Indydebi's Buttercream - Dairy Free???

Baking By just_for_fun Updated 11 Oct 2009 , 8:47am by JanH

just_for_fun Posted 1 Oct 2009 , 4:32am
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Is it possible to adapt indydebi's buttercream to make it dairy free? What can I use to replace the milk and the Dream Whip? I hear so many good things about this icing, but i need dairy free. TIA icon_cool.gif

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CakeDiva73 Posted 1 Oct 2009 , 4:36am
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Replace the milk with water and the Dream Whip with meringue powder?

JanH Posted 1 Oct 2009 , 4:59am
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Dream Whip is truly non-dairy (no caseinate/milk protein).

Here are the ingredients:

http://www.kraftfoods.com/kf/Products/ProductInfoDisplay.aspx?SiteId=1&Product=4300025908

Since indydebi has stated that the milk replaces some of the fat lost to Crisco's new formulation, I'd replace it with either coconut, soy or rice milk not water.

Another non-dairy thread:

http://www.cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-592777-.html

HTH

CakeDiva73 Posted 1 Oct 2009 , 5:17am
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I always forget about rice milk!

foodguy Posted 1 Oct 2009 , 5:24am
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I have great success making it using the Dream Whip, hi ratio shortening and water. I start it mixing with the favorings, salt, Dream Whip and hot water to dissolve the salt qnd Dream Whip powder. Add the shortening and mix it until the liquid is absorbed, then add and the sugar and mix for 1 minute. Increase mixer speed to 4 and mix 10 minutes, reduce mixer speed to 1 and mix for 5 minutes.

This is the best buttercream recipe ever.

just_for_fun Posted 1 Oct 2009 , 4:13pm
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Thanks all for your answers! will have to try it soon

sadsmile Posted 1 Oct 2009 , 4:29pm
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Well they must have changed the formula on that one. I will have to look at that next time I go to the store!

sadsmile Posted 3 Oct 2009 , 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by JanH

Dream Whip is truly non-dairy (no caseinate/milk protein).

Here are the ingredients:

http://www.kraftfoods.com/kf/Products/ProductInfoDisplay.aspx?SiteId=1&Product=4300025908



HTH





No it's NOT! Read those lables on the actual packages!!! It contains sodium casienate(from milk) I don't know why the lable on their site says otherwise, perhaps it is old and need updateing-or new and the old product is still on the shelves.

Now I am bummed I was really looking forward to it! Whaaaaaa icon_cry.gif [/b]

PuffCake Posted 3 Oct 2009 , 9:35pm
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Can you taste the Dream Whip in this icing or is it used for texture? I've been wanting to try it but don't like the taste of Dream Whip.

JanH Posted 4 Oct 2009 , 7:29am
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Originally Posted by sadsmile



No it's NOT! Read those lables on the actual packages!!! It contains sodium casienate(from milk) I don't know why the lable on their site says otherwise, perhaps it is old and need updateing-or new and the old product is still on the shelves.




Thanks for posting that critical bit of info, sadsmile. thumbs_up.gif

Think I'm going to call Kraft and let them know their website has incorrect info.

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Originally Posted by PuffCake

Can you taste the Dream Whip in this icing or is it used for texture? I've been wanting to try it but don't like the taste of Dream Whip.




I've used Dream Whip in other b/c recipes, and didn't think it added a discernible flavor... Yes, the Dream Whip acts as an emulsifier/stabilizer to improve the icing's texture.

HTH

just_for_fun Posted 5 Oct 2009 , 4:50am
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Then is there something else I can use instead of Dream Whip?

madgeowens Posted 5 Oct 2009 , 5:39am
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WHY CAN YOU NOT USE NON DAIRY CREAM POWDER INSTEAD?

SpringFlour Posted 5 Oct 2009 , 6:11am
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Originally Posted by CakeDiva73

Replace the milk with water and the Dream Whip with meringue powder?




Meringue powder contains dairy ingredients.

JanH Posted 5 Oct 2009 , 8:15am
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Originally Posted by madgeowens

WHY CAN YOU NOT USE NON DAIRY CREAM POWDER INSTEAD?




Because both non-dairy powdered and liquid creamers contain Sodium Caseinate (milk protein).

For more info on what's really in non-dairy products:

http://www.cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-592777-.html

HTH

JanH Posted 5 Oct 2009 , 8:28am
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Originally Posted by SpringFlour

Quote:
Originally Posted by CakeDiva73

Replace the milk with water and the Dream Whip with meringue powder?



Meringue powder contains dairy ingredients.




Dairy products are generally defined as foodstuffs produced from milk.

Meringue powder is made from dried egg whites, sugar and stabilizers. icon_smile.gif

HTH

just_for_fun Posted 5 Oct 2009 , 3:37pm
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So i guess i can use rice milk and meringue powder. can't wait to try it!

sadsmile Posted 5 Oct 2009 , 7:49pm
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Try soy milk or even Silk soy coffee creamer. Soy tastes better than rice. Almond milk is also very good.
But I always buy the cartons in the dairy section nect to real milk that must be refrigerated.

