Do I Make A Golly Wog Cake

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cakebaby2 Posted 20 Oct 2014 , 4:01pm
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Enga, are you a black lady yourself? I only ask and feel free not to reply but it may put your thoughts into context. I am truly sincere about this x

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cakebaby2 Posted 20 Oct 2014 , 10:16pm
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In the last few hours I took a straw poll of 8 professional black folk (without a Capital B ) all professional people, 3 policemen , 2 social workers a doctor, nurse and 2 foster parents of kids of whatever colour The Big Guy made them and all had a sneer at the "golly" debacle.

 

( I did not direct them to this thread)

 

Without exception the only offence caused is when "white knights"  jump to their defence with all guns blazing firing the" racist" shotgun.

Its a rusty old gun peppering everyone in its path.

My mates were of a similar mind

"Don't need it, don't want it..fix your own demons we're not kids needing your mouth" is the least salty I can quote here.

We have more trouble with the professional (and it has to be said "synthetic") activist who protests at a black mood than any racial disharmony among the enlightened.

Those who take offence on behalf of others should read "Women who love too much" have a cake a whisky and a meringue dripping in chantilly cream x

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mcaulir Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 12:30am
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I was offended, I voiced my opinion, and I tried to educate the OP and others only to be attacked by certain members, directed on how I should post, and told to apologize. I will never apologize for being upset for what I felt was a racial slur neatly wrapped up in a question. And util the OP answers this thread, I will continue to think that this thread was created with malice and to insight hatred and racism.

 

I'm completely astonished that anyone could think so. That is just the most completely over the top reaction to a well-worded, and seemingly innocent question I've ever seen.

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MBalaska Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 12:34am
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no time now for tilting at windmills with Don Quixote now, cake is baked, Monday night football is starting, and the pizzas on the way.
 
 
 
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bubs1stbirthday Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 1:44am
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As a proud Aussie I have heard many people refer to people of European background as 'Wogs' and in fact the first time I heard it was my mum's cousin who is Italian and referred to himself as a Wog and then again later a friend who is Italian also referred to herself and her family as wogs in the same way I proudly call myself Aussie. 

 

I am also an avid reader and spent many hours as a child reading Enid Blyton's books, with absolutely no idea of the reference to Golliwogs until now, influences are more likely to come from those around you, not the hidden references in books. Innocent children don't see those kind of things.

 

In researching the subject I can see why people would be offended. In reality I think you will find that most people do not even know what the connotations are behind the doll. I have only ever heard the full word used as a joking insult as in 'my goodness you are a golliwog' in place of 'my goodness what a scallywag'. Never in my entire life have I heard it used as a racial insult.

 

While it is obviously a very serious subject for some people for many such as the OP honestly have no idea of the history behind the dolls. Anyone who wishes to educate the naïve would be better to do so with gentle facts and references rather than rude insults.

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enga Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 2:40am
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Are any of you people of color?

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msbelle21 Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 2:45am
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Are any of you people of color?

I am. I think you overreacted and/or mistook the OP and his/her intent of this thread. There is nothing offensive about someone genuinely asking for advice, irrespective of the topic at hand.

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FioreCakes Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 2:51am
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Are any of you people of color?

you're constantly missing the point. If someone is not of color, this is a great opportunity to educate them as to why this could be offensive rather than making them feel bad about it. By shaming someone asking a question like this, you miss opportunities to educate, thus perpetuate the very problem that offends you so much. I find it interesting that people who had no clue what this term meant have educated me more on this thread than the very person who it has offended. Nobody is telling you not to be offended. They are saying you can prevent future instances of being offended by kindly educating someone who is trying to do the right thing (OP) than act pompous and possibly fuel the racial fire. A few months back I saw where everyone was attacking you and I didn't really understand, but after this thread, unfortunately I do. 

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enga Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 2:57am
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Are any of you people of color?

I am. I think you overreacted and/or mistook the OP and his/her intent of this thread. There is nothing offensive about someone genuinely asking for advice, irrespective of the topic at hand.

I didn't mistake anything, where I'm from it is an insult to say it. She said herself that its is considered to be racist by some,  I am that some so why ask is all that I'm saying.. Like I said before, let the OP speak for herself.

