Check For Your Cake Photos

Decorating By ShirleyW Updated 21 Jun 2007 , 12:18am by ShirleyW

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ShirleyW Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 2:50pm
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Seems we have another one. This website is filled with cake photos that were not made by the website decorator. I see many I recognize as Ron Ben-Israel, Charm City Cakes, Fancy Cakes By Leslie, etc. etc. as well as several from members of Sugar Buzz forum. You may find one of yours there as well.
http://www.thecakeladytn.net/page_1174393998000.html

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MichelleM77 Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 3:00pm
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Yikes!!

This is kinda on the same line.....

I have seen a lot of websites in the last week or so that clearly have pictures from other websites. You can tell which pics are their's and which are from other cake decotators because they are clearly pics from professional photographers. I've even some pictures from the Wilton website on other cake decorator's websites. Why do people do this and isn't it illegal?

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ShirleyW Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 3:20pm
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I don't know that you can copyright a cake design, but I believe you can a photograph. If taken by a professional photographer you may even have to credit them, I am not sure. If nothing else I would call it unethical.

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MichelleM77 Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 4:25pm
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No credits given that I have seen. I doubt Wilton would let someone use their photos either. Maybe. I don't know, I just know I wouldn't dare try that!

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springlakecake Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 4:37pm
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I am starting to see HERE in the cc gallery people are uploading pictures that I have seen on other websites. I really just dont get that. Do they really benefit from the praise they get here knowing they didnt do the cake???? icon_confused.gif

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mixinvixen Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 4:38pm
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holy cow, that person is in the next town over from me!! i find it disturbing that someone would put pictures on their cake site that is someone elses work. it doesn't make any sense to advertise on your home page for someone else, so the only thing that makes sense to me is that this person is trying to pass it off as their own work, which is degrading and also misleading to the customer.

i'll take this info and keep it for future "reference".

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roxxxy_luvs_duff Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 4:39pm
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The pink blossom cake looks like the one in the Martha Stewart wedding book from this year

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oneprimalscream Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 4:41pm
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There's a number - should I call her up and ask her if using other people's work has boosted her business? icon_smile.gif

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roxxxy_luvs_duff Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 4:42pm
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holy cow, that person is in the next town over from me!! i find it disturbing that someone would put pictures on their cake site that is someone elses work. it doesn't make any sense to advertise on your home page for someone else, so the only thing that makes sense to me is that this person is trying to pass it off as their own work, which is degrading and also misleading to the customer.

i'll take this info and keep it for future "reference".




I agree I think she is trying to pas these cakes off as hers when hers might be nowhere near as good as some of those cakes

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debster Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 4:45pm
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Some people, Man I wish one of mine was worthy enough to get copied though..............hahahahahahaha I know what you mean though. I want to start a web site but with my work, I do have some different cakes on Cd's for ladies to look at but I let them know which I've done and which I have not. I don't lie and this is a form of lying and cheating to me.

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mnmmommy Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 4:49pm
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I am starting to see HERE in the cc gallery people are uploading pictures that I have seen on other websites. I really just dont get that. Do they really benefit from the praise they get here knowing they didnt do the cake???? icon_confused.gif




I noticed that too over the weekend on this website. There was someone that had pics from one of my favorite sites that I got to, she had about 4 or 5 of them. I used the report photo button on Sat night and by the time I went to on cc Sunday the photos were gone. thumbs_up.gif

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springlakecake Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 4:55pm
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might be the same person. I reported some photos as well this weekend.

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Lostinalaska Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 4:59pm
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I really don't see why anyone cares, if you know they are not theirs move on, people will find out on there own. I find it easier to roll my eyes and just move on.

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OhMyGoodies Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 5:05pm
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For future reference and for those who will find that their photos have been "stolen", I use a program called umark lite. It's a free program that puts a "watermark" on your photo (see my photos for an example) and it's impossible to remove it without messing up the picture unless you've got some real time on your hands to depixelize the pics and so on... and someone that can't even make a decent cake to take their own pics.... can't figure out how to get a watermark off lol....

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roxxxy_luvs_duff Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 5:06pm
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i dont think most people would find out on there own that is why the link is posted in this forum so people could take a look

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Melody25 Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 5:20pm
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I was just looking through some of them...If you look in the grooms cake section there's an absolutely amazing cowboy hat cake. Then if you look in the kids cakes theres another cowboy hat cake thats so-so. If they're done by the same person wouldnt you think the cakes would be consistent in the way they look?

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roxxxy_luvs_duff Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 5:25pm
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ya i noticed some of he the cakes dont really look good and some look very professional if i seen this site i wouldnt want to order a cake

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springlakecake Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 5:45pm
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Just saw another thread going about this under a different forum.

