Where In The World Does Home Depot Hide The Preval Sprayer!!
Decorating By mcalhoun Updated 15 Jan 2007 , 4:38pm by fabbo
I really don't think theese things are food safe after reading another thread posted on the 11th...It talks about the compressed air containing other things that really don't sound tasty or even EDIBLE for that matter...ether, propane, isobutane, butane etc. Ace of cakes or not they sound a little risky to me...In my humble opinion of course.
Hi, mthiberge.
That thread was closed by Heath, so it's dropped off the lead pages. I'd like for those considering this product to read through the thread, if they're so inclined.
Here's the e-mail address of Anthony Moretti from Precision Valve (makers of Preval) who personally responded to me indicating that the sprayer is NOT APPROVED FOR USE ON FOOD.
[email protected]
http://forum.cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-60261-.html
Rae
I bought mine a few months ago but have not had an opportunity to use it yet. I have seen other decorators on Food Network Challenges use something similiar and a bit larger. I wonder what they were using. If I use mine it will just be for a show cake. Of course I'd have to be able to replicate that into something edible. I have tried painting on luster before but you could see the brush strokes for sure. Plus some of the paint brush bristles were falling out and sticking! That's annoying because in order to get them off I have to use tweezers or a tooth pick to pick them off!!!
I'm curious to learn more about a food safe alternative or any opinions on a cake using the Preval that customers have given feedback on!
Amy
I really don't think theese things are food safe after reading another thread posted on the 11th...It talks about the compressed air containing other things that really don't sound tasty or even EDIBLE for that matter...ether, propane, isobutane, butane etc. Ace of cakes or not they sound a little risky to me...In my humble opinion of course.
Wilton Mist colors contane propane and isobutane and are FDA approved.
Wilton Mist colors contane propane and isobutane and are FDA approved.
Yes, the Wilton Mist colors contain those propellants, too, but the Wilton Mist colors have gone through rigorous procedures to make sure that the product remains FOOD SAFE. That may mean that the percentage of those propellants has been carefully regulated or that the delivery method is calibrated so that only an acceptable amount of those ingredients mixes in with the color spray. It may mean that those ingredients are supplied by regulated suppliers that must prove that their product is more pure than that supplied to a manufacturer making a product that ISN'T INTENDED FOR FOOD USE. It may mean that to be food safe the propellants can't come from recyclling sources or that if it is recycled, it has been purified in a particular manner so that it is safe(r) for consumption. All of these steps would be costly and unnecessary for the Preval company because it would add to the cost of production in order to use their product in a way that they hadn't wanted or intended.
It's comparing apples to oranges and it's a patently false argument to say that they are the same thing. I have silicone insoles for my shoes and silicone spatulas for my cakes. I wouldn't use my insoles (even brand new ones out of the package) to scrape my bowls because food grade silicone is very different from non-food grade. I might, however, on a bad foot day insert one of those spatulas in my shoe!
I'm sure that if the Preval company (Precision Valve, Inc.) would have wanted the sprayer used for this purpose they would have spent the $s to have it certified for such a use--and THEY WOULD HAVE TOLD ME TO GO AHEAD AND USE IT FOR FOOD APPLICATION WHEN I E-MAILED THEM.
Rae
This is what was written in the other post by you
Most canned air or compressed air products are air under pressure, some with ether as the propellent (that's why it's cold when sprayed). They don't inlcude propane (a petroleum derivative that is heavier than air) or isobutane. It is these additional propellants that are the primary concern, as they increase flammability and and don't evaporate as completely as just ether.
Rae
I am not trying to start another locked thread but in your original post to it comes across as any product containing Butane, Isobotane and Propane was bad.
Blakes cakes...the company would NEVER tell you to use a product for food preparation...they are not idiots, do you KNOW the legal trouble they would be in if they did!?? C'mon!!! let's think!!
if there was such a problem with them the would be taken OFF the market.
As far as I am concern the BOX STATES that it contains NOTHING that harms the environment, so there for it's NOT going to make me cough up a lung when I use for the Hot minute that I give my cakes a quick swipe.
all this doom and gloom is making me think of CHICKEN LITTLE! Yes...the sky IS falling..but NOT TO DAY!
Sorry, MaryAnn, that isn't how it was intended. Those are products that we come into contact with nearly every day, so I certainly can't make a claim that they are universally bad. Obviously, it's impossible to include every issue and angle in every response.
My take on the continued posts minimizing the use of this item on food is that there are those who want to be comfortable with using a non-food safe delivery system and that they want to make certain that those who are on the fence about using it adopt that comfort. I don't think it's that simple. There are other options, although perhaps not as easy and cheap as the Preval (or other forms of canned propellants that are not intended for food use) and that information needs to be circulated, too. I mentioned in another post that perhaps the only really food safe way to spray cakes is with a dedicated airbrush and compressor--not the easiest or cheapest, but safest. I stand by that.
