Black Icing Help!

Decorating By KarenOR Updated 10 Jun 2006 , 1:13am by KarenOR

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KarenOR Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 9:40pm
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I know black icing gets black after sitting for a while, but what color does it start??

I have chocolate BC that I am trying to make black. A lot of it. I used 6 pounds of sugar to make this amount. So far, i've used an entire small bottle of Americolor and one whole large container of Wilton and a little of another. It's just charcoal grey and it's not getting any darker. Will it turn black?

I don't have any stores that I know of that sell anything other than Wilton, so I can't run out and buy Americolor even if that would work.

Ideas? Help!


Thanks!!

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Loucinda Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 9:43pm
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I read on here the other day to heat the icing up a little in the microwave to speed up the darkening process. You may want to try that and see if it helps (or do a search and read the post about it)

It is not any help right now, but I always save all of the tiny bits of colors and put them in one container - then mix and add the black coloring. It doesn't take a lot of black to get it black that way!

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Katydidz Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 9:44pm
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When I did a graduation cap my black started out charcoal grey and if you look at my left overs I have in my fridge it is BLACK. I'd say you should be fine.

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KrisD13 Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 9:44pm
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It really helps if you start with adding cocoa to the icing to turn it a dark brown, or add melted chocolate....whatever you prefer....then you don't have to add as much black color.

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SugarFrosted Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 9:45pm
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I start with chocolate frosting to get Black. I can use a lot less color that way. I also mix my colors about 3 or 4 days ahead, so they have time to saturate.

Good Luck! thumbs_up.gif

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oneprimalscream Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 9:45pm
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It's chocolate and it's still gray? I've never had any problems with achieving black, so I'm sorry, I can't help you there.

However, if it doesn't turn black after sitting for a while...do you have a Sam's Club where you live? I hear that they sell a tub of Wilton Black BC icing, already made. If it doesn't turn out, maybe you could get that, and maybe mix Wilton Black : Chocolate Buttercream at a 1 : 3 ratio. It probably wouldn't affect the flavor too much, and if not, maybe you could add some clear chocolate candy flavoring?

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klacrawford Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 9:48pm
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I usually start with brown or add some coco then lots of black. Then I hold the piping bag with my hands around it (cause my hands get really warm when i decorate) and I also do like the other ladies and let it sit but the warmness always works for me.

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KarenOR Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 9:58pm
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Yes, it WAS chocolate now it's dark grey. It wasn't like DARK chocolate, but it was definitely brown and not white.
No Sam's Club here.
I need a lot, which is probably why it's taking so much. It seems to be getting darker, so I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed and hope that it happens to me like it did Katydidz!!
My kitchen on the other hand and everything around it had no trouble picking up the black!!
Thanks!

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oneprimalscream Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 10:01pm
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I'm not a pro with mixing FOOD colors, so this may be a dumb idea. But I'm an art major, and a graphic designer...

What about color mixing, to achieve black? Add some magenta, some dark blue or cyan, and just a touch of yellow...add that with black. It may darken and richen your color, just like in printing or paint mixing. MAYBE...:-\\

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KarenOR Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 10:38pm
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Good idea. If it's not black tomorrow, that's the route I was planning on taking. I don't know that's a whole new can of worms. LOL!

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ge978 Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 10:44pm
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Karen,

Do you have acess to Hershey's dark dutch process cocoa...I swear that stuff gets almost black. If not, try mixing smaller batches of icing at a time...it works much better that way. I've never had luck starting with regualr choc bc & then adding black..mine always turns a weird gray/green color. Good luck

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KarenOR Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 11:02pm
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I used a pretty dark dutch powder. Maybe I didn't use enough. I don't know at this point if adding more cocoa would help to make the grey black or jsut mess up my colors again. LOL.
What do you think?

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ge978 Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 11:20pm
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I'm not sure if it would help since its gray right now....hmmm...you could take a small amount & try it. I just know when I make up regular buttercream & add a decent amt of dutch cocoa..it turns almost black...I have a pic here of a grooms cake I did....

I used the dark cocoa on the border...
LL

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Kazoot Posted 9 Jun 2006 , 11:30pm
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What you can do is take a small amount and smear it on some plastic or wax paper or a plate, etc and let it dry. It will change color much sooner than the whole bowl. Especially where you have mixed the brands of coloring. HTH

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KarenOR Posted 10 Jun 2006 , 12:12am
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Originally Posted by Kazoot

What you can do is take a small amount and smear it on some plastic or wax paper or a plate, etc and let it dry. It will change color much sooner than the whole bowl. Especially where you have mixed the brands of coloring. HTH




That's an interesting idea. It will at least should be how much the color will change! Should I be letting it airdry all together anyway? Because I have it wrapped up with saran. Thanks!

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askarrick Posted 10 Jun 2006 , 12:16am
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I really hate to mix black because what I use takes pretty much all the coloring. I either start with a hunter/forest green and then add black until it gets the black I think it should be or I go the easy route and buy the black in the can. It's less messy and I don't have to mix it up.

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KarenOR Posted 10 Jun 2006 , 12:16am
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Originally Posted by Quadcrew

I read on here the other day to heat the icing up a little in the microwave to speed up the darkening process. You may want to try that and see if it helps (or do a search and read the post about it)

It is not any help right now, but I always save all of the tiny bits of colors and put them in one container - then mix and add the black coloring. It doesn't take a lot of black to get it black that way!




I searched and couldn't find anything but I would love to read it if you or someone else can find it. Thanks!

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tayesmama Posted 10 Jun 2006 , 12:28am
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Originally Posted by KarenOR

I searched and couldn't find anything but I would love to read it if you or someone else can find it. Thanks!




I, too, remembered reading something about microwaving it. And luckily I remembered where it was too. So here you go:

http://www.cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-27857-black.html+icing

It's about the 5th post down by Cordy. Hope that helps! thumbs_up.gif

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SueBuddy Posted 10 Jun 2006 , 12:31am
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You can start with chocolate frosting and then add the black coloring. Also it usually darkens after it sits for several hours. I try to make all my really dark colors a day in advance.

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KarenOR Posted 10 Jun 2006 , 12:40am
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I was looking under black icing, not food coloring. LOL. Thanks.

While you guy were posting, I put a little in the microwave to see what would happen adn sure enough the places that got really warm turned black. I'm afraid of having a really big mess though, if it heats too much. I guess it's better to experiment tonight, than tomorrow. It has to be crusting enough to hold on my 3.5 x 3.5 fondant squares.

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KarenOR Posted 10 Jun 2006 , 1:13am
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Okay, I think I'm going to start ALL over. I nuked a few cups at a time for a few seconds on low power and now I have a mixing bowl full of a gray substance that no joke, looks EXACTLY like concrete!! I just can't see it smoothing enough to even resemble icing. Grrrrr.

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