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post #16 of 27
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confectionerie: If you make 30 a year.  You'll be an expert in no time at all, no worries.  Best wishes.

 

[ ps: Interesting.......buttercream making a comeback. ]

 

 

a comeback? buttercream never left here ;)

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post #17 of 27

Oh.... then I didn't get her comment.  I thought she meant that they wanted mostly cakes decorated with just buttercream on the OUTSIDE of the cake - old school style & piping.

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post #18 of 27
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Oh.... then I didn't get her comment.  I thought she meant that they wanted mostly cakes decorated with just buttercream on the OUTSIDE of the cake - old school style & piping.

 

 

oh maybe so ;)

 

i just meant fondant covered cake has never been more popular than buttercream iced cakes--

 

anyhow--

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post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by costumeczar View Post
 

Go talk to an accountant before signing on for this to see if it does fall into the realm of a contractor. There are all kinds of restrictions on employee vs. contractor, and a lot of employers hire people as contractors because they don't have to pay employment taxes the same way so it's cheaper for them. I'm not even going to try to tell you whether this situation is legit as far as being a contractor goes because I'm not an employment attorney.

 

I do know that it only takes one fail in the criteria for the IRS to say that you've been misclassified. Here are some links: http://www.irs.gov/uac/Employee-vs.-Independent-Contractor-%E2%80%93-Seven-Tips-for-Business-Owners

 

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1779.pdf

 

Very good call!  And thank you so much for the links.  I'll be sure to ask the caterer where I stand as far as payment/taxes stand.

post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by MBalaska View Post
 

Oh.... then I didn't get her comment.  I thought she meant that they wanted mostly cakes decorated with just buttercream on the OUTSIDE of the cake - old school style & piping.

 

Yep, that is what I meant.  The caterer is looking to offer an easy, less expensive option to her clients so she wants to have buttercream (no fondant at all) as the standard option and fondant as an upgrade.  I think she wants that as the standard because it will be less expensive on her part.

post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by CONFECTIONERIE View Post
 

 

Very good call!  And thank you so much for the links.  I'll be sure to ask the caterer where I stand as far as payment/taxes stand.

Don't ask her, ask a tax attorney, or call the IRS info line to see what they say. She'll tell you that everything is fine and you're a contracted employee, but I know of people who worked for companies as a contractor for years then found out that they were actually an employee. They were being ripped off for taxes and the employer owed a truckload of back taxes as a  result.

post #22 of 27

The OP has a website for her business (so I assume she has set up a legal business) the caterer wants to buy cakes from the OP's business.

 

The OP mentioned she'd be making and delivering the cakes from her own kitchen, not working at the caterers kitchen. The OP than bills the caterer as a wholesale client (gets the caterers tax exempt # on file) and pays taxes herself as part of her own business. There doesn't seem to be anything remotely like an employee employer relationships here. It's an retailer wholesaler relationship.

post #23 of 27
It sounds okay,but the contractor thing always raises red flags, so it wouldn't hurt to ask a tax person instead of a bunch of random people on a public forum. Or the person who wants to hire you as a contractor,since she probably won't see anything wrong with the arrangement. Financially it sounds great,,you just want to make sure the legalities and tax stuff is all being done right.
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by costumeczar View Post

"...... so it wouldn't hurt to ask a tax person instead of a bunch of random people on a public forum........"

Bingo

like the old saying goes:

If you want to know how to get rich - ask a rich man, not a poor one. {especially not a lot of random public forum ones}

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post #25 of 27
Confectionerir I am very interested to know how this arrangement is working for you. I am in a similar situation.
post #26 of 27
I have been working in as a Cake Decorating independent contractor with a bakery owned by a catering company since January. I've been decorating speciality cakes for the bakery while the previous owner is coming in to decorate wedding cakes. The previous owner will only work on wedding cake until May. I have been doing cakes for almost 8 years and have a pretty successful cake business in my town. I also decorate wedding and corporate cakes with my own business. I'm thinking that when the previous owner finally retires they will look to me for their wedding cakes also. However I get very busy during wedding season also. I work (decorate) out of the office part of the commercial bakery. I have been only doing the art work and decorating; they have a baker and also a decorator who torts, fills and ices the buttercream cakes. I will do the fondant part if they have an order for fondant. I have been working by the hour. They have a base price for the cakes and add on a charge for the art work of $25 per hour for any work up to an hour and $25 for every extra hour of art work. They pay me $15 per hour (again I am only doing the artwork) I'm trying to decide if I should also leave in May and concentrate on my own business or adding on to my business as a Cake Decorating independent Contractor. I also teach cake decorating and fondant sculpting classes locally and already know a few good decorators that I could bring in to work as my employees.
On a side note: I have been a renter at the bakery from the previous owner for over 4 years when she sold her business in December to the new owners. Since they also brought in their catering business into the bakery I have decided to leave as a renter at the end of April. I have found another successful commercial bakery and have already have talked to the owner and she said she would also like to use me for my artwork. So it seems like this contractor business is already taking on a life of its own. The current bakery owners has stated repeatley that they want me to stay on as their decorator. I also think that I should ask for $20 per hour which would give them a 20% up charge on the artwork.
Help, advise, suggestions is appreciated. Thank you
post #27 of 27


This cake decorating independent contracting is very interesting to me....hmmmmmm

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