Don't get me started about "parents"...the kids run the household and the parents just provide food, shelter, clothing and run interference for the kids, should they get in trouble.
No wonder we have a society that shirks personal responsibility for everything!!
Boy if this is a trend with country is in big trouble.
We have created a society of "entitlement". Everyone thinks something is owed to them. 
..no one wants to start at the bottom and work their way up. Some people think that some things are "below" them. I asked one of the gals I was talking about in my original post to empty the shredder. I might as well have asked for her right arm.
cindycakes2............you are so right! If they don't learn it at home, then good luck to them!
I, too, could not stand it when my kid said, "I'm bored." I told her that bored people were boring people, then I typed up a list of "chores" on the computer to give her the next time she said that. I only had to use it once!
Dad's, too, make a huge difference. So many moms are softies/push-overs, and there's usually not a dad around to off-set that. The kids pay the price.
Dad's, too, make a huge difference. So many moms are softies/push-overs, and there's usually not a dad around to off-set that. The kids pay the price
I don't know about that....can't say I've ever been accused of being a softy or pushover...especially when it comes to running the house or disciplining the kids....I'm sure my kids and dh would be more than happy to vouch for that 
By the way I am 28 and I really don't think age has much to do with a persons work ethic, I have certainly seen both sides to the situation.....when I used to stay late and fix my co-workers gazillion mistakes because if I pointed it out I was treated like cr&p for 2 weeks...so it was just easier to correct after she went home (and she was in her 50's).....or when she went out for one of her 25...20 minute smoking breaks (but don't get me started on that)...
Now I have to agree totally!
now I also can't argue with any of the posts here, because it's all so true!
... my good friend was telling me about her work place (she's in her late thirties) how it's the older employees that mope and grip about everything saying how "too old" they are to be doing this, and how the younger employees are more qualified to do whatever it is so let them do it.... she (my friend) said how the older employees are thinking they are the high and mighty and how the crap jobs should go to the younger more vibrant ones that have their whole life ahead of them while the older ones have the cushy jobs.... One of the younger employees said she hated being treated that way, just because she was younger.
Now here's a little story. My mom will be 65 in December, and she is one of those complainers that she is too old to do this or that so she decided to retire last December. She worked for the state doing office work, and well to be exactly honest, it was a very cushy job. But she also worked part time at Walmart as a cashier, as well, and decided that too had to go. Now she wants some other part time job for Christmas,has gotten a part time job at a department store, and the store manager that hired her told her there were a lot of businesses that preferred the older employees, because they were more reliable and would work harder for less money, whereas college employees were more "untouchable" and they had to pay them more if they were hired.
KNowing that that is going on makes me wonder what really is the problem spoke of on this thread. I have seen both sides too, and I will be 42 in January. At an interview I had a week ago I was told the same thing, but they agreed to pay me more to start off because of my experience. That's comforting to know there are some that won't follow suite.
NOW, I applaud all of you for being the type of people you are, and I would hope you would rub off on those people that bother you....
My husband and I both had to work if we wanted things when we were younger...my parents went through divorce when I was ten. When I started to work, my mom had me start to help pay the bills since she was unable to work as much due to her back and such....my husband and I teach our son respect, especiially to other people. Also, we have learned that if he wants something, he can pay for part of it and it is less likely to be destroyed. Example, we bought my son a tennis racket and he has managed to lose it...we can't find it anywhere and we have looked. So my son wanted a real metal baseball bat (it was t-ball bat) my husband and I both said that if he wanted it, he could work for it and pay for it himself. He did just that and he has yet to lose it, he takes very good care of it, and I have even yet to see him leave it in our garage.
My son also wants a dirtbike, really bad. I have seen all too well in the area where I live that kids don't take care of their stuff when mommy and daddy pay for everything. They have an attitude "oh well, mommy and daddy will just buy me a new one...". My husband and I decided that if our son wanted a dirtbike, if he can save up for half of it, we will pay for the other half. Since he's 6 years old, I'm sure we can find a used one for cheap, but he still will have to save up for it.
Now I haven't been too strict on him helping with the house, but he is still a hard worker. He will help with the dishes when my husband is washing them, and if I ask him to help me with picking up things around the house, or sorting laundry he will do it.
I remember when my mil thought that it was too ridiculous to expect a 2 year old to say please and thank you. But my husband told her that he was going to be taught it, plain and simple. And now she brags about how pleasant our son is...
Responsibility does partly lay with the parents...but when you are an adult, it is up to you to change the attitude. I saw things in my parents growing up as child that I did NOT like and I made the choice NOT to be like that. The same thing with my husband.
After coming back to read all the responses, my heart is touched.