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enga Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 3:07am
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Are any of you people of color?

you're constantly missing the point. If someone is not of color, this is a great opportunity to educate them as to why this could be offensive rather than making them feel bad about it. By shaming someone asking a question like this, you miss opportunities to educate, thus perpetuate the very problem that offends you so much. I find it interesting that people who had no clue what this term meant have educated me more on this thread than the very person who it has offended. Nobody is telling you not to be offended. They are saying you can prevent future instances of being offended by kindly educating someone who is trying to do the right thing (OP) than act pompous and possibly fuel the racial fire. A few months back I saw where everyone was attacking you and I didn't really understand, but after this thread, unfortunately I do. 

I don't care what you think, I answered the post to voice my opinion. which was "I cant believe that you even posted this" because my racial fire was fueled by the question. Why ask a question that you have already answered? She knew it was considered racist by some and she had an idea she could possibly be seen as a racist if she made it so why come to a cake site to ask "do i make this cake?"

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msbelle21 Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 3:07am
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I didn't mistake anything, where I'm from it is an insult to say it. She said herself that its is considered to be racist by some,  I am that some so why ask is all that I'm saying.. Like I said before, let the OP speak for herself.

Not everyone is from where you're from, so how on earth can you expect people to know that a mention of the word is offensive? I definitely didn't know and I had to use google to see what the OP was talking about in the first place. To be honest, I don't even see the need of asking people whether or not they are colored, and I don't know why I bothered answering. Color isn't what makes people sympathetic to a topic like this. I don't have to be Jewish to sympathize with those affected by the Holocaust. I bet if you inform people and tell them why this word or object is offensive, then maybe they'd understand where you're coming from. Daring the OP and members to make such a cake rather than explain your point of view has riled up members in the wrong way. And you did mistake the OP. If I was the only one out of dozens who saw the original post as a deliberate attempt to offend a group of people, then I would reread the original post as well as the responses of others and see what I misunderstood or misread.

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enga Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 3:18am
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You cant find a single thread where I was rude to someone asking a question. I'm usually called the sugary sweet poster that tells people what they want to here and they are the ones who tell it like it is, so what if it hurts, the truth hurts. Others chime in by saying things like "I it like when someone is blatantly honest because it may sting but I learn from it"

 

Now you want to say I was rude and should have answered it more nicely, REALLY? The thread heading was not nice to me and I was completely honest when I answered it because it seemed like a rhetorical question.

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enga Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 3:22am
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 I bet if you inform people and tell them why this word or object is offensive, then maybe they'd understand where you're coming from. I thought that is what I've been doing. *sigh*

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MBalaska Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 3:59am
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Sigh...........One persons belief,  personal preference, and perspective is just exactly that and nothing more.  It is not "education", nor is it fact or truth or enlightenment.  It's just a emotion.

An emotion that can only be experienced by the person choosing to muddle through that emotion inside their head.

 

It cannot be forced upon others.  It cannot be jammed into anyone else's life experiences, their history, their ancestry,  or their own personal beliefs. Not even under torture.

The extreme exaggerated verbal outrage that there is some personal and gross cruelty that has been directed towards you, and you alone

is experienced only  in your thoughts.  Your display in this forum  may cause a change in the outward actions of others.................but it will never ever change their minds.  Except perhaps in the complete opposite direction and probably equaling or intensifying with the same degree of histrionics that  you express on your part.

 

You never did answer the question??   Everyone has a color, everyone is of one color or another.

But No it doesn't matter when it comes to caking & baking.  The batter doesn't care, nor does the oven.  sigh...........

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enga Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 4:45am
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Originally Posted by MBalaska 
 

Sigh...........One persons belief,  personal preference, and perspective is just exactly that and nothing more.  It is not "education", nor is it fact or truth or enlightenment.  It's just a emotion.

An emotion that can only be experienced by the person choosing to muddle through that emotion inside their head.

 

It cannot be forced upon others.  It cannot be jammed into anyone else's life experiences, their history, their ancestry,  or their own personal beliefs. Not even under torture.

The extreme exaggerated verbal outrage that there is some personal and gross cruelty that has been directed towards you, and you alone

is experienced only  in your thoughts.  Your display in this forum  may cause a change in the outward actions of others.................but it will never ever change their minds.  Except perhaps in the complete opposite direction and probably equaling or intensifying with the same degree of histrionics that  you express on your part.

 

You never did answer the question??   Everyone has a color, everyone is of one color or another.

But No it doesn't matter when it comes to caking & baking.  The batter doesn't care, nor does the oven.  sigh...........

