Allergy Related Cake Question

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moydear77 Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 2:33pm
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I have a client that has svere allergy to nuts soooo---She cannot have
-Soy
-all nuts
-any nut oil including Vegetable oil??

Anyone have any reipes or thoughts. This has been a strange week with many special request----HELP!

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chestercheeto Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 3:16pm
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i have used Mazola Corn Oil for a child allergic to peanuts. his mother used to bake Duncan Hines mixes for him too, but i'm not sure if it contains soy ingredients. hope that helps some.

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moydear77 Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 3:43pm
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Thanks so much. I am going to do scratch because Duncan hines cakes are produced on the same line that produces peanut products. I was thinking corn oil, olive oil or canola oils.

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dodibug Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 3:48pm
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Just a thought-is her allergy so severe that you can't use the same utensils that have touched other things that may have touched nuts? Some peoples allergies are that sensitive.

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moydear77 Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 4:05pm
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She says it is severe but sha ate a cupcake that one of my other clients gave to her and it had Veg oil, Soy and it had products produced on a nut line. I heard that if you sanitize everything real well than you are ok. I know that it can leave residue from the oil.

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oceanspitfire Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 4:07pm
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I'd definitely stay away from all boxed mixes too lol, they have no guarantee that they are nut free or made in a nut-free environment. And only recently do you see SOME of them say on the bottom 'may contain traces of nuts'

For nut allergy recipes I use coconut baking oil- (coconut oil in solid form) (coconuts despite the name are not nuts, they're fruit)

If you're buying another type of oil product, you'd have to check with the manufacturer and make sure they don't make other oils on the same manufacturing oil that could cause cross contamination.

Any hydrolyzed plant or veggie protein is probably made from soy. wheat or corn and in rare cases with peanuts. But under current regulations, if it's made with peanuts it does not by law have to say so on the food label - eg hydrolyzed peanut protein Food labelling is REALLY iffy with regards to allergies. Those things are under review, but a large mainstream number of people having allergies is a FAIRLY new thing and up until pretty recently you were on your own and just had to avoid eating anything y ou were unsure about.

But for instance with things like MSG (monosodium glutamate)(an allergen to MANY people) is and can be hidden in food label ingredient lists under one of up to around 100 names.

Labelling is still really sticky- anyway sorry to go off on a tangent lol. This is a fairly big subject for you pros who have paying customers. I've had allergies and lots of friends/family for years who have various allergies and done TONS of research on the subject of labelling etc.

Nut allergies are the worst for product cross contanimation.

Your customer must have a list of things her kid likes that she can tell you so you can tailor your cake recipe accordingly. (Since for instance you can't use chocolate)

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cakesbyjess Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 7:27pm
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Not to be a downer, but ... I've had several orders from people with severe allergy restrictions. I have declined every order. No matter how careful you are, there is still a chance that there could be a trace of an allergen somewhere. If the person with the allergies were to get sick (even if it wasn't because of the cake, but by coincidence happened around the same time), guess who would get in trouble (or even sued in this sue-happy society we live in) ... YOU. I just don't think it's worth it.

If you don't want to decline the order, then I would suggest that you have the customer buy all of the ingredients and supply them to you. Then, the liability would still be there, but would be reduced.

Good luck.

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MaisieBake Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 9:53pm
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I wouldn't touch the order either. She says she's severely allergic, you know she isn't because she ate allergenic foods and was fine, she define her allergens in a way that no one else does (vegetable oils are not nut products). At best this client is super-high maintenance.

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moydear77 Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 10:23pm
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She told me that some veg oil contains trace amounts of peanut. I bought real chocolate that has cocoa butter and she said that was fine. Why can you not use chocolate because it is a bean???
It the parents allergy and she is not sure if the child is yet??

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moydear77 Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 10:35pm
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And she requested all chocolate cake with Chocolate Swiss buttercream. She knows the compexity of the situation and I know there are sue happy people. She cannot go to a grocery chain for a cake so I am trying to provide her a service that she is very grateful for. Ugh!