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ShirleyW Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 5:49pm
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She must be getting the message, nearly all of the wedding cakes are gone, as well as cakes in other categories. I see all of the ones by Fancy Cakes By Leslie have been removed. I guess Martha hasn't been in touch with her yet, the pink blossom cake is still there.

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Janette Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 6:40pm
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I really don't see why anyone cares, if you know they are not theirs move on, people will find out on there own. I find it easier to roll my eyes and just move on.




This is so what I've always thought. I don't know exactlly how to word it, but I don't get why it is such a problem.

Ok, I'm going to get beat up for this one. And, this is not just a response to this thread I have seen this over and over again on other threads.

I first wonder if she just doesn't know that it is a concern. Someone starting their web-site and wants to show cakes that she can do put hasn't yet made them may use pics that she has found. I wouldn't do it myself. But, maybe she didn't think she was doing anything wrong. Did anyone message her to explain that it may offend some people?

I could easily do something stupid not knowing. If someone approches me and explains it I will be grateful and correct whatever I did immediately. But, if I felt ganged up on then I would go on the defensive.

Personally I am not going to put a pic of a cake that I did not do. That would be lying to my protential customer. What happens if that's the one they want and I find I can't do it like the pic for whatever reason. I'm going to look really bad.

It's hard to explain how I look at this. Let's say my cake pic was nice enough that someone wanted to use it on their site, what harm has this done? I know I did it, they know I did it and who else could possible care.

I just have to shake my head how some can get all bent out of shape over a cake. I may see a cake here that I like and I may have seen it in a magazine or a book and want to make one like it.

Not long ago a member was in a tissy because someone copied her cake, she thought she created the design herself. I had seen the cake elsewhere so it wasn't exclusively hers, she was in the wrong. What is all the fuss about?

The only thing I can suggest if it bothers anyone that much then don't put your pic on the inter-net. Anything you put on the inter-net is fair game that has been proven in court cases.

Just a personal pet peeve that I have, if someone puts a watermark across their cake pic I don't care how much I like it I won't leave a comment. It just comes across negative to me. That's just a "me" thing, sorry.

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CakesbyMonica Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 6:53pm
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But if some of the cakes are taken down, then she obviously knows she has offended others by using their cakes, why would she not question the others she has "taken"? If so and so AND the other person complained maybe this is wrong?

Plus in this day in age with all the copyright lawsuits and such, people know you aren't supposed to use other people's images. icon_smile.gif

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Doug Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 7:03pm
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for those who don't see what all the fuss is about:

FALSE advertising for starters -- she's opening herself up to all kinds of lawsuits.

second: copyright laws -- she doesn't own the photos and therefore has no right to republish them -- that's why on CC, unless it is our own photo, we're supposed to LINK to it.

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ShirleyW Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 7:06pm
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I really don't see why anyone cares, if you know they are not theirs move on, people will find out on there own. I find it easier to roll my eyes and just move on.



This is so what I've always thought. I don't know exactlly how to word it, but I don't get why it is such a problem.



Personally I am not going to put a pic of a cake that I did not do. That would be lying to my protential customer. What happens if that's the one they want and I find I can't do it like the pic for whatever reason. I'm going to look really bad.


Just a personal pet peeve that I have, if someone puts a watermark across their cake pic I don't care how much I like it I won't leave a comment. It just comes across negative to me. That's just a "me" thing, sorry.




Reading that one comment says it all. Pesonally you would not do this because you consider it lying to a customer. And that is exactly what she is doing. Why would I be upset? Because she didn't just link the customer to that persons website and say "Here is a design you might like, made by so and so, here is a link to her website" You don't take someones photo from their website and post it on your own with no credit to the original designer. It says to someone looking at your website that you created that cake, you are capable of making an exact or very close duplicate for them. Should I have posted the photo of the Fist Of Rock cake I made and not credit Duff Goldman? He created that design, I didn't. But I did email him and ask his permission to make that cake and post a photo of it on CC. He generously agreed and offered help if I needed it. Now, if I had not credited him, would you just assume I thought that design up on my own? Maybe. And would that be fair to Duff? Not in my opinion. Many of us recreate cake designs, but most people will credit the original designer if they know who that is. Worse yet, what if I had gone to Charm City Cakes website, copied the photo of Duffs cake directly from there and posted it here with no explanation that this was not a cake I made, but a picture of one I had taken from Duffs website? It is unethical in my eyes.

Using a watermark could be considered a "Me" thing, but it is people who do take photos and post them on their websites that forces others to have to use a watermark at all. And even that doesn't stop some people, because this woman removed the original watermark and put her own little saying on the cake photo to cover it up.