There are so many, many, many people in the world who need love, compassion, and guidance.
We all have stories of those who have hurt us or whom we have hurt. We all either come from "broken" homes or deal with people from "broken" homes. "Broken" meaning a variety of things: divorce, lazy parenting, no boundaries, etc. "Brokenness" touches every person on the planet, it seems.
I don't know about any of you but I am inspired once again to try to reach out to others around me with love and compassion and help them along this journey of life. It's good that we are doing that for one another here and I hope that it will spread to every place we go!
I'm 21 and I completely agree with what you are saying. I grew up in a household where I worked from the time I was 5, and I never got an allowance... I have never understood allowances by the way, I mean you give a kid food, cloths, and a toy every now and then, what else do they expect 
. I guess I have always gotten along with folks who are older than I. To this day my friends call me and ask me to go party with them, when I say no I have to work, or I have homework they get mad. I'm sorry my mommy and daddy don't just hand everything to me, my parents have been wonderful to me by the way but they have always taught me the value of a dollar and to always work hard. I am a full-time student, I have a full time job, and I spend on average 15 hours a week
on my cake decorating (some for money, some for practice), not to mention that for the past 6 years I have been sick (nothing terrible, just painful) that has really taken a toll on my tummy and my sleep... but I still manage to take care of things. I'm sorry that I don't enjoy spending all of my hard earned money on a girls night out where all everyone does is get drunk and act stupid (and my friends can act REALLY stupid).
And as for critisism, I get mad when people always tell me things are perfect... I mean, I know there are things wrong so when I ask for your honest opinion, give it to me, THATS WHY I ASK!! Sorry for getting a irritated but there are a lot of things that really bother me when it comes to this topic.
I'm probably going to get my head bit off here, but just want to put in my 2 cents. I'm 32, and growing up we didn't do half the stuff that kids pull today. I don't actually remember my parents ever telling us "right from wrong" we just knew it. As an adult, it was probably just the way they acted and conducted their lives. I think the biggest problem is that parents don't spank their kids anymore. My parents did, and let me tell you, it only happened a few times. After that the threat of it was enough to make us behave. It's too bad that there are those that take spanking beyond what it should be and cross the line into abuse. I actually have a friend of mine who had her son taken out of the house by DSS because she spanked him. That was in December and she is still jumping through hoops to get him back. It too bad that even those that believe in it don't do it because of fear that their kid will be taken out of the house.
Like someone said earlier (sorry, can't remember who) if we got in trouble in school, it was worse when we got home. I also think that praising every kid even though they did bad is ridiculous! Like little league tryouts where every kid gets on a team even if they play bad. When I was a kid, not every kid made the team - we learned how to deal with it.
Anyway, just wanted to rant and put my 2 cents in.
~Chelle
Tell your employees to suck it up and quit being babies. Remind them you are their supervisor and you all have jobs to do.
Everyone has problems and sometimes gets stuck in a rut. But you have to keep on truckin'! Perhaps you should encourage them to do so.
I know exactly what you mean. I am 32 and currently work from home. Couldn't be happier about that because working in the office was driving me nuts. It seems to me that these people lack the skills to handle conflict like adults. It seemed in my office these young women were always going to the supervisor's because this one looked at them wrong, or this one said something that hurt their feelings, blah, blah, blah. I had one of them do this to me about something. After the supervisor talked to the whole group of us about it I went to the girl and said hey, if you have a problem with me or something I say to you please feel free to come to me about it, as it could easily be a simple misunderstanding. It's like working with a bunch of 3 year olds.
Speaking of spanking's, did anyone else have to pick out and cut thier own switch from a tree? I did, but I never called the police on my parents for it. When I was in school I remember the principal carrying a big wooden paddle in his back pocket... and that wasn't to long ago either. Things have changed quick. I don't have kids yet but when I do they will be diciplined in the same ways that I was.
Ohh! And I can't stand to watch that super nanny show where the moms think that talking nicely to their completely out of control kids is going to work. If they had their a$$ busted a couple of times they would start to listen a little better.
By the way, I'm not saying beat the kids, I'm just saying enough to cause discomfort so they won't be tempted to misbehave agian. My parent's never beat me but I did get a few good spankings, and I think they are a perfectly acceptable form on punishment.
I wanted to chime in here too.
I am 27 and a former special education teacher in a public school (8th grade). I am now a stay-at-home mom of a 2-year old and one on the way.
If you think that my generation is bad, just wait until the next couple generations grow up and enter the workforce. These are the kids that have always had cell phones and all the latest gadgets just handed to them.
