Should I Or Shouldn't I Help?

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dacakelady Posted 20 May 2007 , 3:22pm
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well, this should be called "should I continue to have a partner pt.2" (I know I should've said something earlier, but I didn't)
Anywhoo, my friend and baking partner(with whom I haven't baked with in months) accepted an order for a summer wedding cake and quoted the price of $150 icon_surprised.gif ... there was no in-person consultation and she said that she just told the BTB a dollar amount just so she could get her off the phone(she was at her daytime job)...BIG MISTAKE!!!...then yesterday, I get a call from my friend saying that the BTB wants to reduce the cake price because she reduced the number of guests...to 100- so she wants a cake that would cost $100, figuring it would average out to $1 per slice icon_eek.gificon_confused.gif !!!...how crazy is that?!? So I told my friend absolutely not that the price would go down...where can anyone go and get a delicious piece of homemade, beautifully designed cake for $1? If such a place exists, tell me so I can let this woman know, cause my time and talent are worth more than that for sure... I also said that there needs to be a face-to-face consultation for the BTB to understand what all entails for the cost of a wedding cake(cause obviously she doesn't know and understand) and if she sincerely wants a $100 cake, it not be the biggest and definitely would not feed all of her guests...BUT, HERE'S THE KICKER...the BTB says that she asked for quotes elsewhere but wants to have her cake made by us because she's tried one of our cakes before and liked it alot!!! icon_confused.gif So, you would think that she would be more than willing to pay a higher price, right? So, this "wedding" is suppose to take place in July(not sure of what date, I wasn't told yet), I booked a wedding cake on my own in July as well, so I have to prepare for that, so I guess I'm just lookin for opinions or support on if I should help my friend with this or just back out since she did most of this on her own? Whew!!! just had to vent a little, lol...

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kelleym Posted 20 May 2007 , 4:37pm
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Sorry hon...in my opinion your partner made this boat and she gets to row it. A $150 wedding cake does NOT need the attention of two skilled people. That's barely going to cover costs.

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sweetjane Posted 20 May 2007 , 4:52pm
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Did you say this person is your partner? Sorry, if that's the case, she has no clue how to quote and should refer the calls to you. If she wants to provide a $100 cake to someone, tell her to do it herself. That's probably the only way she'll learn.

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dolfin Posted 20 May 2007 , 4:59pm
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What they said. Not much of a partnership if one is quoting with out letting the other know.

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dacakelady Posted 20 May 2007 , 5:00pm
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and I completely agree with both of you... In the beginning, there was equal mutual interest in learning about the baking business, but as time went on, my passion to learn grew as hers diminished...so, I have been trying to venture out on my own and do this alone, but as for her, she hasn't invested any time for this(she has 2 jobs and goes to school) and if there are any questions or concerns regarding cakes, she'd call me for advice, which brings up this current issue today...

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mbelgard Posted 20 May 2007 , 5:03pm
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Tell her you'll help if she gives you the $150 for your time and buys EVERYTHING that's needed for the cake out of her own pocket.

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paolacaracas Posted 20 May 2007 , 5:09pm
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My advice is don't do this cake at all, $1 per person is not worth the problems.
I think the costumer is taking advantage of her, and she is not worth the truble betwen you and your partner.
ah..and one more thing, stop being a partner of someone who sell you short or else you will apy for her mistakes

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Kitagrl Posted 20 May 2007 , 5:14pm
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Maybe you guys should just agree to go your seperate ways...if you want to grow a business and she doesn't have time for her part, then you should each be taking your own orders and filling them as you have the time and availability. It sounds like your lives are taking different turns and it might be good to sit down and have a friendly parting of ways...not parting of friendship, but just agree that your schedules are too different now to continue the partnership.

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Wendoger Posted 20 May 2007 , 5:24pm
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I wouldn't even bother with it....the gal who wants the cake is already trying to get it cheaper...ya really need to sit down and talk with your so-called 'partner' and discuss not being partners anymore. She sounds way to busy....2 jobs AND school??? Sheesh....
You sound like you can do just fine on your own.

Good luck with all of this.... thumbs_up.gif

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indydebi Posted 20 May 2007 , 5:29pm
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(1) She sounds like one of these people who thinks it would be "fun" to tell people "I own a business" with no CLUE on how much work is REQUIRED to actually run a business.