Rae
but you cannot spray large amounts of the lustre dust and by all accounts we shouldn't be using the lustre dust eighter..
they clog the airbrush...the preval was an alternated delivery system.
Clients will be "eating" this product maybe once or twice in their lifetime and there is NOTHING in the propellant that will harm the environment.
and as ANY product that uses propellants you SHOULD take the necessary precautions, using the products in well ventilated areas...and such.
NO ONE is trying to pull anyone to the dark side of PREVAL SPRAYING ..lol
Oh, come on Risque--you're repeating yourself again--DOOM AND GLOOM, chicken little. 
Do whatever you want--it's always easier to look the other way and rationalize what makes us happy or contented, or what's easiest & cheapest. If you want to continue to use it this way and accept the liability that comes from that choice now that you've been
"given notice" as the attorney's call it, that's up to you all the way.
I read the posts, e-mailed the company, and got a response with a Federally filed fact sheet attached.
If the company wanted a food safe product, they could get it. They could market the device for 5 times the current price and still make a fortune just with the volume that Sam's Club Bakeries alone would buy in a week. Who knows, now that they know there's an internest, perhaps they'll do just that--wouldn't it be wonderful. 
You want to use it on cakes as much as I don't want it used on cakes--so be it, but I'm not going to stop participating in these discussions just to placate anyone--or to protect us all from "doom & gloom". Each person will decide their own conscience, pocketbook, whatever.
Rae
I don't know who is right and who is wrong but if it's good enough for the big cake designers like Ace of Cakes then I'm going to buy a few myself.
I think it cost the company a lot more to get an item to say it's food save they also have to be regulated by the FDA once they do and deal with law suits from crazy people who say they get sick from them and so on.
Just because it doesn't say it's intended for food use does not mean it's bad for you. Just means it has not been tested for it.
I do agree that if some don't want to risk it they shouldn't use it. But then again, they shouldn't use the dust either as it is not meant to be eaten either. Or the silver and gold dragees.
JoanneK
I agree..it costs a lot of money and time to get something FDA approved and get a tag that says safe to use on foods and even more time and effort to tests something without animal testing, and you know how that goes! they give the animals 100x's doses!!
and you're right...so...now..people are going to start reporting DUFF from Ace for using it? I think not..
The dragees have been taken off the market in California because of the "POSSIBILITY" of someone getting hurt by eating them!!!
Lustre dusts now have labels that they are not fda approved and the colors that are, we have to pay 2or 3 x's as much for them..
Me!?? I take my chances EVERY time I get out of bed in the morning! I think the ONLY one that will be affected by using the Preval sprayer would be me...by misusing it and spraying in a non ventilated room.
So...according to BlakesCakes...must we also stop using cold spray to set our chocolate or sugar showpieces?
Do we have to stop working with ISOMALT because it's chemistry has been changed so that technically...it behaves like sugar but it's NOT really sugar?
We can't spray our keyboards with canned air? We have to stop using aerosol deodorants? ANYTHING that has a propellant??
Or how about BBQ? Aren't the briquetts carcinogenic?
( well, forgive my spelling I know it sucks...and I'm dumping this subject.. Heath has already locked it once and Blakescakes seems to contradict themselves in this forum an in others...and it's getting tiresome )
I'm sorry guys I didn't mean to stir the pot. I'm now as of December 15 a red sealed chef. My schooling is complete and my marks are in!! They absolutely POUND food safety into our heads at school and righfully so. Consiquently I'm a lilltle (actually ALOT) gunshy of any possibly non food safe ways of spraying anything at my cakes. I WOULD BE PUTTING MY CAREER ON THE LINE IF I MADE SOMEONE SICK. I am only 25 and hope to have many happy, stressfull years ahead of me in a kitchen or a bakery. My career is the reason I was inquiring about the safety of theese products not to be a catalyst in a hot topic. As for the Wilton color sprays I have never used them and did not realize they also contained propane and isobutane, knowing this now I will stick with my trusty airbrusher and continue washing my hands a million times a day and hopefully have a long and happy career.
I'm sorry guys I didn't mean to stir the pot. I'm now as of December 15 a red sealed chef. My schooling is complete and my marks are in!! They absolutely POUND food safety into our heads at school and righfully so. Consiquently I'm a lilltle (actually ALOT) gunshy of any possibly non food safe ways of spraying anything at my cakes. I WOULD BE PUTTING MY CAREER ON THE LINE IF I MADE SOMEONE SICK. I am only 25 and hope to have many happy, stressfull years ahead of me in a kitchen or a bakery. My career is the reason I was inquiring about the safety of theese products not to be a catalyst in a hot topic. As for the Wilton color sprays I have never used them and did not realize they also contained propane and isobutane, knowing this now I will stick with my trusty airbrusher and continue washing my hands a million times a day and hopefully have a long and happy career.
