thread and saying "ditto" to many of the comments. This thing about "being gentle" generally makes me hesitate to comment as tact is not necessarily my forte. I love to get feed back, harsh or otherwise as it only helps me to know where I can improve. I haven't reached 71 without developing a thick skin. If I remember correctly, (and sometimes that is difficult---:cry: ---) , there used to be a thread where people asked why their cakes didn't receive any comments. I find that I have more difficulty critiquing a cake than I do a painting. With painting I have a set of rules, composition, balance, etc. Cakes have a whole other set, which with your candid help, I am appreciative of. (What's that rule about ending a sentence with a preposition?!) So I tend to remain silent while inside I often think "What in the world were they thinking?" I really learned a lot from your post, Kara. It was well written and very informative. I am going to try to offer more constructive comments in the future. Maybe 71 isn't too late to learn a little tact.
Jan
Oh, one more thing on the line of tact: My folks used to tell the story of a mother who had an incredibly ugly baby. When asked to comment, a very wise--read tactful-- gentleman replied, "Yup, that's a baby!" So that little comment became a family story to imply absolutely nothing...but got the observer off the hook. It doesn't look as funny now that I've typed it, but has given me and my sisters many a chuckle over the years.
Sorry but I find it amusing that some think only people with businesses should answer on the business forums. I actively choose not to have a business (knocking back orders regularly) because I DO have good business sense and am not prepared to work for what people are prepared to pay when I can earn a lot more with far less stress in my regular job. I regularly smile at the idiocy and naivety of some people who come on here and are running a business. Having a business does not mean you have good sense, good business acumen or even ability it would seem from reading a lot of the threads, the perfect examples being on pricing.
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Original message sent by cazza1
Sorry but I find it amusing that some think only people with businesses should answer on the business forums. I actively choose not to have a business (knocking back orders regularly) because I DO have good business sense and am not prepared to work for what people are prepared to pay when I can earn a lot more with far less stress in my regular job. I regularly smile at the idiocy and naivety of some people who come on here and are running a business. Having a business does not mean you have good sense, good business acumen or even ability it would seem from reading a lot of the threads, the perfect examples being on pricing.
Agreed, restrictions on who can post in specific forums are likely to turn out to be counterproductive. Better to have the value of each post judged by the community based on its content, so the majority opinion ends up promoting helpful answers over not-so-helpful ones. Given the size of CC's community there would be more than enough participants to make this work and override the tiny minority of trolls or people with grudges who would inevitably abuse the voting system.
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Original message sent by MimiFix
We would be playing Russian roulette. This is an open forum, where anyone with a kitchen is an expert.
AI say its OK and I tell them what is not right with the cake.
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