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Sugarshock Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 11:09pm
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Check out your local health food store, especially if they carry a lot of grocery items and not just herbs and vitamins. A lot of them carry cake mixes specialized for people with allergies, they will say right on the box if they are nut free or gluten free. I prefer these kind of box mixes because of simplicity, the less ingredients there are the less chance of contamination. I also like to rewash the pans and utensils I'm going to be using right before use. Unfortunately, that only seems to take care of 5% of the stress and paranoia icon_confused.gif

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moydear77 Posted 29 Jul 2006 , 11:14pm
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Thanks SugarShock!
Can you use real chocolate at all-I mean like Merkens or Callebaut

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cakesbyjess Posted 30 Jul 2006 , 2:00am
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I totally understand wanting to make your customer happy, really I do. I do things for customers that no sane businessperson would do! icon_lol.gificon_redface.gif

But, you also have to remember that if something happens and she has a reaction, you could be in a lot of trouble. I have heard that some people who are severly allergic to nuts can have a reaction if there is even the slightest amount of nut residue or dust in a food item. I still recommend that you ask her to purchase all of the ingredients. If she has so many allergies, she should be very familiar with the stores that carry special products for allergy sensitive individuals.

Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

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moydear77 Posted 30 Jul 2006 , 2:34am
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Thanks---She says that it is severe but she should have reacted to the cupcake I made which brings me to have to question her again. I doubt she would sue me but stranger things have happened.I do not trust her purchasing things because people who do not do cakes don't really get it. I offered her a list of all the ingredients and have not booked the cake. I also offered her a sample of a completetly nut free cake.

The cupcake contained Veg oil which is crisco and the ingedient is soybean oil---I use chocolate chips in this case it had soy in it and I also used ingredients that were produced on a nut line. If she did not kick over from that I have no clue. Keep in mind it was the size of a muffin!

Thanks for the concern about this I guess I will have to sleep on it and see! She has a common legume allergy. I did some research online and found list of things that are Legume free.

Oh and she wants it to be three different themes three tiered----One tier balls(blown sugar bubbles) Kitchen utensils made from chocolate and comedy and tragedy mask because she is a drama queen.

Funny part it is for a one year old!

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cakesbyjess Posted 30 Jul 2006 , 2:44am
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Wow ... she sounds VERY high maintenance!!!!!!!!! If you decide to book the cake, I think you should add a $100 extra charge just for all the stress she has caused you (and that could be your attorney's retainer fee if she decides to sue ...)!!!!!! LOLOLOL icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_twisted.gif

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moydear77 Posted 30 Jul 2006 , 3:45am
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It is funny she is very nice lady but I have nver encountered this exteme allergy that that someone has. I sat in the grocery store staring at all the oil and thought that one is touching a peanut oil that one is touching a vegetable oil and thought well the olive oil is two aisles over maybe that will be safer!
UGH! I did find a choclate cake mix that is dairy, Gluten, nut and soy free---Catch 6.99 a mix!

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mkolmar Posted 30 Jul 2006 , 4:56am
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ouch--6.99 a mix. I just finished doing a test cake for a 2 yr. b/d in sept. and she has severe allergies. I'm stressed. This is for my best friends daughter though so hopefully she won't sue me if something bad happens icon_cry.gif I hope everything goes well if you decide to do the cake. I'm sure it would mean a lot to the family but I wouldn't want to be in the stress that your under. Good luck in whatever you decide.

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moydear77 Posted 30 Jul 2006 , 4:58am
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mkolmar
What is she allergic too?? maybe we can trade note!
thanks for the encouragement!

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cakerunner Posted 30 Jul 2006 , 5:09am
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Just a bit of info on the allergies, not even really anything that pertains to your cake situation, ..... my son's are allergic to nuts ans we have to atch it, but a friend of mine has a daughter with the nut allergy and she will have a reaction if she even smells peanuts, they have to be careful at the store for anything that might have open nuts sitting around. The grocery store used to keep a big barrel of peanuts you could buy by the scoop but they don't do that anymore... I am sure it's has to do with this allergy epidemic....... anyway......

