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post #1 of 72
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I have been in business for a good while now. I hear about the "other" home bakers in "other" peoples areas all the time from rants on FB to comments on here. I have just never seen it in my face before... Until now.

 

The other day on a FB page that is SUPER local to me, offers junk exchange, yard sale ,garage sale stuff.. a woman posted a question.

 

"Anyone recommend a cake place for a birthday cake?"

 

..... in about an hour there had to be 35 responses, all local... out of them all, 3 had legit businesses. I was recommended twice and then two other really great cake owners I know got recommended. One of the people that recommended a lovely cake business, gets the response back from the women. "OMG her prices are outrageous, I would never spend that on cake, its just cake seriously!" .. I actually wanted to then post.. "you wont be able to afford me either... but don't come crying on here when someone has to pick cat hair out of their teeth or the cake isn't delivered or if Mickey looks like a rat on a hot tin roof!" ... (I didn't though, I said nothing to be honest with you)

 

However, I was floored... then I started looking through the other "recommendations" and most had FB personal pages with cakes in their pictures....

 

I had NO idea. I thought it was just a handful of people I compete with locally. Its half the freaking community.

 

On the other side of this rant I end with .. a huge thank you to all the people that do support me, a huge thank you to those that repeat and tell others I am worth it, an even bigger thanks to the few who have been shocked at my prices and listened while I explained every dime and then they actually ordered from me anyway. Thank you Thank you Thank You!

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post #2 of 72
Ha! I see that ALL the time in the Facebook yard sale pages in my area!
post #3 of 72

Same here - someone posted asking about a wedding cake on a local FB page, and no less than 18 separate home bakers were suggested to the OP, in less than about 10 minutes. :)

 

Happens everywhere, all the time.  Just know that not everyone goes with the lowest bid - that is a red flag for many shoppers.

 

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post #4 of 72
But they can have an effect on prices you can ultimately charge . Did any of you see the thread where this person posted that she and 15 other bakers in her area have agreed on prices? I was telling her she was undercharging and she was insisting otherwise. I live in a major metropolitan area, but for the longest time have been perplexed about why almost all my cakes go into the city or suburbs 45 min to an hour away. Guess what? By crazy, insane coincidence, it turned out she and her gang of 15, as I now call them, were in my area.

It's not a depressed area or anything like that and in fact includes some of the most affluent suburbs.

I was stunned. I felt like I'd bit hit by a truck. This cake club of stay at home, blind leading the blind mom's had ruined cake prices in a gigantic area of a major city.

They aren't making awful cakes, just charging awfully low prices no one could survive on. She emphatically defended her position with all sorts of nonsensical arguments and insisted she makes enough on her cake to support herself. She wouldn't listen to reason. I fear that the cake industry is in for some rough roads ahead.
Edited by howsweet - 1/24/14 at 8:21am
post #5 of 72
Report the illegals.
post #6 of 72

i remember reading that thread as it developed and freaking out that that played out like that--because it seemed like price setting but maybe not quite or something...maybe yes maybe no--then add in your personal data on no sales in a certain area where they operate--whoa

 

then as to reporting peeps--texas has cottage laws now for cakers--not so much to report unless you really get into somebody's business--

 

oops if you typo 'laws' you get 'lows'--

 

the peeps i worked for saw this writing on the wall 30 years ago--are we there yet--yes we are--

 

edited for typos


Edited by -K8memphis - 1/24/14 at 11:11am
one baker's 'never ever do' is the next baker's 'i swear by this'
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post #7 of 72
I forgot that's how it started. It sounded like she was saying her club was price fixing. I guess it would be the first case of reverse price fixing in history, if that's what it was.

Godot, right now where I live it's legal to decorate cakes with chickens running around the kitchen and you can bring your cat along to help deliver the cake, which according to one county official is actually a problem. I thought she was making it up, but now I'm not so sure
Edited by howsweet - 1/24/14 at 2:51pm
post #8 of 72

Makes me want to get someone to ask on yard sale page in my area. I am in a state with no cottage food laws, I'll sniper out every last dang one of them, to the heath department.

