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post #196 of 223
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Originally Posted by TSmith

........ And All I said was I cant afford all that money in fees and stuff like people in the "big city" ........



And who says people in the "big city" (where-o-where is this "big city" you refer to?) have so much more money than the hicks and hayseeds? People everywhere, city and country, scrimp and save to get what they want! Just because one lives in the city does absolutely NOT mean money comes out of the faucet every time one turns it on.

duh.
post #197 of 223
OK cakers....I don't think anybody could say anything else that hasn't already been said so I think it's time to kiss and make up! icon_wink.gif
Move along to a new topic now......go on....shew! icon_smile.gif
post #198 of 223
Tammi, what a beautiful little shop you have! I love it! I live in the historic area of my home town, and hope I can get a cute storefront like that too!

I don't get the impression that anyone on here is trolling through people's pages looking for lawbreakers with the intention of turning anyone in. That would be quite spiteful indeed.

However....got a question for you. How are you going to feel when Miss. So and So down the street from your cute little shop starts stealing your business out from under you because inevitably, you had to raise your prices a bit to cover costs and taxes and whatnot...and she doesn't have any of those expenses because she's "under the radar", baking from her home?

I'm not a downer on this, trust me. I'm not legit yet. I decided myself after reading the informtaion in here, to cease and desist all sales of my cakes, period. I did tell a few people that I hadn't made contracts with, but were going to be working on something, that I just couldn't do it and feel good about it at the same time.

Are there decorators in my area that sneak around, I would imagine. I'm not going to actively pursue them and get them shut down just in time for me to open up. But when I do go legal, I'm going to make sure that my client's understand that I am a licensed baker/decorator. And I can advertise the heck out of my business, without worry that someone is going to turn me in, and put my finances, not MY finances, my family's finances and well being at risk.

Like someone said before...Happy Caking.
post #199 of 223
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Originally Posted by chutzpah

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Originally Posted by TSmith

........ And All I said was I cant afford all that money in fees and stuff like people in the "big city" ........



And who says people in the "big city" (where-o-where is this "big city" you refer to?) have so much more money than the hicks and hayseeds? People everywhere, city and country, scrimp and save to get what they want! Just because one lives in the city does absolutely NOT mean money comes out of the faucet every time one turns it on.

duh.



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Originally Posted by TSmith

i have alot more bills to think about that paying fees. some people arent fortunate enough to have alot of extra money to sling here and there to start their dreams.


I'm sick of this attitude and fortunately it doesn't surface here very often as most (MOST!) of us on here know that this ISN'T how it works!! Don't try that "class envy" crap on here.

I worked 25+ years to finally achieve my dream. I have risked my home and everything I own, plus I few things I dont' own, to get here. I wasn't born with a freakin' silver spoon in my mouth, I didnt' win the lottery, and my family is still sacrificing with me to make the dream work.

I didn't have $80,000 just laying around to "sling here and there", and neither did any of the other CC'ers who worked HARD and LONG to get where they are. So stop insulting each and every one of us with ignorant comments like that.

Evidently you are one of those folks who think everything should be just handed to them. That it should be yours just because you think it should. Sorry, little girl, it just doesnt' work that way. And it that's your life's philosophy, you're in for a LOT of disappointment in your lifetime.

I'm done here. I have a low tolerance level for ignorance like this.
post #200 of 223
Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I called up one of the (few) wedding/party events planners in my town. Asked her if the baker/decorator's she contracts with are licensed.

This is the answer I received:

"Ummmm, I believe they have all been trained in the culinary arts."

Not the answer I was looking for.
post #201 of 223
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Originally Posted by TSmith

thanks for all the discouraging advie. you would have to be a million aire to afford to do all that. i will prob stop making cakes then cause i dont have the money to pay for all that crap.



I've read through this topic with great interest. I have been decorating (just about anything edible) mostly cakes, since about 1975... I currently work as a cake decorator for a large grocery chain in the south.

I would love to open my own business, and that is one of the things that brought me to this topic - the information that is shared here has been PRICELESS! If someone really, really wants to pursue cake decorating as a business - they need to realize, as many experienced decorators on this web do, that success doesn't come overnight - and success comes at a price. I don't have the money to pay for a separate kitchen (and in my case a separate septic system!) to open a business from home.

However, I found a job in the industry, doing exactly what I love, getting paid a little bit less than I might if I owned my own business, but going to bed at night without the stress of making sure I have enough business this week to pay the bills for the business.

In the meantime, I am RESEARCHING ALL the pros & cons about doing this at home, RESEARCHING MY local, and state laws regarding this, as well as any health dept. laws. I am not leaving this work up to someone else to do for me - heck, how do I know they are going to get all the info right... just as in taking a cake order, if you don't take the order yourself, you have to depend on the fact that the person who took the order did it right, and you understood what they wrote!

