Which Kitchenaid?

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SquirrellyCakes Posted 4 Jan 2006 , 8:52pm
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This topic often comes up and everyone has a different opinion.
I have had the Ultra Power, 300 watts, drop down head for about 7 years. Just got the 6 quart Pro.
My opinion is that for the average baker, the Ultra Power 300 watts is perfect. It has a large enough capacity, 4.5 quarts, for what most people need. It can handle two cake mixes or a double cake recipe, a double cookie recipe, icing recipes that take around up to 6 cups of powdered sugar. Some people do up larger icing batches, I just never could see that the results were as good so I stick to around 6 cups of powdered sugar maximum when making the icing from scratch. If you have two separate batches already made and wish to combine them for colouring and such, well yes, then that is fine. It works well, personally I find the drop down head a lot easier to work with, the way the bowl snaps on too, in general I find it the easiest of all of the Kitchen Aids to work with. It isn't strong enough to knead regular fondant but it can handle marshmallow fondant. And the big advantage is you can use it to whip 1/2 cup whipping cream or a couple of egg whites and it does the job. Plus there is a smaller bowl available for it which I find handy. I rarely have used the shield attachment because I didn't find that I needed to. I have one extra larger bowl and one small one which I use a lot. Also, the lids are a good purchase. I have never had any problems at all with this machine, I just love it!
The 6 quart, well it takes some getting used to if you haven't used an Artisan style mixer often. Personally I find it much more awkward as you have to snap the bowl to the back after you have placed the tips of the bowl onto the stand, so that is more time consuming. I don't particularly like how the beater attachments have to be attached, it is a bit awkward or more fiddly. Plus when you are done mixing, it takes a bit longer to get the shield off, get the bowl detached with all of the raising and lowering of the handle mechanism.
You cannot use this 6 quart machine for small batches, like for example beating a couple of eggs. It just doesn't work well for this because of the height differential to accomodate the attachments and bowl clearance. So if you purchase this one, you also need a smaller mixer for the small jobs. I wondered about this and contacted the commercial kitchen supply store that it was purchased from to determine if this was true and it is. In fact mixing up a cup of butter and a couple of cups of sugar, well there just wasn't enough in the bowl for the ingredients in bottom of the bowl to be mixed up correctly. The attachment shaft can be adjusted, but only so much, so the clearance is still too high for these smaller tasks. I was a bit disappointed to learn this as I had intended to give my smaller one to my sister.
Kitchen Aid pretty well recommends always using the shield attachment which works well, but again, one more thing to adjust or remove when you are ready to pour out your batter or use your dough etc.
It is quite tall so for some counters, it will not fit underneath regular top cupboards, if you have any form of valance lighting under your cupboards.
It is going to come in handy for some larger cakes, like wedding cakes or for a double batch of icing and when I want to triple a cookie batch, there is no doubt. But I really don't think this is the best purchase for folks that don't intend to do larger jobs or bake many cakes often. And you will need a second smaller mixer if you purchase this one.
I haven't tried it with fondant yet, I have heard mixed reviews on this, some people say it can handle regular fondant, others say no.
If I were to recommend which one to get, I would likely say for most people the Ultra Power 300 watts is the way to go, better price, still more than adequate power and handy to work with. I cannot comment on the other 5 quart mixers because other than the 5 quart Artisan, I haven't tried the others. The 5 quart Artisan worked well, but for the 16 ounce difference in capacity, personally, I find the Ultra Power works just as well, is much cheaper and though it isn't as powerful, there isn't much of a difference. Most people will never need that much power. Plus it is just plain easier, in my opinion, to deal with the drop down head.
Haha, and yes you can buy a Kitchen Aid with a problem. My new one makes a funny grinding sound every so often. It could be nothing, but the commercial supply store I dealt with is just going to order me a new one to replace it. They couldn't see me having to get a brand new machine serviced. This happens very rarely, but it does happen. So I will receive it in 2 weeks along with the extra bowl my hubby ordered.
I plan to experiment with fondant at that time.
Again just my opinion on Kitchen Aids. I find that many new decorators go out and buy the biggest, most powerful units they can find. But unless they plan to really do a lot of large jobs, well it just isn't a necessity.
I could be wrong but I find that there is a certain amount of "elite factor" associated with having the bigger 6 quart Pro and I suspect that is why a lot of people purchase these. But for a lot of people, bigger isn't necessarily better.
The 6 quart came with a free Kitchen Aid Food Processer which I have already used three times. This is also a wonderful appliance, haha, I feel like Martha when I hit that old pulse button! Truly a good thing! Beats the heck out of my old Moulinex in that it is much quieter and has a better capacity.
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cake77 Posted 4 Jan 2006 , 9:18pm
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Squirrelly,

This was an excellent post explaining the pros and cons of both. Personally I have the professional 6 that I recieved as a gift, and I Love it, but I have used both and they are both good. My daughter in law has used mine (pro6), and her mothers (tilt head unsure of which model), and preferres the tilt head model. As you said the smaller one is great for the everyday baker unless they really need the extra power.

