Scratch Cake Baking Trouble,please Help!

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drwendy Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 3:38am
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I'm having trouble learning to bake scratch cakes (just can't do the boxed ones anymore!). I did a chocolate cake out of Colette Peters' book which turned out perfect (though I had to bake it a lot longer than she said I would), but I can't get a yellow cake to bake right to save my life. I have tried two different recipes a total of 5 cakes and they all do the same thing. They get VERY crisp around the edges but aren't done in the middle. They get to the point that they toothpick test OK but are still unbaked in the center and fall once I've pulled them out, and yet the edges are unpleasantly crisp....not burned, but a lot more like French bread than I want my cakes to be. My oven thermostat is correct and I follow instructions to the letter using room temp ingredients. Anybody have any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

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mthiberge Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 3:44am
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I would try using a core in the middle so the heat can distribute itself evenly.

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mthiberge Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 3:47am
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wilton makes a core, you can buy them at any Micheal's stores. I've also used an upside down flower nail in the middle of my cakes and that works the same as a core. You set the flat side down on the bottom of the pan and pour the batter in. After the cake is baked and removed from the pan you can slide the nail out easily from the top of the cake.

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tyty Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 3:47am
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How large are the pans? Are you using the correct size? Do you use bake even strips around the edges? Too much batter in the pan?

I bake only from scratch, so I would need to know what you are doing in order to help.

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Canela Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 3:57am
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I use bake even strips in my pans, that way the sides don't get hard. If you don't have the bake even strips, you can put a wet folded paper towel inside a strip of alumminium foil, fold it in two, and put it around your pan. It works well. icon_wink.gif

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drwendy Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 4:00am
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Well, tyty, I'm sure that's part of my problem. I use bakestrips if I'm using my 9 inch rounds, (didn't seem to help), but I have tried a couple of "shell" cakepan cakes which have been not so hot. I fill a little over half full in that odd-shaped pan. I overfilled a 6 inch pan with the leftover batter from one of the ill-fated shell attempts, and then I learned how much smoke it takes for my alarm to go off when it ran all over the inside of my oven and set the heating element on fire! I guess my biggest issue is not the baking time (I know I have taken them out too early when they sink down in the middle after they cool off!) but that they're getting so crisp around the edges without being actually baked inside. So to sum up...I made 9 inch rounds, 6 inch rounds and the shell pan and have had this problem with all of them. Sorta getting an idea what you're up against with my spectacular baking skill, right? icon_smile.gif

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Sugarbunz Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 4:06am
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I have this happen when I put too much batter in the pan without a heating core, but it doesn't sound like this is your issue. Where can you find bake even strips?

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CakesBySandy Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 4:07am
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Try baking at 325, use a core or a flower nail in the middle, plus use the baking strips around the pan.

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lilthorner Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 4:25am
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like cakes by sandy said try baking at 325. i dont see where u said which temp u baked at, just that u followed to the t.. most recipes i have say bake at 350 and I never do

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tyty Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 7:51am
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Originally Posted by drwendy

Well, tyty, I'm sure that's part of my problem. I use bakestrips if I'm using my 9 inch rounds, (didn't seem to help), but I have tried a couple of "shell" cakepan cakes which have been not so hot. I fill a little over half full in that odd-shaped pan. I overfilled a 6 inch pan with the leftover batter from one of the ill-fated shell attempts, and then I learned how much smoke it takes for my alarm to go off when it ran all over the inside of my oven and set the heating element on fire! I guess my biggest issue is not the baking time (I know I have taken them out too early when they sink down in the middle after they cool off!) but that they're getting so crisp around the edges without being actually baked inside. So to sum up...I made 9 inch rounds, 6 inch rounds and the shell pan and have had this problem with all of them. Sorta getting an idea what you're up against with my spectacular baking skill, right? icon_smile.gif




Well I just baked a 10 inch 3 deep yellow cake. I put a little sour cream in it so it did take longer to bake. I used a bake even strip and a flower nail. It did get a dark rim around the top edge but the sides are fine.

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beachcakes Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 12:28pm
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I agree with the others that mentioned lowering your oven. Just bake a little longer.

I find that when I use the pan sprays, like Pam, I get very crusty edges. There is a recipe for cake release on this site which is excellent. It's equal parts crisco, veg. oil and flour.

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sinderella Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 4:47pm
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i completely agree with beachcakes!

I love the convience of Pam but it does go a little crusty so i go with the cake release. Keep it in its own plastic jar and label it! DH thought it was leftover icing once, he was not pleased to realize it wasn't. (ewww)

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bncncnmn Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 7:49pm
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This is the cake release that I got in class.

1/4 c. solid shortening
1/4 c. flour
2 T. liquid shortening
Mix it and put in in a bowl will stay forever
I always double this recipe.

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drwendy Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 7:53pm
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OOH, I hadn't thought about the PAM contingency. I'll try the crisco mixture next time. Does anyone know if overmixing might be part of my issue? I was wondering if maybe that has to do with it. I'm anxious to try another cake now with all these great suggestions. Cake Central people are the best!

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bncncnmn Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 8:07pm
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Has anyone tried The Ultimate Butter Cake from baking 911? It looks really good I think I am going to get snowed in our maybe even iced in thought I might try it with a strawberry filling and maybe ganache on top. I've never tried to make a cake from scratch, I guess i'm just a box kind of girl

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beachcakes Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 8:25pm
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Please let me know how you like the Ultimate Butter cake, bncncnmn. I made it once and it didnt' come out as i expected at all. Maybe it was me though.

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beachcakes Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 8:25pm
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Overmixing would cause it to have alot of bubbles and be tougher, I think. But I don't believe it contributes to the hard edges... I could be wrong.

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bncncnmn Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 8:27pm
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beachcakes, can i ask why you did not like it? I hope its not to hard with it being my first scratch cake.

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beachcakes Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 8:38pm
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Oh, I didn't mean to put you off. It's not hard to do, mine came out tasting like cornbread for some reason.

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bncncnmn Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 8:46pm
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That don't sound so good any ideas on a good butter cake from scratch that I can try?

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BooBooKitty Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 8:48pm
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There is a recipe for cake release on this site which is excellent. It's equal parts crisco, veg. oil and flour.




Oh thank you for that info. icon_biggrin.gif I just ran out of W cake release and needed to buy more. I was feeling silly for buying something I thought I could mix myself but wasn't sure how to do it.

Thanks again. icon_biggrin.gif

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ladybuglau Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 9:11pm
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if you use a heating core, won't that make a big hole in the middle of the cake??? I have a DELICIOUS white cake recipe that I use for cupcakes, and I did get that crispy edge thing when I used it to make a layered cake, and it was too much of a pain to sculpt the sides of the cake icon_sad.gif

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lilthorner Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 9:51pm
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i thought the ubc was a llittle dry as well, and I made it more than once..

one of my personal faves is wilton butter cake recipe (which is VERY close to my fav pound cake maybe thats why)

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beachcakes Posted 19 Jan 2007 , 9:58pm
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I don't have a buttercake in my repertoire yet, but i have a yellow cake i like - Barbara Kafka's Yellow Cake Layers.

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drwendy Posted 20 Jan 2007 , 3:03am
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By "liquid shortening" do you mean plain vegetable oil? And you just smear it on the pan for whatever cake you're baking? I'll make some up tomorrow and see how that goes.

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