Do you think Duff Goldman just said one day " oh, I want to be a famous cake decorator and be on tv - and then "poof" now I am on tv...." yeah, NOT.

It has been proven that one doesn't need to have gone to culinary arts schools, or even taken any decorating classes to be a talented cake artist (one of the girls I work with is a natural - never took a class and does some of the most impressive work I've seen!).. if you have the desire to make it work, you will. If not, all you'll probably ever do is complain about other people "bursting your dreams"....


If you are really that angry with the talented, giving people here at CC, then Take the time to go and meet some of the wonderful people in your own town/city/county/state, who have opened their own business, talk to them about what your interests are. I am sure they can shed a lot of light on why it is so important to be licensed and insured. You can even talk to the store managers of the grocery chains that sell decorated cakes in your area... or write to their corporate offices to ask the questions.

The point is, don't give up just because of finances.... who knows, maybe one of the people/companies/ chains you speak with might just offer you a job with them - that's how I got my job!!

"failure" sorry, it's not even in my dictionary.


Best of luck to you, and keep your chin up !!
(by the way, I don't live in a big city, I only work sorta, kinda near one icon_biggrin.gif )
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post #202 of 223
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Originally Posted by Mike1394

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Originally Posted by kweenofengland

thank you forthwife for stepping up! But you just stepped into the big hole i stepped into this morning! basically you cant do anything (apparently) that is to compete against anyone else. it is a very touchy subject. I am doing a cake for my best friends daughter for this weekend and I told her about this whole conversation and she said there was no way that she would let me do the cake for free. Now I am just waiting for someone to turn me in I guess. She said she was giving me a donation then for the cake, but as I understand I cant accept that either. so I am thinking that maybe you can have the person buy all of your materials and you just put them together for them? surely that isnt illegal...but I have been waaaay wrong today! good luck!



It appears that your upset about this. There is no reason to get upset at anyone here, this is just fact of the law. Most states are worried about cross contamination with other foods. As an example if someone cooks a fish, and then a makes a cake without cleaning well enough there is a chance. Now this isn't saying you do this. Frankly it's no nevermind to me. These are just the facts. It's up to you whether, or not you take the chance.

Mike



It is a wonder that all the people ready to jump in with their advice are suprized that they might have offended someone. Just reading some of these posts they sound very attacking so if this isn't what you were intending read how your post will come accross to others before you post it.
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post #203 of 223
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It is a wonder that all the people ready to jump in with their advice are suprized that they might have offended someone. Just reading some of these posts they sound very attacking so if this isn't what you were intending read how your post will come accross to others before you post it.



I agree. Some would say though that those offended need to get a thicker skin. Maybe it's not that the offended need a thicker skin, maybe it's that the offenders need to use a little tact. You don't have to be disrespectful to get your point across. BTW...this is directed at parties on both sides of this argument.
post #204 of 223
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Originally Posted by sarahadams

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Originally Posted by Mike1394

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Originally Posted by kweenofengland

thank you forthwife for stepping up! But you just stepped into the big hole i stepped into this morning! basically you cant do anything (apparently) that is to compete against anyone else. it is a very touchy subject. I am doing a cake for my best friends daughter for this weekend and I told her about this whole conversation and she said there was no way that she would let me do the cake for free. Now I am just waiting for someone to turn me in I guess. She said she was giving me a donation then for the cake, but as I understand I cant accept that either. so I am thinking that maybe you can have the person buy all of your materials and you just put them together for them? surely that isnt illegal...but I have been waaaay wrong today! good luck!



It appears that your upset about this. There is no reason to get upset at anyone here, this is just fact of the law. Most states are worried about cross contamination with other foods. As an example if someone cooks a fish, and then a makes a cake without cleaning well enough there is a chance. Now this isn't saying you do this. Frankly it's no nevermind to me. These are just the facts. It's up to you whether, or not you take the chance.

Mike



It is a wonder that all the people ready to jump in with their advice are suprized that they might have offended someone. Just reading some of these posts they sound very attacking so if this isn't what you were intending read how your post will come accross to others before you post it.



Sorry I just don't see how the above post of mine could be construed as offending someone.

Mike
post #205 of 223
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Originally Posted by leahs

Yeah, good luck with that strategy. I was operating on a "limited license" and got caught the second week. Had to get the full catering license immediately. And I was not advertising. The Health Department inspectors live and work in the community too.



That is so true!