 

Sigh...........One persons belief,  personal preference, and perspective is just exactly that and nothing more.  It is not "education", nor is it fact or truth or enlightenment.  It's just a emotion.

 

So why do you keep responding to my posts, other than to mock me? Since this is something that I"M feeling and it's just an emotion, why not just bypass my posts. What have you told the OP to enlighten or educate her?

 

And I don't have to answer the question, not even under torture. Besides, if a emotion (what someone felt) is not considered an education, a fact, the truth or enlightenment then it must be like cake batter and if the batter doesn't care why should you?

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MBalaska Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 5:13am
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bwaaaaaahhhhaaa  that's the best you've got!  WooHoo.

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enga Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 6:07am
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bwaaaaaahhhhaaa  that's the best you've got!  WooHoo.

I wasn't aware that it was a contest.....

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cazza1 Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 9:56am
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Oh, for  heaven's sake. Congratulations Enga, once again you have successfully hijacked a ligitimate thread and turned it into a circus.

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-K8memphis Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 11:32am
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enga didn't make it a circus, enga was attacked over and over -- it's op's circus loaded with a bunch of clowns even me -- op states that it is offensive -- she goes, 'oh no if i make this will i be viewed as racist?' not if you can invite enga and everyone can turn on her instead --

 

btw-- since you need it spelled out -- no don't do the cake

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msbelle21 Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 12:05pm
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ABecause it's offensive to some people doesn't mean that making the cake will make her a racist or a supporter of bigotry. At the end of the day, all is business, but what's unfortunate is how people will see someone make a cake for someone else and they, the baker(s) can get labeled and face repercussions. People make stripper cakes and cakes shaped as genitalia. Does everyone like those kinds of cakes? No. Are there people offended by those cakes? Of course. Does that make the baker perverted? No, yet people will see it that way. It's still a fair question to ask, and it's one that has crossed my mind severally about other kinds of cakes. Will people see such a cake as a representation of art and a customer's wish being created, or will they label you because of what they think the cake symbolizes?

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DeliciousDesserts Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 12:35pm
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Aso you do see the hypocracy we've been trying to explain! You just don't care because this is your righteous stand. Ok! Now I get it!

I doubted (and I *think you have confirmed) your reaction would be the same to a different thread.

I was just so stunned that someone who generally rally's the troops for ever bot, troll, nincompoop would have such a visceral response. As I suspected it is because you are very passionate (justifiably) about racism.

I have personally known people like the OP. They genuinely mean no harm or malice but simply don't know how deep something like this can hurt. When approached similar to your post, they respond by learning never to ask the question. Sure OP now knows how offensive the term is, but will never again ask. The opportunity to further educate is now lost.

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cakefat Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 12:48pm
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wow. I cannot believe this thread is still going on.

 

I'm sure the OP got the message pages ago- along with the message of the type of repetitive drama queens we have on this site....

 

Let it go and go bake a cake. 

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jennicake Posted 21 Oct 2014 , 9:48pm
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wow. I cannot believe this thread is still going on.

 

I'm sure the OP got the message pages ago- along with the message of the type of repetitive drama queens we have on this site....

 

Let it go and go bake a cake. 

I'm with you!  Does this site even have moderators anymore?!

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costumeczar Posted 22 Oct 2014 , 12:24am
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Dont forget the Grand Wizard Enid Blyton who made golliwogs the baddie in Toytown with Noddy and Big Ears. They were always stealing cars rioting and looting in Toytown and generally creating mayhem for the Toytown police (unarmed British )

Yeah, they were awesome! But there were also plenty of goblins and lazy china dolls in Toytown who were always causing trouble. I also enjoyed how Big Ears would take Noddy down a few notches when his head got too big. Remember the one where everyone was telling him how great he was and his head swelled up so his hat wouldn't fit on it anymore. Classic.

To answer the original question, i wouldn't do the cake, but i wouldn't do a cake for a Nazi or a KKK guy either. If i had to wonder about it I just wouldn't do it.

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SystemMod2 Posted 22 Oct 2014 , 9:15am
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Thank you everyone for your answers and opinions to the OPs topic questions.

 

We do not tolerate inflammatory or personal attacks on the forums, and I would ask that everyone remember this when choosing to participate.

 

This thread has been heavily edited to remove inflammatory remarks which detracted from the original poster's queries, and is now closed.

 

Thank you.

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