Wilma

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Cakeman66 Posted 4 Jan 2006 , 10:13pm
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you might also add, that the older models are perfect for cats to sleep in. This could be important buying information for some people who loves to let their cats do what they please. My Aunt did it for years. You never knew when you'd get a nice furball in your X-Mas Monkey Bread or holiday cookies. icon_lol.gif

Seriously, I love my Pro model. I wouldn't use anything but Kitchen Aid Pro from here on out. Unless I get a chance to get a HUGE Hobart one day. But I'd still keep the K A.

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stephanie214 Posted 4 Jan 2006 , 10:42pm
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I have both, the Artisan 4.5 and the PRO600...still use both.

The only thing that I hate about the PRO is the noise. Anyone else have this problem, it sounds like a squeaky noise?

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mjones17 Posted 4 Jan 2006 , 11:02pm
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OK you are all making me feel like I didn't get a good one. I got the Kitchenaid Classic Plus. I have only used it once so far. It seems a little louder then the Artesian but I just don't have teh extra $150 to upgrade. icon_cry.gif

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JennT Posted 4 Jan 2006 , 11:21pm
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Originally Posted by stephanie214

I have both, the Artisan 4.5 and the PRO600...still use both.

The only thing that I hate about the PRO is the noise. Anyone else have this problem, it sounds like a squeaky noise?




Mine did this too..sort of a high pitched whiny squeak mixed in with the normal whirring sound the motor should make. LOL How's that for a description, 'huh??!! lol icon_lol.gificon_razz.gif I've noticed that the more I use it, the less it does it. It's not quiet, by any means, though, but I think it just has to be broken in.

I know what you mean, Squirrelly, about the size of the Pro600. But I did a small batch of butter and couple of egg whites and suprisingly had no problem with it getting everything off the bottom. I actually was more concerned that the beater height was too low....I was waiting for it to start hitting the bottom of the bowl but it hasn't yet. I read either in the manual or on the KitchenAid boards that you should be able to fit a dime between the bowl and the beater attachment....more room than that and it won't get things off the bottom, lower than that and it will hit the bottom of the bowl. Is it supposed to be that way with all KA's? (This is my first one) When I got it out of the box, I thought: Ok...this thing won't do just one batch of anything...lol. But I've been pleasantly surprised so far. I did go buy just a regular KA hand mixer (my old cheapo one broke a week before I got the big KA) to have around for really small jobs, though.

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SquirrellyCakes Posted 5 Jan 2006 , 3:02am
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OK you are all making me feel like I didn't get a good one. I got the Kitchenaid Classic Plus. I have only used it once so far. It seems a little louder then the Artesian but I just don't have teh extra $150 to upgrade. icon_cry.gif



No, no, no, please don't feel that way at all. The only difference between the Classic and the Ultra Power is 50 watts and that is really nothing in the scheme of things. If you consider that people were doing just fine with 100 watts and you have 250, well you are fine. I would say 200 watts of power is more than enough for what most people want to do with these. Sorry, I only have the Ultra Power to compare and I am certain the extra 50 watts means nothing.
I think about 90 percent of people don't need more than 200 watts at all. My point actually was that for most people the Classic or the Ultra Power will do the trick just fine. I believe the older model Kitchen Aids were between 100 and 200 watts maximum. It isn't just the power it is the type of motor and you are dealing with one of the best.
For the difference in price, I would have gone with the one you got too. I didn't buy either of these, my hubby did. Haha, in fact, he asked the store owner about the commercial grade, the $4000 Canuck dollar mixer, like I need that sucker, not, haha!
My point was that many people are going overboard getting the commercial 6 quart when they don't really need it.
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SquirrellyCakes Posted 5 Jan 2006 , 3:04am
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Originally Posted by stephanie214

I have both, the Artisan 4.5 and the PRO600...still use both.

The only thing that I hate about the PRO is the noise. Anyone else have this problem, it sounds like a squeaky noise?



Haha, well they do have a much higher pitch, almost like a dentist drill. But the extra noise mine is making is a grinding sound which is generally not a good sign with any motorized machine. But squeaks I do not get. Haha, maybe the replacement one, who knows, with my luck.
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SquirrellyCakes Posted 5 Jan 2006 , 3:12am
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Originally Posted by stephanie214

I have both, the Artisan 4.5 and the PRO600...still use both.

