This may be a free country, but this is not a free forum, in the sense that it does have to be paid for by someone. And calling out the provider of this forum may not be the best tactic if you want to continue having this platform as a means to express your views.

AI don't think she was calling out the forum owners, but the members who seem to think their "ganache" don't stink. :D

AI think the OP came here to offer some information for those who may or not be aware of this. Really all it takes is just a google of LV sues cake decorator and a case came up in the UK. I don't think it's the OP intention or responsibility to quote actual case law or provide specifics . If anyone does not want to believe it then research it yourself instead of getting into it with other posters. I would assume that unless you are a huge baking entity no one wants to get into legal trouble, or have to go out of business nor bankrupt themselves in defense of the law. If you have the bankroll to back it up, then by all means do what makes you comfortable.

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Well said!!

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To clarify...no one has been blocked by CakeCentral. Individual users have the option to block other individual users, and in this case BrandisBaked no longer wanted to see my posts so she blocked me. This means that everyone except her can see my posts.

Well it seems Jason_Kraft and Godot are stacking me... I was on another thread about this and you two show up and now on this thread.

I participate in many threads about business and copyright, so it stands to reason that I would participate in this one. No one is "stalking" anyone else, we are simply having a discussion. If you don't like that I am replying to your posts, you are free to block me as well.

If I ever get sued (hopefully not :) ) everyone on here will hear about it! I will fight it big time. I will contact every media outlet and social media site, newpaper etc. It will be on Google.

That would actually help copyright owners quite a bit by spreading the word in the mainstream media about the risks of copyright infringement. There would probably be an initial uproar among people who are ignorant about copyright law, but it would be more than offset by legal analysts quoting what the law actually says.

If you don't like copyright law, your best bet is to contact your congressional representatives and express your displeasure in a logical and rational manner.

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This site is paid for by the featured sponsors (its call paid ads). I don't think I "called out" any of them. And they sell their magazines for a price. Just like newspapers and the last time I looked, I saw alot of people voice opinons against newpaper articles etc. all the time. I also stated a FACT that cake central does have alot of copyrighted image cakes on here... THAT IS A FACT!!

I really DO have a right to voice my opinons. If only some opinons count than I guess I woke up in the wrong country (thought I was in the USA).

If you don't like that, well, I guess that's your opinon and you have right to voice it! :)

AI'm not sure about Jason, but I've never 'stacked' [sic] anyone, nor am I interested in doing so.

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You absolutely do have a right to voice your opinions, but you are voicing them on a web site owned by a private company. If that private company does not like your opinions they also have the right to delete your posts and ban you.

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That's fine... they can ban me. That doesn't bother me.

I'm stating my opinon and I'm not calling people names, nor threating anyone. But stating how I feel in a adult way. I always will.

If they do ban me, then fine, I don't want to be part of a website that doesn't allow me to voice my opinon and freedom of speech. But so far I'm not ban. It seems to me you and Godot do alittle bullying on here. Telling people they are stalkers or they will be banned if they voice their opinions. Very sad!

But you have a right to your opinions too, but this private might not like your opionions and ban you. (one could hope!) :) :) :) :)

AWell I guess we need to all stop commenting on threads the second the latest troll pops out from under their bridge to start some drama so we don't get accused of stacking. Actually that's probably a good idea.

The troll in question stated they don't actually sell cakes so the topic isn't even relevant to them anyway.

As proven by the many off-kilter posts on this thread, there is wide range of education levels in the caking world, as well as a large disparity in the number of people who are "big picture" thinkers vs. people who are only concerned about their little corner of the world.

I'd say it is a given that those who are law abiding will continue to follow the laws (even those they find objectionable), and those who are not will infringe on the copyrighted works of others with reckless abandon.  I don't think either side will be able to gain any converts.

Liz

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Please read more carefully...I was simply stating that they have the right to ban you, not that they will. Generally people only get banned if they consistently break the rules by posting personal attacks, spamming, etc. From what you've posted so far I would be very surprised if you were banned.