We have a bakery in our area who is really fed up with all home bakers (afterall, she spent the money on her shop, why shouldn't they) and I know she personally "checks" on every home baker she finds to see if they are fully licensed and inspected. I am sure she has turned in quite a few lately, as with the ecomony going down the crapper lately, there has been a huge crop of illegal home bakeries in our area....just as a huge increase in home businesses of ANY kind, from people who will cut your hair, repair your computer, or power wash your house. I personally would be afraid to use any of these people unless they show they are licensed and insured. Can you image someone coming to wash your windows for you and they break a window and they have no insurance? You know how much it will cost you to repair that window? So instead of turning these people in, I just tell my customers to be careful and look for that inspection and license documentation that is required to be hung on the wall before they buy that 1.00 a serving wedding cake...Like stated many times in here already, this is FOOD you are talking about...and who knows how much they follow the regulations for your safety!
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post #206 of 223
CakeMom777 that was some great advice. Like I had put before I live in a place where SOFA status Americans can't open a food business. I love the idea of the petition because there are quite a few ladies that are doing it under the table-myself included. It has been on my mind to go through the proper channels to talk to them about it (even if I don't benefit from it because I probably will be moving back to the states)- so this has been confirmation for me. Thanks again!!!
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post #207 of 223
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Originally Posted by Mike1394

A point to ponder. To raise money to open a cake biz why not grow marijauna? Now before you go all gaga over that think about it. A very large portion of the population accepts it's usage. The medical society has learned/accepted it's usage. In some states it's accpetable to have "personal usage" amount on your person. In some states it's legal to grow for medical purposes. For those curious I don't use it.

Mike



To be honest, as I have stated before, I don't see any difference in selling marijuana from your home from baking cakes illegally. You are breaking the law either way...so I love this comparision! (and you are making people happy and fat too!)

I also would like to respond to the notion that it costs very little money to start a home based bakery so you can charge less because of less overhead, yada yada yada. (Legal that is) I spent a fortune on my home based bakery...I have a seperate bakery area in my house, with commerical fridge and freezer, commercial sink, and am currently getting ready to put in a commerical oven (waiting for the insurance quotes) And speaking of insurance, I have seperate insurance, taxes, licensing, etc etc. Sure I don't have to pay rent on my space, but I don't get the advances of being able to have truck delivery to me directly, so I have to pay a lot more in shipping of my ingrediants.

What burns me up about these 1.95 a serving cakes is that that it DOES devalue the rest of the industry. If you want to open a home bakery, illegal or legal, PLEASE charge what it is worth!! Beleive it or not, you will get MORE business, not less, as many people wonder "why so cheap?"
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post #208 of 223
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Originally Posted by Jamie85364

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I called up one of the (few) wedding/party events planners in my town. Asked her if the baker/decorator's she contracts with are licensed.

This is the answer I received:

"Ummmm, I believe they have all been trained in the culinary arts."

Not the answer I was looking for.



I had a bride tell me that she wrote to a bakery she saw advertised on craigs list and asked them if they were inspected and licensed. She got a rude response of "Who is this?" I was shocked and amazed. She said even if she was licensed, she wouldn't have used them because they were so rude. I told her that response probably answered her question anyway. But I am glad to hear people are starting to ask. It protects all parties involved, if you think about it. NOT to turn them in, but make them think about what they are doing and that people ARE going to ask!
Would you eat a restaurant that had a sign that said "Normally you would see our health insepection rating here, but we choose not to get inspected. Enjoy your meal"
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post #209 of 223
MIKE--

I don't think sarahadams was saying that what you said was offensive. I think she was just trying to make the point that she can see how others might perceive some of the statements by other CCers as offensive personal attacks.
post #210 of 223
I am in TX and have to have a separate kitchen too, but how do you go about getting the money for a second kitchen without doing something to raise the money to warrant the kitchen in the first place. There are commercial kitchens for rent places where you can go and bake/decorate without having to invest in a kitchen and I'd do a web search for commercial kitchens to rent in your area.

My friend suggested that I make a card with my personal name on it, my personal phone number, and my personal email address that she would be happy to pass along for me. I did do this and under the email address I said to put Top That! in the subject line. Now, this is the name my business is going to be when I can be legal, but in the meantime, it gives me an opportunity to provide cake for the cost of the supplies, while building up clientelle. I'm not doing wedding cakes, only special day cakes, and I do a lot of cakes to build a portfolio and then take them to the office for people to enjoy. I get the oohs and awws and pats on the back, and they know I eventually want to be a business.

In the meantime, I'm taking free online classes from the SBA in my area, learning how to write a business proposal and working on getting that perfected as well. When I decide that this is it and I'm ready to go, I want all my ducks in a row and a smooth transition from my full time job to cake decorating.
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