sweetnessx3 Posted 10 Jul 2010 , 12:30am
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I did my first stencil today and they were awful icon_sad.gif I used royal BLACK icing on white buttercream ....and had to pipe half the stencil on all 4 sides.. now Ive noticed its pink around the black piping ....bleeding ... grrrr!!! Ive taken it off and reiced it . Can I put royal icing, black, on white buttercream without bleeding? It maybe pink marks from where the stencil pulled off the pattern and I repiped in the wrong place ...i dont know ...crying!!!! Help !!!!

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JaeRodriguez Posted 10 Jul 2010 , 12:41am
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I just asked about royal on BC and everyone said the BC melts the royal :/ maybe someone with experience will see this and give their input! Sorry I couldn't help!

sweetnessx3 Posted 10 Jul 2010 , 12:49am
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Thank you , for your reply anyway icon_smile.gif lesson learned the hard way as usual !

JayyBugg Posted 10 Jul 2010 , 12:50am
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yeah i know that the greasiness from the bc will ruin the royal but theres really no advice i have for you.. sorry!

kakeladi Posted 10 Jul 2010 , 12:50am
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........just asked about royal on BC and everyone said the BC melts the royal ......

That's not true! If/when royal is properly mixed there should not be a problem. It may soften it just a bit but it will NOT MELT!

How long ahead was the black color mixed? Did you use the icing right after coloring it? That is most likely the problem.
Also was the bc cold - like was the cake stored in the frig then removed for piping? That is a no-no also.

My suggestion is to mix about 1/2 cup royal with 1 1/2 to 2 cups of bc. It will hlep the bc crust over yet will be more stable for what you want to do.

sweetnessx3 Posted 10 Jul 2010 , 12:53am
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Thank you !!! I will try mixing it ...I didnt do the frig so maybe its where I messed up the stenciling and tried to redo it by piping over the pattern it left ! I let you know how it turns out ! thxicon_smile.gif))

amyh1 Posted 10 Jul 2010 , 1:15am
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I'm crying with you tonight if that helps. icon_wink.gif

I don't want to give conflicting advice, but I too have heard that royal will not work on buttercream. Well, I've heard it will, but will not last longer than a day or so before breaking down. I hope it works out for you! Let us know.

honeyscakes Posted 10 Jul 2010 , 1:19am
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oh I am SO SORRY HUN!!!
can you try candy melts?
GOOD LUCK!!!

kakeladi Posted 10 Jul 2010 , 1:38am
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.....don't want to give conflicting advice, but I too have heard that royal will not work on buttercream. Well, I've heard it will, but will not last longer than a day or so before breaking down........

This is an 'ol' wives tale' that just refuses to die icon_sad.gif

Experiement your self. That's the only way to know for sure.
Her problem may have more to do with humidity than royal vs bc.

spring Posted 11 Jul 2010 , 12:06am

I always make black from chocolate frosting. That way I don't have to use so much food color and doesn't tend to bleed like starting with vanilla buttercream.

I mix royal and buttercream together. It works great if you're doing brush embroidery and also with stencils...eventually hardens up just gives you a longer working time. Got this tip from Betty Van Nordstrom at an ICES convention. The whole room gasped and Betty just laughed....she was right!


Minette

neelycharmed Posted 11 Jul 2010 , 12:35am

icon_smile.gif good tips for next cake.
Thanks,
Jodi

sweetnessx3 Posted 11 Jul 2010 , 2:45am

Thank you guys for cheering me up icon_smile.gif

I made the royal icing and colored it the night before. So dont know!

After the advice I mixed it with the black buttercream and just free hand a design on it ,Didnt even attempt to do the stencil again lol! The black seemed to do better but still had some bleeding the next morning but not as much. I dont know what I did wrong with the stencil every side I stenciled at least half the icing pulled off with the stencil ,so now Im scared to attempt it again lol!!! Pic attached I put the bleeding side to the back. I havent heard from the bride yet sooo we will see . But , my grooms cake rocked lol . It was my first fondant 3d cake icon_smile.gif
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ttehan4 Posted 11 Jul 2010 , 3:01am

Both cakes rocked! Great job!

