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Decorating By krysoco Updated 6 Sep 2006 , 12:16pm by nikinimal

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krysoco Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 1:56pm
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1. Questions about stacked cakes. I've read the article on this site about it. So just for clarification... The middle layer is on a cake board on top of dowel rods sitting on the bottom layer right? Then the first (top) layer is on a separator plate on top of dowel rods sitting on the middle layer. That's what I gathered from it.

2. What size dowel rods do you use? Does it depend on the size of the cake layers? If you use bigger sized dowels, can you use less rods in the cake? How do you get all your dowel rods exactly the same height?

3. Does the type of support (cake board, separator plate, etc.) and covering ( foil, freezer paper, etc.) have any effect on how the actual cake turns out?

Sorry so many ?'s. I'm just starting out here. icon_smile.gif

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Steady2Hands Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 2:10pm
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1. Yes ~ you need support for each tier. That includes a separater plate and dowels for each tier. An exception for the top tier: if there will be a heavy object on the top tier it will also need to be doweled and the object supported to keep it from crushing the cake.

2. My preference is straws b/c they are easy to cut. They haven't failed me yet. Others prefer wooden dowels.

3. Yes ~ the cake could collapse without proper support. If you use cardboard be sure it is completely covered (top & bottom). If not covered, the cardboard will soak up moisture. Pressure from above tiers will push the uncovered cardboard through the dowels and will also cause the cake to collapse.

So you're just starting out? You've come to the right place! thumbs_up.gif

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AmyBeth Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 2:18pm
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I have heard other people mention straws. You mean regular disposable plastic drinking straws? Do you use a lot of them to support the next cake? Those cakes get really heavy!
I hate trying to get the dowels exactly even. I think straws would be much easier, I like the concept!

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mlynnb Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 2:26pm
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I know there are alot of people who like to use straws (yes, they are talking about the regular disposable straws), but they didn't work for me. My cake didn't hold up....I don't know, maybe I didn't do it right, or use enough straws? I'll stick with the regular wooden dowels for now. I think the main thing is to find what works for you. icon_wink.gif

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Steady2Hands Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 2:28pm
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I started with wooden dowels but they were a pain for me. My husband would cut them with a power saw. Most of the time though, I would need them in the late night hours icon_eek.gif and I wouldn't wake him to cut the dowels.

My MIL is a former cake decorator who worked for a wedding business/bakery. They always used straws. At first I was hesitant but after struggles with the wood I gave the straws a try. I've been using them ever since.

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You mean regular disposable plastic drinking straws?



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Do you use a lot of them to support the next cake?



I use the same amount as you see in the instructions for doweling.

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cupcake55 Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 2:28pm
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I used to use dowels but I now use bubble straws. They are a big fat straw and are much easier to cut than dowels. They have worked great for me.

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mlynnb Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 2:38pm
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cupcake55-where do you get bubble straws? Maybe I should give those a try. It sure would be easier to use than wooden dowels!

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cupcake55 Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 3:08pm
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I bought a bunch of packages on eBay. You can also get them on the following website. They are $1.99 a pkg.

http://www.bubbleteasupply.com/store/store.php3?item_id=2


You can also do a search on the internet for more places to purchase.

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mlynnb Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 3:13pm
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cupcake55-thankyou so much for that link!!! I'm going to order some today!

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SweetConfectionsChef Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 3:15pm
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I always use wood. You can buy a tool at Lowe's for about $10 that looks like plyers...they cut right through the wood with about 5 squeezes of the handle. My best advice is to try the two methods and see which one you like the best...

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MaryBun Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 3:19pm
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How in the world do drinking straws not collapse? The drinking straws I buy are very flimsy. It doesn't seem logical that they could support a multi-layer cake.
I'm not doubting every one's advice, I'm just curious...and perplexed icon_confused.gif

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Steady2Hands Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 3:40pm
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How in the world do drinking straws not collapse? The drinking straws I buy are very flimsy. It doesn't seem logical that they could support a multi-layer cake.




It doesn't make sense to me either but I trusted my MIL's advice (she's a good MIL icon_biggrin.gif ). It sure has saved me a lot of headaches.

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cupcake55 Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 5:52pm
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I was skeptical, too, until I tried the bubble straws. They are heavier than regular straws. It is sure easier to cut them, just a snip of the scissor. I have never tried regular straws but I may if I am ever out of the bubble straws.

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AmyBeth Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 6:50pm
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What are bubble straws??

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cupcake55 Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 7:19pm
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They are a big fat straw used for drinking bubble tea. I think the tea has tapioca or something in it and you have to use a big straw to drink it.

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AmyBeth Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 7:33pm
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So, if you use bubble straws to support the cake, what do you use to keep the layers from shifting? Do you still stick a dowel down the center?

I really like the hidden pillars, just because of the fact that I know that the cakes won't move and I can transport the cakes seperately. I don't like that it is harder to get them the same exact length.

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krysoco Posted 5 Sep 2006 , 9:57pm
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But what size dowels does everyone use????

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SweetConfectionsChef Posted 6 Sep 2006 , 1:02am
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You can buy the Wilton dowel rods that come in a package in the cake decorating section. Or if you prefer, you can buy longer ones in the craft section at Walmart and cut those down. You'll have to check the diameter on the wilton one's....I don't remember their size...to get something comparable.

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nikinimal Posted 6 Sep 2006 , 12:16pm
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Hi,
Recently I got Sylvia Weinstocks Sweet Celebrations and she uses drinking straws to stack cakes, if I was not sleepy when I read the book. And her cakes can be meterhigh.

I thought I would stick to my wooden dowels but try to insert them into a drinking straw so the cake would not touch the dowel whenever I will do a tiered cake.

Then she had a building cake picture and structure, there the dowels were wooden rods and the bases were plywood.

Even if I stack 3 tiers of a light sponge filled with mousse I do not want to rely on drinking straws if I am selling the cake.

Wish you all good luck. Niki

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