Also neither Godot nor I accused anyone of being "stalkers", in fact we were the ones being accused of such. By you, which makes your comment a little bizarre.

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I guess I'm just confused by this comment... I'm not banned, but ok, whatever, they can ban me if they wish and then all the bullies can keep bullying without any problems. Sad, Sad Sad.

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Perhaps not among the vocal minority, but this thread has 2000 views so far and lurkers will be able to see the arguments on both sides and make their decision accordingly. If nothing else at least threads like this serve to spread awareness of the issue.

AI was banned a couple of weeks ago. It was just temporary - probably about ten days or so.

I basically told someone that I thought they were an entitled git - but in a not-so-nice way. My post was over the line and I was banned, but it was worth it because it felt so danged good to tell off the entitled git in a not-so-nice way.

Not the first time I've been banned and probably not the last, and one day I'm sure I'll be banned for life. I don't suffer fools and CC is, unfortunately, brimming. There are, however, plenty of people here that I like and respect.

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I have no problem with being "converted". If someone can provide me with some case law, I would be willing to concede I was wrong. Unlike others, I preface my posts with things like "I think" and "I believe" while the other side makes statements as if they are the absolutely authority and tend to insult those of us who interpret the law differently.

I think we all agree that copyright laws exist, but there are exceptions to the laws (fair use, parody, satire, etc.) and different judges interpret it differently. When even the judges with law degrees and years on the bench can't always agree what violates copyright, I fail to see how any of us can claim to be an authority - I know I'm not, nor do I claim to be. My only argument is that there is no case law that has been offered up into evidence to decide this one way or the other so we can agree to disagree without all the insults.

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so, I'm a troll because I have opinion that you don't like. My children know better than to call names.

Troll under a bridge... so the only way to get your opinion across is to call names. Again very sad!

It's very relevant, because I may start soon selling cakes. I'm in the planning stage.

I'm not a troll, but you are a bully.

The site is not paid for by the sponsors. It is paid for by Cake Central, which derives SOME of it's income from advertising space. The advertisers do not have the right to ban a member. Nor do they have the ability. CakeCentral which is who pays the bills. That's kind of saying your customers can make decisions for your business cause they pay the bills.

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Agreed, but in order to argue this before a judge you would need to ignore any C&Ds and decline any settlements offered to proceed with a trial, which means paying thousands or tens of thousands of dollars of legal expenses out of pocket. Not many people would be willing to do that.

Ironically, the people who would be in the best position to pay for a legal defense (high volume businesses) would also be the most likely to lose, assuming the infringement in question was commercial in nature.

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Yeah OK.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1997/12/29/235894/

I found this article interesting on the subject. (not the stalking, the copyright infringement)

looks like proof to me.

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It's sad that everyone (well, not everyone I hope) thinks I'm a troll and that I'm wrong for stating opinon (which I have stated over and over it is my OPINON). but you think it's ok to be a bully and call people names. How is that be a adult. And you seem very happy that you've been banned before.

I'm not a fool but I stand by my convictions strongly without putting other down! (my parents brought me up that way).

I would NEVER tell some off in a "not so nice a way" and think this is away to get my point across and on top of that think it's "worth it" to lower myself.

I'm the TROLL... are you kidding me!?!?!?!?!

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How does this have anything to do with copyright laws, my opinions and the fact everyone think's it's ok to call someone a TROLL?? I don't care if I'm banned, whatever, I don't care who pays for cake central, whatever.

??????????

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Exactly. It's not like you've called anyone names (like "bully").

AI wasn't happy to be banned. I accepted it because my post was over the line.

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THATS ALL! LOL! It turned into something completeky different. I am fairly new to the forum, so I kind of feel like I walked into something unknowingly. But it's ok. I respect everybody's opinions. Discussion is good. It's not hurting my feelings that the warnings are lost on some.

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it's a verb to bully... by calling me a troll. It's bullying.

This is just game playing, so sad.