thatslifeca Posted 11 Jul 2010 , 3:09am

You do great free hand work...why use a stencil at all. The cakes look great. I do have a piece of advice to add thu....I do a lot of lace and extension work on cakes and believe you me that I do them on BC just as well on fondant. Yes you do have to add RI and BC together to get the same look to BC...just let it rest for a little bit with a damp cloth or it so it doesn't dry out. I find that letting the darker colors rest causes no bleeding. Wonderful cakes thumbs_up.gif

cheriej Posted 11 Jul 2010 , 3:23am

Your work is absoloutely beautiful!!! Wow, I know that bride had to be really happy with your cake.

mrsc808 Posted 11 Jul 2010 , 3:29am

Gorgeous cakes!!

sweetnessx3 Posted 11 Jul 2010 , 7:00pm

Thank you everyone for your kind words , I try so hard to make ppl happy with my food and cakes and if I think someone is going to be upset it hurts! Thank you again icon_smile.gif until my next break down lol!

SugarandWhimsy Posted 12 Jul 2010 , 2:06am

You cakes are wonderful! Great piping! Regarding your issue...the grease in buttercream does indeed break down royal icing. I even keep two sets of piping bags for this exact reason - one for BC and one for Royal.

Franluvsfrosting Posted 17 Jul 2010 , 6:12pm

I think your cake looks fantastic and you obviously don't even need the stencil! Very pretty! Fireman cake was awesome too! Great job!

Rebealuvsweets Posted 17 Jul 2010 , 6:58pm

Wow, u cakes r awesome!!! U have talent!!!No more crying ok???

diamonds-and-rust Posted 5 Dec 2010 , 8:18pm

You have to let the BC crust (really well) before using the RI for the stencil....I have done the BC/RI design but the BC REAAAALLLLLY needs to be thoroughly "crusty icon_smile.gif"

CWR41 Posted 6 Dec 2010 , 12:38am

From the thread "Royal Icing Decorations on cake question", I wrote:

Yes, grease-free utensils while you're making it, but it doesn't have to be a grease-free surface that you pipe it directly onto, nor completely dried to stop it from breaking down. (moisture is the culprit.)

There's a similar thread from a few days ago that discusses what causes royal icing to break down titled "Deciding between fondant, icing, gumpaste, and buttercream". I'll paste what I wrote below...
Here's the entire thread: http://cakecentral.com/cake-de.....html+icing

...you can apparently make royal and pipe it directly onto Crisco greased forms and pipe into cooking-sprayed foil-lined lily nails!)

If you'd like to read what others have experienced, TexasSugar says that it's caused by moisture in this thread "question about royal icing":
http://cakecentral.com/cake-de.....html+icing

and here "Royal icing decorations":
http://cakecentral.com/cake-de.....html+icing

my favorite "will piping gel break down royal icing":
http://cakecentral.com/cake-de.....html+icing

another favorite, "Royal Icing Lilies, Cooking Spray...":
http://cakecentral.com/cake-de.....html+icing

DebBTX Posted 13 Dec 2010 , 9:22pm

Your cakes look wonderful. Nice work.

-Debbie B.

Uniqueask Posted 13 Dec 2010 , 9:54pm

Your cakes are Amazing.

sweetnessx3 Posted 14 Dec 2010 , 11:42pm

Wow thanks everyone ! I posted this a while back and didnt know you wonderful cakers are still posting on it icon_smile.gif Thanks so much everyone ! It was a hard weekend for me but lessons learned and Ive moved on icon_smile.gif Ive learned so much for CCers on here icon_smile.gif

sweetnessx3 Posted 14 Dec 2010 , 11:50pm

CWR41, Thank you very very much for your research and work you put into helping me ! It means alot Thank you !

Lisa

CWR41 Posted 15 Dec 2010 , 4:52am
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CWR41, Thank you very very much for your research and work you put into helping me ! It means alot Thank you !

Lisa




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mareg Posted 15 Dec 2010 , 10:38am

BOOOO. I can't go to the links to read them. Says it's not found. I'd like to learn more on this.

Ambar2 Posted 15 Dec 2010 , 10:58am

They are amazing, cheer up! You did awesome girl!

CWR41 Posted 15 Dec 2010 , 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by mareg

BOOOO. I can't go to the links to read them. Says it's not found. I'd like to learn more on this.




That's weird... wonder if the links work for anyone (sounds like the OP was able to open/read).

Bottom line info in the links is that royal icing doesn't break down from grease, it's moisture.

If you'd like to search for the links, remember to use the word "and" between your keywords. For example, you could try "royal and icing and moisture" or "breakdown and royal". HTH.

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