The small cartons on the regular shelf that can be stuck int he pantry till you open it and then has to be refrigerated IMO_all taste gross no matter what brand.

madgeowens Posted 5 Oct 2009 , 11:13pm
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IF dang stuff says NON Dairy then it should be NON dairy.......its kinda like people saying cake is ok for diabetics if they use splenda......they forgot about carbs I guess.......thats why I want all the sugar and fat I can get hahaha before they say I can't have it..........oh well.............it just goes to tell ya, its always sumfin

SpringFlour Posted 6 Oct 2009 , 4:00am
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Originally Posted by JanH

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Originally Posted by SpringFlour

Quote:
Originally Posted by CakeDiva73

Replace the milk with water and the Dream Whip with meringue powder?



Meringue powder contains dairy ingredients.



Dairy products are generally defined as foodstuffs produced from milk.

Meringue powder is made from dried egg whites, sugar and stabilizers. icon_smile.gif

HTH




Wilton's meringue powder contains: "...Calcium Sulfate (milk product)..." Quoted directly from the can.

I had to avoid using it when making treats for my son's class last year because there were 2 kids with dairy allergies. Perhaps not all brands have this ingredient? I don't know, I've only ever used Wilton's.

JanH Posted 6 Oct 2009 , 8:42am
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Originally Posted by SpringFlour


Wilton's meringue powder contains: "...Calcium Sulfate (milk product)..." Quoted directly from the can.




The info on Wilton's meringue powder I found stated the following as ingredients...

Corn starch, egg whites, sugar, gum arabic (emulsifier), calcium sulfate, citric acid, cream of tartar, silicon dioxide (anticaking agent), and artificial flavors:

http://tinyurl.com/ye3rt5y

Does your label state "(milk product)" or did you add that ?

I'm confused because Calcium Sulfate is a naturally occuring mineral that can also be chemically synthesized. It's found in everything from cattle feed, to tofu (coagulating agent) and processed vegetables.

http://tinyurl.com/y96h438

It's uses include:

anti-caking agent
color and coloring adjunct
dough strengthener
drying agent
firming agent
flour treating agent
formulation aid
leavening agent
nutrient supplement
pH control agent
processing aid
stabilizer and thickener
synergist
texturizer

Found in these food product categories:

baked goods
confections and frostings
frozen dairy desserts and mixes
gelatins and puddings
grain products and pastas
processed vegetables
and other food categories

Chemical composition of whole milk:
(11% calcium not calcium sulfate.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk

Dairy-Free Calcium Sources:

Firm tofu (must be made with calcium sulfate)

http://tinyurl.com/5oxb2d
http://tinyurl.com/yb88vlx
http://tinyurl.com/yanl77b

If you're still concerned, here are some meringue powders which don't contain calcium sulfate...

Kitchen Krafts meringue powder includes sugar, starch, egg white and vegetable gums:

http://tinyurl.com/y9or6xd

Prepared Panty meringue powder includes sugar, egg whites, corn starch, ammonium aluminum, salt, cellulose gum, gum arabic, and artificial flavor.

http://tinyurl.com/ydu2g3f

You can purchase calcium sulfate online:
(For non-food uses, such as a bath soak.)

http://www.theherbarie.com/Calcium-Sulfate-pr-316.html

It's also interesting to note that lactic acid doesn't contain lactose:

http://tinyurl.com/yczfsoe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid

HTH

sadsmile Posted 6 Oct 2009 , 1:33pm
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I thought calcium carbonate and calcium sulfate were mineral-ly derived from marble. I could be mistaken though.

majka_ze Posted 6 Oct 2009 , 1:55pm
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I think calcium sulfate is safe for dairy free diet. Tofu, made with calcium sulfate is usually recommended as high calcium source for lactose intolerant and vegans.

SpringFlour Posted 6 Oct 2009 , 11:22pm
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Does your label state "(milk product)" or did you add that ?




No, the label actually says "(milk product)" - parentheses included. I didn't add it. I don't know enough about dairy-free-ness icon_razz.gif to know the difference, so I will defer to and trust anyone with better info than I have. I just avoided it in the past for dairy-free people. It was easy enough to not use.

JanH Posted 7 Oct 2009 , 7:54pm
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I just got off the phone with a Wilton representative...

The calcium sulfate is the mineral, the labels were misprinted with "(milk product)" - there is no dairy in Wilton's meringue powder so it is safe for people with milk allergies/sensitivities.

HTH

SpringFlour Posted 9 Oct 2009 , 6:59am
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Originally Posted by JanH

I just got off the phone with a Wilton representative...

The calcium sulfate is the mineral, the labels were misprinted with "(milk product)" - there is no dairy in Wilton's meringue powder so it is safe for people with milk allergies/sensitivities.

HTH




Thanks for doing the "legwork!" thumbs_up.gif I wish I would have known this last year!

JanH Posted 11 Oct 2009 , 8:47am
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You're very welcome. icon_biggrin.gif

And really, who continues to read the labels on a product once you've determined it isn't suitable because of dietary restrictions...

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