My students, keep in mind were in 8th grade, couldn't even write a paragraph. It was like pulling teeth to get them to even complete an assignment. When I would call home, I would get little to no support. Even within the school system, there wasn't much that could be done. These kids want to be entertained and don't have an internal drive to succeed. They merely want to survive and get through it. I am scared to see how these kids will turn out.
God help us!
I want to make sure that my children learn both success and failure. I want them to become productive members of society who are confident in who they are. They will not be handed everything that their hert desires.
Okay....enough of me rambling on!
RisqueBusiness wrote:
IHATEFONDANT.
I guess you're going to have to become a "HEAD CHEERLEADER" at your job! lol
maybe, put out a flyer in the break room...
"EGO STROKING"
from 1:00 pm to 1:10 pm
Ego stroking will now be held promptly from 1 to 1:10. If you chose to absent yourself from this group activity know that your quota does NOT roll over and you will lose your ego boost for the day.
You will have to attend the next day to get your fill. I can only manage these 10 minutes out of my day do stroke and massage your low self image as I, unlike those of you getting your ego stroked am doing the REAL work in this company!
I suggest that you forfeit your daily 10 minutes of ego stroking without predjudice, complaints to the union or higher ups and GET YOUR A$$ back to work to become productive members of this team.
Thank you,
Have a great day!"
Tee hee
OMG, RB! I completely concur with your sentiments, exactly! I have dealt with spoiled brats throuhout the years, and I have to tell ya, what a pain in the a##!! I am now called the Ice Princess at work and I really don't care at this point. After all, it's not a popularity contest, right? I have a line of expectancy and they either meet it or they get out. Yes, I have compassion, I have empathy and sympathy, but I no longer have patience for those that will not do anything to better themselves yet expect people to respect them and cater to them. I am tired of ego stroking and babying when we have so much work to get done. Also, there are soooooooo many gals that call in sick ALL THE TIME. What's that about? They have no respect for the office environment and I hate it.
I love the idea of posting a sign. It is tooooooooooo funny!
You ALWAYS make me laugh Risque Business!!!
Well, I'm 49 and was a single mom to my daughter, who is now 28, since she was 2 years old. Her father lived in a different state and I had no family support while raising her. The only support system I had were a few co-workers and the wonderful people from our church (a large non-denominational church). I worked shift work, but when I worked graveyards, I was ALWAYS home and awake until my daughter went to school in the morning and up before she came home. My sitter worked with me at the police department and her husband watched our three kids while we worked in the evenings. I was very strict with my daughter....she knew who the boss was (and is....). She never "sassed me"....LOL. She knew better. Anyway, she is a college graduate and has been happily married for six years (no kids yet). She doesn't have to work because her and my son-in-law have managed their money so well that she can choose to work or not work. They just bought their third house and she is going to start her own pet sitting/walking business soon.
I, too, believe that we are a product of our upbringing. And I think we turn out just like our parents or just the opposite of them. My mother was married and divorced twice and was a workaholic. My parents were never around when I was a kid. I was determined that when I had kids I was NOT going to be that way. My daughter went to public schools and they did a FINE job with her. A strict principal with rules that did not get broken or there were consequences. With parental support to back him. I also believed in keeping my daughter busy. Marching band, sports, church youth group. If you keep them busy with good things they don't have time to get in trouble (remember that young moms!). My daughter ALWAYS knew I loved her because I was ALWAYS there for her. And there was no doubt about who was in charge. She had no cell phone, no designer clothes, no car (until senior year of high school when we shared a car). Now she is so frugal it makes me look like a big spender !!!
Thanks for listening. Just want to give a big praise to all parents out there who still believe in family, God and country (sounds sappy I know). But it's what I believe. It's the backbone of our society. And we seem to have turned into a "anything goes" world, haven't we ??? If it feels good, do it 
Keep up the good fight, everyone, and yes, let's encourage those who need our help. They are whiney but there is a way to support them without getting irritated (most of the time anyway, LOL). Just set boundaries and stick to 'em. Kids, even the 30 year old ones, look to us older folks for encouragement, support and taking the right path.
God Bless!
Suzanne
I wholeheartedly agree with everyone. How you are raised has a lot to do with how we turn out. I NEVER spoke back to my mother even though I was taller and bigger than her by the time I was 10 years old. Why? Because she beat my $#@ when I needed it so I had fear instilled in me. And remember when it was okay for your neighbor to yell at you & send you home if you were causing hell in the street? You try that now & my God...World War III would break out! I, too, raised my 4 kids with fear and respect for me & others. I used to tell them if they got in trouble at school, that would be NOTHING compared to what I would do to them. Never had any of mine sent home! They learned thank you, you're welcome and Please. I firmly believe it takes a Village to raise a child.