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cocorum21 Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 7:12pm
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Maybe the title of this post should have been: For those interested....check for your photos.

I don't see why people get upset because others are upset. If this topic bothers you then icon_rolleyes.gif & move on. If you don't care if your photos are being used great! but.... some people do and let's not make anyone feel as if their feeling are petty because you feel as if this is an unnecessary topic.

And this is what a message board is for, sharing information. How do you suppose that all the people that did have their photos used would have found out?

I agree maybe this person didn't know but now she does. Move on.

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ShirleyW Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 7:21pm
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lillykaci1 Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 7:31pm
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I'm with yall I just don't understand people trying to pass other people's work off as their own.

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OhMyGoodies Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 7:38pm
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I don't understand what is being meant by the whole watermarking is considered a "me" thing.... I watermark all of my pictures because 1 they are submitted online on CC 2 they are submitted online on my website for customers to view. By stating that the image is copywritten to me, that means plainly and clearly that I made those cakes and I took that picture myself. Professional photography companys put a PROOF watermark so you can't duplicate their photos without paying for originals, and they also use special paper that has their mark on the back of it so it can't be said to be someone elses work.

And not commenting on someone's photos because they choose to watermark thier images... well if that's the case I can do without your comments on my cake anyway... (you meaning anyone) I don't post my pictures for comments and kudos and carrying on I post them for others to have ideas and such and I also post them so that if I need to make something better I can get help on that.

I think the fact that this woman stole pictures and knowingly posted them on her website is wrong. There is no way it could be accidentally done. I've done many many websites in the past 10 years and it's impossible for something to be placed on a website unless you yourself the web"master"/editor puts it there. I think it's great that two different threads are going about this woman, she has big ones for doing such things as taking from Charm City Cakes and posting like someone wouldn't know! I think it's great that someone took the time to post this so that others can know that thier pictures are being used. Why does everyone complain when someone does this? I mean if you don't like that the thread is open don't read it and move on. If it doesn't pertain to you move on. Why post a negative comment to the thread just because you're upset because of whatever reasons... it doesn't pertain to me but I think it's wonderful that someone had the kindness to post for other CC'ers who may be being used here to be notified....

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mixinvixen Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 7:39pm
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how can something be "inadvertently" added to a website advertising my business, unless i authorized them to be included? and it wasn't just one, but many...i think she's just nervous about all the attention it was receiving from our community.

i think why it bothers so many is probably the reason it would bother me. i put alot of time into my designs, i spend time away from my family, i spend entire days sometimes standing in my kitchen pouring my love into this cake. all my efforts, though, are denied validity, when someone else claims my work as theirs.

now don't get me wrong...i've never been copied; i haven't even had the time for my husband to sit down and help me upload my pics, but i can definitely see why it would bother me if it happened.

just my two cents...

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moralna Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 7:41pm
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I personally don't agree nor would I do what this person has done - if for no other reason, she may get an order for a cake she posted that "belongs" to someone else and she thinks she can do but finds out that she can't get it exactly as the creator of the cake - then not only she looks foolish but she disappoints a customer.

It's funny because a few months ago, I attended a class with Toba Garrett and this particular subject of copying cakes came up and as a matter of fact, she herself said that her cakes have been copied constantly but there really is nothing she can do because a cake design cannot be patented. As a matter of fact, she even mentioned that many of her cakes have been published in bridal magazines without her permission (though they do give her the credit) and still there is nothing she can do and so she just considers it free advertising - though, I do want to reiterate that I do understand how someone would get upset if someone used their cake idea and at the very least not get some credit for it.

I am sure that had this person put up all of these cake pictures with a side bar somewhere saying that these were cake designs she admired, given the credit to the person who originated the design and then told her customers . . . "if you would like me to replicate this cake. .. " I am sure that this would not have been so offensive to anyone.

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Janette Posted 18 Jun 2007 , 8:10pm
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Maybe the title of this post should have been: For those interested....check for your photos.

I don't see why people get upset because others are upset. If this topic bothers you then icon_rolleyes.gif & move on. If you don't care if your photos are being used great! but.... some people do and let's not make anyone feel as if their feeling are petty because you feel as if this is an unnecessary topic.

And this is what a message board is for, sharing information. How do you suppose that all the people that did have their photos used would have found out?

I agree maybe this person didn't know but now she does. Move on.




Please, accept my apology.

You are right, I should not have expressed my opinion I sould have just moved on. At the time I couldn't help but wonder if this person was givien a fair chance to correct a mistake. This is none of my business and I do not have the right to add my thoughts.

Humans can be a foul animal they tend to concern themselves with things using energy that can be put to better use. People are quick to judge without taking time to justify. Perhaps I made that mistake.

Again, my appologies

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