The only thing that I hate about the PRO is the noise. Anyone else have this problem, it sounds like a squeaky noise?



Mine did this too..sort of a high pitched whiny squeak mixed in with the normal whirring sound the motor should make. LOL How's that for a description, 'huh??!! lol icon_lol.gificon_razz.gif I've noticed that the more I use it, the less it does it. It's not quiet, by any means, though, but I think it just has to be broken in.

I know what you mean, Squirrelly, about the size of the Pro600. But I did a small batch of butter and couple of egg whites and suprisingly had no problem with it getting everything off the bottom. I actually was more concerned that the beater height was too low....I was waiting for it to start hitting the bottom of the bowl but it hasn't yet. I read either in the manual or on the KitchenAid boards that you should be able to fit a dime between the bowl and the beater attachment....more room than that and it won't get things off the bottom, lower than that and it will hit the bottom of the bowl. Is it supposed to be that way with all KA's? (This is my first one) When I got it out of the box, I thought: Ok...this thing won't do just one batch of anything...lol. But I've been pleasantly surprised so far. I did go buy just a regular KA hand mixer (my old cheapo one broke a week before I got the big KA) to have around for really small jobs, though.



Haha well kiddo, we adjusted the paddle shaft because we wondered if the other noise was associated with the shaft needing an adjustment. But you know, it never was just the space of the dime in between the bowl and the paddle. I suspect it might have needed a manufacturer adjustment because regardless, we cannot get it that low into the bowl.
Mine just makes this grinding sound, like when a fan belt on a machine is worn out, you know that sound?
I knew you couldn't do really small amounts of anything but for me, well there are times when I will make a single cake too and one of my favourite recipes calls for beating two egg whites until stiff and this machine just will not handle that small a load. So I do need to keep the other machine. Or blow another $100 Canuck on the hand mixer, I think not. Just need a whole lot more kitchen counter space so a lottery win would be nice!
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SquirrellyCakes Posted 5 Jan 2006 , 3:19am
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Originally Posted by Cakeman66

you might also add, that the older models are perfect for cats to sleep in. This could be important buying information for some people who loves to let their cats do what they please. My Aunt did it for years. You never knew when you'd get a nice furball in your X-Mas Monkey Bread or holiday cookies. icon_lol.gif

Seriously, I love my Pro model. I wouldn't use anything but Kitchen Aid Pro from here on out. Unless I get a chance to get a HUGE Hobart one day. But I'd still keep the K A.



Haha, that does sound like something a cat would do, fortunately my two don't go on the counter. But you know, the box the Kitchen Aid came in, I had a devil of a time keeping them away from it!
Heehee, and I am now really glad the hubby bought the bowl covers because I keep them covered after washing. And one of these days I am going to either buy or make a cover for the machine itself.
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LOVEME Posted 5 Jan 2006 , 3:32am
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I had mine just under a year.It was so bad I wished I had my old Artisin back.They just replaced with a new one.It sounds real good..like it should.We shall see..it's good for a year to have it replaced.

I am in need of ideas for a Monolpy Cake..I need to do 3 next week.Any ideas?It needs to look like the game board..but I must say I am not thrilled at doing 3.So.please help if you have any ideas.
Thanks a bunch
Vicki

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SquirrellyCakes Posted 5 Jan 2006 , 3:39am
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Well, if you have a dedicated printer, an edible image would likely be the easiest way to go. I doubt that you will be able to get any stores to do this image for you due to copyright law. Failing that, edible ink markers on fondant if you can trace and draw. Do you have to make the board accessories too? Any specific version of Monopoly or just the good old standard?
Edited to add, you could do a buttercream transfer, but it would be a lot of work.
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PeachesMcGee Posted 5 Jan 2006 , 3:44am
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OK you are all making me feel like I didn't get a good one. I got the Kitchenaid Classic Plus. I have only used it once so far. It seems a little louder then the Artesian but I just don't have teh extra $150 to upgrade.




For $150, buy a set of ear plugs.... icon_lol.gif

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SquirrellyCakes Posted 5 Jan 2006 , 3:52am
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OK you are all making me feel like I didn't get a good one. I got the Kitchenaid Classic Plus. I have only used it once so far. It seems a little louder then the Artesian but I just don't have teh extra $150 to upgrade.




For $150, buy a set of ear plugs.... icon_lol.gif



Exactly!
You know, they all make a different kind of sound, I wouldn't let that make you feel bad at all. I think that you were smart to stay within your means, truly! And trust me, the 6 quart is really loud in a high pitched kind of way!
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