(2) Bride needs to be told "I'm sorry, that cake cannot be made for $100" then either told "here's what you get for $100" or told the correct price or told the phone number to other bakeries in town.

(3) Partner NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND that if she's not 100% involved in the work, then she cannot (CANNOT!!!) give out a price. If she wanted to get the person off of the phone, there is a correct and proper BUSINESS way to do that. "Here is my partner's phone number ..... she handles all of our quoting. If you call her, she will be able to work that up for you." "I'm not in a position to give you a number right this second. Give me your number and I'll call you back with the information you need."

My daughter started out being a partner (dropped out as a financial partner but still works with me a lot) but she NEVER gives out a price unless it's a flat out easy one (Cookies: $4.50 a dozen. Period.) Hubby brings me a lot of business but he NEVER gives out a price. ("Call my wife and she can set you up with that.")

You don't have a partner. You have a little girl who likes playing "store".

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FromScratch Posted 20 May 2007 , 5:31pm
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Wow.. 100$ for a wedding cake?? That's insane. Did she not learn ANYTHING while you guys have been making cakes? I think she needs to understand that the price she quoted is insanely low.. and I also think that the bride needs to know too. *IF* you decide to go ahead and help this woman I think that you should talk to the bride and let her know what it would normally cost for a wedding cake to serve 100 people.. I wouldn't go any less than $3/slice for a BASIC cake.. nothing too fancy. It's hard.. it doesn't seem like you guys had an agreed upon price per serving.. if you did she would have known how to multiply by 100-150 servings. As hard as it is I think you need to let her do this on her own and learn this lesson the hard way. It stinks though because she quoted SO low.. and it makes it harder for others to charge more because "Sally-Charges-Too-Little made my cake for dirt cheap". I'd let her do this on her own and then go your separate ways in the business world.. still be friends, but take your own orders from now on.

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mommicakes Posted 20 May 2007 , 5:32pm
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I agree with above posts. Your partner quoted the price and for that I think she should be able to handle it for herself. At $1 per slice, it doesn't cover the cost for both of your work. Good luck.

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indydebi Posted 20 May 2007 , 5:35pm
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..... it doesn't seem like you guys had an agreed upon price per serving..




Right on! THis is a GREAT example of why it is to your advantage to have a BASE PER-SERVING PRICE already established, subject to add'l decor and materials. That way uninformed partners are not just pulling numbers out of their a** .... uh, out of thin air..... to give to brides and then expecting YOU to meet the obligation that THEY threw out there.

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itsajeepthing0196 Posted 20 May 2007 , 5:40pm
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Ouch! thats a burn icon_mad.gif

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dacakelady Posted 20 May 2007 , 11:25pm
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icon_lol.gif I can't help but smile as I've read all of your comments...they are very amusing, especially your last comment Debi...priceless. And I couldn't agree more. I think I will have a talk with my friend and let her know that I will leave this completely up to her and that I'm trying to be on my own(hopefully, the friendship would be strong enough to last - if not, oh well)...

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KrisD13 Posted 22 May 2007 , 1:47am
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Was Part 1 the thread about your partner making the wedding cupcakes, with you in charge of the butterflies and roses, and you ended up having to buy the roses out of your own pocket, then having her say you didn't deserve your share??

I think I'm remembering right. Anyways....if this is the continuation, yes....let her go her own way. You have enough to do, and you do it beautifully. She obviously isn't flying very well on her own, and you don't need to sink with her again.

I love your work! Bake on! icon_biggrin.gif

Kristine

PS. If I'm wrong about part 1, let me know.

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dacakelady Posted 26 May 2007 , 2:32am
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Sorry KrisD13, that's not me...part 1 talked of me debating whether or not I would continue to be partners with my friend because (to me) she didn't appear as dedicated to the dream of having the business as I do...

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KrisD13 Posted 31 May 2007 , 12:21am
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Thanks for the clarification. icon_smile.gif

I'm glad I was wrong. Hope that your friendship can survive, cause to find a good friend is a very precious thing.

Good luck on this one. icon_biggrin.gif

Kristine

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