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post #9 of 72

The cat thing cracks me up. Having met quite a few of the CFL bakers in the Houston area it wouldn't surprise me in the least. 

elsewhere.
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elsewhere.
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post #10 of 72

but of course we all know, at least i know legit bakers who should be shut down or have been shut down for cause (making sign of the cross)--and of course there's cottage peeps that are super clean and awesome--they are not all hair ball spreaders/lovers--

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post #11 of 72
No one said otherwise.

If they're operating illegally then turn them in to the proper authority.
post #12 of 72

http://cottagefoods.org/faq/#illegal

 

I know someone who is illegally running their food business from home. How do I report them?

An operation like this is extremely common. In fact, this is part of the reason cottage food laws have been created, since the main food laws (with their very high barrier to entry) are forcing so many producers under the table.

 

First you should ask yourself: what are your motivations to report this person? Have they gotten people ill? Is their business too big for their home kitchen? Is their business disturbing you (too much traffic in the neighborhood, for instance)?

You will help them the most by talking directly with them about their motives. Many people are unaware that it is illegal to sell homemade goods without approval. Maybe they want to become legal, but can’t afford it right now. Maybe they are only selling to family and friends and don’t think there is much risk for their small business.

 

After talking to them, if you really feel like their business needs to be shut down, then you can try to report them to your local health department. You should know that health departments are already very aware that there are tons of businesses like this, in every state and county. Many departments are already swamped just managing the legal food facilities in their area, and they may simply ignore your report. Some departments will take the effort to ask the individual to stop doing business — most likely with a simple warning, but sometimes with a fine.

 

Please remember that this home business, even unregulated, is still likely to be very safe, especially if they are only selling non-potentially hazardous items. Many people have started very successful food businesses from home without getting government approval (like Paula Deen) — just imagine if someone had tried to shut them down when they were just getting started.

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post #13 of 72
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Originally Posted by enga View Post
 

http://cottagefoods.org/faq/#illegal

 

I know someone who is illegally running their food business from home. How do I report them?

An operation like this is extremely common. In fact, this is part of the reason cottage food laws have been created, since the main food laws (with their very high barrier to entry) are forcing so many producers under the table.

 

First you should ask yourself: what are your motivations to report this person? Have they gotten people ill? Is their business too big for their home kitchen? Is their business disturbing you (too much traffic in the neighborhood, for instance)?

You will help them the most by talking directly with them about their motives. Many people are unaware that it is illegal to sell homemade goods without approval. Maybe they want to become legal, but can’t afford it right now. Maybe they are only selling to family and friends and don’t think there is much risk for their small business.

 

After talking to them, if you really feel like their business needs to be shut down, then you can try to report them to your local health department. You should know that health departments are already very aware that there are tons of businesses like this, in every state and county. Many departments are already swamped just managing the legal food facilities in their area, and they may simply ignore your report. Some departments will take the effort to ask the individual to stop doing business — most likely with a simple warning, but sometimes with a fine.

 

Please remember that this home business, even unregulated, is still likely to be very safe, especially if they are only selling non-potentially hazardous items. Many people have started very successful food businesses from home without getting government approval (like Paula Deen) — just imagine if someone had tried to shut them down when they were just getting started.

 

Well, of course this is a bit slanted.  Cottagefoods.org is probably not where I'd go first for advice on reporting illegal bakers.

 

Liz

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Well, of course this is a bit slanted.  Cottagefoods.org is probably not where I'd go first for advice on reporting illegal bakers.

 

Liz

Why, because you feel like they are pro CFL? Cottage food laws help people legally start a small business in this poor economy. Is that the problem or is it the threat of them undercutting your business? What? They are damned if they do or damned if they don't.

 

I wish my state had a CFL it would make things so much easier.


Edited by enga - 1/25/14 at 11:17am

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post #15 of 72

It appears to be another ad hoc group with one agenda. Which is not a bad thing, enga. But their About page is missing crucial information, such as the person or people sponsoring the group. David, the boy who appears to answer many of the member questions, joined CC a day or so ago.

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