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mkolmar Posted 31 Jul 2006 , 3:30am
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she's allergic to practicly everything. She'll be 2 in sept. and just had a prick test on her back for allergies (22 pin pricks- she had a reaction to all but 5!) Poor kid, I feel sorry for her! The Dr. said she's allergic to more than this but because she's so young wants to wait till she's older to do more testing. Her main allergies are nuts (any form), chocolate and citric acid. She's severly allergic to citric acid and it's in everything because it's a perservitive! No cake mixes allowed this time and I'm having a hard time getting a white cake recipe to work right for me. AAAHHH! I'm trying to do a white cake with a fbct of Elmo. Don't give up hope, you can do this. I'm more than willing to share notes if you need to still. thumbs_up.gif

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moydear77 Posted 31 Jul 2006 , 3:47am
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Well I spoke to my allergy ladey and ist is not as severe as she says. She did have a heart attack when I quoted her for a 4",6" and 8" at $84.00 keeping in mind that it is covered in blown sugar bubbles. She cannot get that anywhere!
I did find a cake mix in the organic section. It was nut, soy, dairy and gluten free. Sounds ick and cost $6.99 a mix.
I am trying a cake at the moment that uses butter and all the other parts are nut free with the exception of chcolate because she can eat chocolate---Go figure!!

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SwampWitch Posted 31 Jul 2006 , 4:09am
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You could have her sign her O.K. to the list of ingredients you've purchased to make the cake, and to a written statement listing the precautions you will be taking with the utensils, etc. Keep the labels of all the ingredients you use. It might come in handy to have documents that show you are a careful and conscientious person.

Cheers, from
SwampWitch

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moydear77 Posted 31 Jul 2006 , 4:13am
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She is pretty lax about this. She does have the come in contact with utensil severe allergy. I will still take all precautions to keep them sanitized. She said that she does not even think about cross contamination while in production. Such as oil she just grabs it off the shelf even if the same brand makes vegetable oil (soy oil) Thanks!

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mkolmar Posted 31 Jul 2006 , 2:10pm
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glad to see you got things worked out with this.

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Cookie_Brookie Posted 31 Jul 2006 , 2:17pm
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I have soy allergies too, so I can relate. It SUCKS!!! As for boxed cake mixes, they are completely out of the question, No boxed cakes. When I make a cake for myselt I use butter, not margarine in the cake and icing.

As for her requesting Chocolate, Cocoa powder and unsweetened baking chocolate can be used but all others contain soy. If you are really worried about this I would ask her to purchase the special ingredients and then let you do the baking and decorating.

I hope this helps

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moydear77 Posted 2 Aug 2006 , 4:29am
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UPDATE
So I dropped off a sample cake and she is still alive!! She loved the cake!! I did manage to make it nut free but did use Real chocolate because she is not allergic to that. So I should say I made it allergy free to the clients needs!

A lot of legwork and two cakes later I had it down! She even now wants the the three tier cake too!

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msauer Posted 2 Aug 2006 , 4:41am
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Congratulations! I have a few clients that have different allergies that I make cakes for and they (and their families) are some of my best customers! It is stressful (reaction possibilities, special ingredients, etc), but I always make sure that I re-wash everything again before I start to make anything for them. They understand the extra care that goes into it and they are willing to PAY BIG!!!

As a matter of fact, the most recent cake I did, the little girl (now 5) had NEVER had chocolate before! All of her cakes, until they met me, have been some random cake from the Vegan bakery with her name slapped on with some piping gel. Poor thing!

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cakesbyjess Posted 2 Aug 2006 , 4:43am
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moydear77 ... I'm glad it worked out! Hopefully you're charging her big bucks for the 3-tier cake!!! icon_lol.gif

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