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You already paid for the article writer's words by clicking the link and giving the NY Times additional ad impressions.


And it's very very very difficult to be published in the NY Times, btw.  I have a friend who circulates any number of essays between them and several other national publications at any time.  She hasn't hit it yet, but I so admire her determination.  I also think it's one of the few venues that actually pays.

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Geez looeez alaska whatever your name is- what a crappy-@$$, small-minded way to completely invalidate someone else's creative work.

Walk a mile in someone else's shoes and it'll give you a much-needed perspective on the situations of others who also have creative jobs.

You think writing is so easy? Well let's see you do it then. I mean, anyone can sit at the coffee house sll day with a pen, a pad and a latte in front of them. A painter? No problem! Anyone can buy brushes and canvas and paints. Cake decorator? Evrn easier (and cheaper)!! Cake mixes and canned frosting are chesp at Wsl-mart. You know how pissy you get when someone complains about cake prices and how they can get that same cake for 19.99 st the grocery store.

 

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Originally Posted by embersmom View Post And it's very very very difficult to be published in the NY Times, btw.  I have a friend who circulates any number of essays between them and several other national publications at any time.  She hasn't hit it yet, but I so admire her determination.  I also think it's one of the few venues that actually pays.

 

Uh, no, the NY Times, as with most newspapers, has been drastically cutting staff for several years. PAID freelance work is almost nonexistent. FREE work is accepted but only if it meets the high standards of the newspaper. I hope your friend knows this.

 

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Originally Posted by jason_kraft View Post You already paid for the article writer's words by clicking the link and giving the NY Times additional ad impressions.

 

Jason, Jason, Jason, that was an opinion piece. NOT PAID. Regardless, any click-through income goes to the NYT and not to the writer. 

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post #19 of 59
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Jason, Jason, Jason, that was an opinion piece. NOT PAID. Regardless, any click-through income goes to the NYT and not to the writer. 

The writer is paid in exposure, as discussed in the article. The newspaper monitors ad impressions and is more likely to publish pieces from an author that has made the newspaper more money in the past.
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The writer is paid in exposure, as discussed in the article. The newspaper monitors ad impressions and is more likely to publish pieces from an author that has made the newspaper more money in the past.

 

You may have read that article, but I don't think you understood what the author was saying. And I'm not surprised.

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post #21 of 59
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Originally Posted by MBalaska View Post
 

absolutely true MimiFix:

IMO the work you put into your books has paid off !!  I have proudly  validated your writing by purchasing your book. It is packed with good info.

 

Mimi Fix - Your book is on my book shelf with Martha Stewart, Rose Berenbaum, Collette Peters, Sylvia Weinstock, Alan Dunn etc.

 

I put my money where my mouth is and I support baking/decorating talent.  By purchasing  peoples books, dvds, magazines, and online courses is my way of rewarding them for the hard work and value they put into their creations.

 

I would pay to go to your classes or shop in your bakery, I would not pay to buy the other article writers words. and I apologize to you for my insensitivity.

 

Thank you, MB. I sincerely appreciate your support. And no need to apologize. We are all allowed to have an opinion. Even those who believe they're the only ones with a valid opinion.

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post #22 of 59
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You may have read that article, but I don't think you understood what the author was saying.

I believe I did understand what the author was saying, but that doesn't change the fact that the author chose to communicate his message via an article he was not compensated for. This could have been purposeful irony, or simply calculated to spread this particular message as widely as possible.

Can you clarify what you think I missed?
post #23 of 59

Yeesh. It's so catty on cc these days. :roll:

 

I just think that any artist or creative person should not try to compare or belittle another artist's work and say what they do is harder/more time consuming/more expensive/requires more talent than any other type of art. Not everyone can write, not everyone can decorate cakes, not everyone can be a photographer- each takes a different skill set, and unless you've been there, done that, you really have no idea what all goes in to their particular profession. The point is, we as artists (no matter what kind of art we do) should not be expected to give away our talent, time, blood, sweat, and tears for free, and asking us to do so is saying that our skill isn't worth anything. If it's not worth it to someone to pay me to do a cake, fine, they can go elsewhere. And I'll wait for someone who does value my work, thank ya very much. 

 

If he sounds whiny, it's probably because he's been asked for freebies so many times that he's completely lost patience for it. I know the feeling. :???:

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post #24 of 59
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Can you clarify what you think I missed?

 

Sometimes people do things to educate others, even when there is no monetary benefit. Sometimes they simply act out of frustration because there is no monetary benefit. 

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post #25 of 59
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I also wonder who thinks that anyone at a charity event uses a vendor because they have made a donation to the cause? I even doubt that anyone mentions who made the free cake. 

 

 

No one.  I do one for the Pink Tie Gala (fundraiser for Susan G. Komen Foundation) every year.  I've never had anyone call me saying they found me from the event.  Ever.  

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post #26 of 59
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Originally Posted by MimiFix View Post
 

 

Uh, no, the NY Times, as with most newspapers, has been drastically cutting staff for several years. PAID freelance work is almost nonexistent. FREE work is accepted but only if it meets the high standards of the newspaper. I hope your friend knows this.

 

 

Jason, Jason, Jason, that was an opinion piece. NOT PAID. Regardless, any click-through income goes to the NYT and not to the writer. 


I don't know if she knows it or not.  I'm not surprised if they're not paid, to be honest, but if one is going to write something for free, the NY Times is a pretty prestigious feather in one's cap!

post #27 of 59

I have stopped donating cakes for the same reason.  I get NO business from it.  Now I will only donate $25 gift certificates applicable for cakes only ( I also sell cookies, cupcakes and cake bites).  I have a $50 minimum so at least my costs will be covered.  Half the time no one redeems the gift certificates before they expire (I put a 6 month expiration on there).

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post #28 of 59
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The writer is paid in exposure, as discussed in the article. The newspaper monitors ad impressions and is more likely to publish pieces from an author that has made the newspaper more money in the past.

Right, more likely to get other non-paying articles published. Like when they tell me that the exposure I'll get from making a free cake will get me requests...Yes, from other people who want free cakes.

 

My cousin is a published novelist and freelance author and she's been dealing with people wanting to pay authors next to nothing for years.

post #29 of 59
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The writer is paid in exposure, as discussed in the article. The newspaper monitors ad impressions and is more likely to publish pieces from an author that has made the newspaper more money in the past.

 

Read it again. Exposure does not pay the rent. Exposure only helps if all you want is more exposure.

 

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Right, more likely to get other non-paying articles published. Like when they tell me that the exposure I'll get from making a free cake will get me requests...Yes, from other people who want free cakes.

 

My cousin is a published novelist and freelance author and she's been dealing with people wanting to pay authors next to nothing for years.

 

Exactly. At least someone in this conversation can read.

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post #30 of 59
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You mean long hours and intangible benefits is not a viable business model? icon_biggrin.gif

 

Maybe you should offer to write his business plan. Free, of course.

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