thanks very much when you make the second row and third row of petals do you drop down or you go right behind the other row and also when you make the tip point at 1:oo and 3:oo do you hold the tip straight up and down and tilt backwards or are you slanting the tip kinda side ways and thanks very much

Each next row is dropped Down but just maybe 1/8” & the tip is turned out as if you’re pointing at the # on a clock by turning the wrist