As a CHEF and proficient in airbrushing techniques...please don't put ANYTHING but airbrush color into your airbrush...you run the risk of cloging your brush.
I know..I did it.
It took almost a 1/2 day to get it working again. Not saying it can't or shouldn't..but...lustre dust is not made to be put into the airbrush, they even formulate special color for the airbrushes.
Congratulations on completing your schooling...I know how hard and what a sacrifice it was to dedicate the time and effort to do this! 
Thanks Risque!!
Fortunately the first and only time a cloged an airbrusher it was not mine...LOL It belonged to the bakery I was working in and I had never used the darned things before. No one told me the difference between the americolor gel paste and the americolor air brush color....OOPSYYY Yep a half a day later she was up and running again!!! It never even crossed my mind to put luster dust through an airbrusher!! I'm glad I didn't come up with the idea on my own while I was working for the bakery...LOL I don't think another half day of airbrush cleaning would have been tolerated...LOL The only cake I have used luster on is the mushroom cake in my photos and it was a time consuming project with my little paintbrush...NEVER AGAIN!!! ha ha ha
"RisqueBusiness"
I agree..it costs a lot of money and time to get something FDA approved and get a tag that says safe to use on foods and even more time and effort to tests something without animal testing, and you know how that goes! they give the animals 100x's doses!!
Sure beats practicing on YOUR CUSTOMERS!
So...according to BlakesCakes...must we also stop using cold spray to set our chocolate or sugar showpieces?
DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH--I NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED ANY SUCH THING AND YOU VERY WELL KNOW IT. OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE FOOD SAFE UNLESS YOU CHOOSE TO USE THOSE THAT ARE LABELED INEDIBLE.
TRY READING MY POSTS AND ABSORBING THE FACT THAT "OFF-USE" OF CHEMICAL ITEMS CAN MEAN THAT YOU'RE USING A PRODUCT THAT HAS RE-CYCLED COMPONENTS, ETC.
Do we have to stop working with ISOMALT because it's chemistry has been changed so that technically...it behaves like sugar but it's NOT really sugar?
We can't spray our keyboards with canned air? We have to stop using aerosol deodorants? ANYTHING that has a propellant??
AGAIN, I NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED ANY OF THE FOOLISHNESS THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED --GROW UP AND GET IT RIGHT NEXT TIME. I GIVE YOU FACTS AND YOU SENSATIONALIZE AND SENSITIZE IT TO MAKE IT FIT YOUR BIASES.
Or how about BBQ? Aren't the briquetts carcinogenic?
( well, forgive my spelling I know it sucks...and I'm dumping this subject.. Heath has already locked it once and Blakescakes seems to contradict themselves in this forum an in others...and it's getting tiresome )
I HAVEN'T CONTRADICTED MYSELF AT ALL AND I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU'VE COME TO REALIZE THAT YOUR NEED TO DERIDE SOMEONE WHO TOOK THE TIME TO GET INFORMATION THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO CONCERN YOU IS, INDEED, QUITE TIRESOME.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT YOUR OWN USE OF THIS PRODUCT YOU WOULD NEVER SPEND SO MUCH TIME DEFENDING YOUR OWN POSITION AND REVELING IN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF AGREEMENT.
Perhaps now you can let others make their own decisions about using this product without interjecting ridiculous implausibilities into the discussion and attempting to paste them on me.
If anyone would like a copy of the Federal Hazardous Materials form sent to me by Preval, please PM me. I won't be responding to this particular post again--although I will refer to it if the subject comes up in another post.
Thanks,
Rae
Clients will be "eating" this product maybe once or twice in their lifetime and there is NOTHING in the propellant that will harm the environment.
I don't think that is the point.....there are lots of things that won't harm the environment but i 'm not going to put them on a cake! And i'm surprised at your position...you have on your website "foods safety must be taken seriously" and a big thing about unlicensed bakers and how customers should make smart choices to avoid being "victimized" by them....how is this any different?
The simple fact is that the company said not to use it on anything edible and that should be enough. And if some of you decide to go forward and use it anyway I hope you have really good insurance! But i guess it comes down to everyone making their own decision....i just hope you inform your customers first.
Clients will be "eating" this product maybe once or twice in their lifetime and there is NOTHING in the propellant that will harm the environment.
I don't think that is the point.....there are lots of things that won't harm the environment but i 'm not going to put them on a cake! And i'm surprised at your position...you have on your website "foods safety must be taken seriously" and a big thing about unlicensed bakers and how customers should make smart choices to avoid being "victimized" by them....how is this any different?
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because....the pot always comes on to call all the kettles black..... its in almost every post!
How many other things in cake decorating do we use that is not specifically "food safe"? We use molds and presses intended for clay, paint scrappers,......the list could go on and on. Are we liable because of these things? They are plastics and metals not labeled food grade or safe. As a novice I would like to know.
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