I work at a court school where I see dysfunctional parents for most every student here. They make excuses why it's everybody else's fault but not their kids. My favorite saying is "tell it to the Judge."
Yes, the younger generation do seem to whine & complain but I've also worked with women my age (45) who do also. I do have some posters above my desk which of course I never seem to get any comments on. They must be blind along with spoiled. I put in my 8 hours and go home and relax by baking cakes 
I used to work as a HR mgr where part of my job was dealing with grievances (if you ever see a job like that advertised run for the hills) and now I have my own business with a few employees and I think I have just about seen it all and from both young employees and older ones. I had one girl about 30 who wanted to lodge a grievance because no-one in the dept wanted to have lunch with her 
then there are the older workers who retire from doing any work long before they actually leave the job and I currently have a mature age apprentice (40s) that has a real attitude and thinks a lot of things are beneath him.
I have had young and older workers who go out and get drunk and either don't show up or show up hungover and cranky and I have had some great young and great older workers. When I was investigating grievances the majority when you dug down were basically people who clashed or couldn't get along and the whole thing had escalated into nastiness. I used to say to my DH when I got home why can't people just come to work do their job (a fair days work) and go home without all the drama and I am still wondering about that....
Unfortunately. there are too many parents who want to have a "perfect child" rather than realizing that when they give birth to that "perfect child" their job is to turn that child into a functioning and capable adult. And doing that is hard work filled with pitfalls and snares. It is much easier to blame the_______ for the problem rather than recognizing that your "perfect child" needs his/her attitude adjusted or that you, the parent, need to put a little effort into showing him/her proper behavior by example. You aren't raising children, you are raising adults.
I loved reading these posts. My parents were strict. We weren't just given things. We had to earn them and treat them with repsect. We didn't really have too many chores to my way of thinking. Other people would have complained about what we did, I assume. We didn't feel stifled in any way. Our children at age 2 and 4 are required to say their please, thank you, and may I's. We just look at them like we don't understand what they are saying if they forget. They are never too young to learn. They also are required to do some chores of sorts. Keep their toys/room picked up. Take their clothes to the laundry basket and empy it when full. Help unload the dryer and help Dad carry out the trash. Thankfully at this age they think it is fun. As they get older more will be added. Ocassionally they might receive a quarter for helping but not always.
Unfortunately I have one of those DH's who takes all days off given to him almost as soon as he gets them. He always says he has reasons behind them but I never understand. I am a SAHM and finally told him I never wanted to hear from him how he thought I could not handle his job if I were to do it. If he wants to switch me places I would do it although I feel it's my place to be home with the kids. I was always taught to stay at your work unless you were very ill. They few jobs I worked I did this. I lost the last one because they thought I should be at work while I was sick (at a daycare no less). But hopefully DH finally understands why I don't like him missing work unless he is ill. Enough of my ranting...lol.
Reading through even the first page of replies has me scared that winter is going to be here soon and I have to deal with all of the whining ninny parents whose kids can do NO wrong! I kid you not, we will have kids caught in the back area of our ski area with no lift ticket, ADMIT they didn't buy one, the PARENTS dropped them off, but don't think they should be charged with Theft because it'll go on their record or "we'll just pay for the lift ticket now" and we should let them just ski for free the rest of the night... Um, YEA, should have thought about this BEFORE you decided to sneak in without paying! We don't care if the kid's record is going to be tarnished, they're going to get a slap on the wrist anyways and it'll go away the day they turn 18. Same goes for the kids doing more than I have space to type (destruction of property, dangerous to themselves and others, theft, etc.).
UGH!! I can say though, what's worse than going through that is putting people with this mentality in charge of departments. They're more focused on being buddies with the people they're suppose to be supervising that when they need to fire someone or correct a problem they physically can't do it and it ain't pretty when someone with some 
steps in!
Oh, I feel your pain! 
But, I still LOVE 5-second motivational speaking "GET YOUR *** BACK TO WORK BEFORE I FIRE IT!" ...if only I could use it sometimes 
I haven't read every post indepth, so if this has been said already...sorry.
But I blame the parents who use the "Time Out" method. I think to many parents want to reason with the young kids, that is not discipline. A pop on the bottom gets their attention a lot more the the time out method. A lot of kids now a days are just spoiled little brats.(My 17 year old just broke up with her boyfriend, and he was mad because my husband wouldn't let him see my daughter after they broke up and he started cussing at my husband because of that. He was an only child until the age of 11 and gosh it shows. If he didn't get his way he would pout around.)
Well my kids weren't raised thinking everything will go there way, and money grows on trees. They were raised that hard work and good grades is the way to go.
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