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post #106 of 115
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Originally Posted by Stitches View Post
 

...Now this IS a really great worthwhile post for this topic, I think. It's something everyone can learn from. It was daring for morganchampagne to be brave to admit they didn't really understand something. I challenge myself to post openly on subjects I don't understand, I know I might looks stupid to some people......but I freely admit I don't know everything. We really could get some place as a group if we posted this honestly.

 

Originally Posted by morganchampagne View Post

Ok I have a question. I have never experienced any pushback or realized any destroying of the market from home bakers. I'm a baker under the cottage food law, and the laws in my state are probably the least restrictive in the country.

There are 2 custom cake places in my area about 10 minutes are apart both have been open a while. I know of a few home bakers in my area. Maybe 5. We all seem to be getting business.

My question is how does people underpricing affect what you are doing? It would stand to reason that those people would just go out of business. Just wait them out....am I missing something?

I know that's not exactly what this thread intended to discuss but I've had that question for a while

 

morgan--

 

many moons ago--wilton went from being a wholesale only to swooping up--catering to--the homemakers because it was a brilliant economic move that thoroughly pissed off all the bakeries in the land--this is just the natural progression of that

 

then add in the internet--kaboom!

 

which is why it is ironic that so many are so hyper about everybody pricing correctly -- the writing on the wall said that the mom & pop bakery is going extinct and this generation is just more proof--that's why it's so hard to support a brick & mortar business -- it's perfect if you can work from your residence or your own land somehow--

 

i am constantly amazed at the products available at my local grocery store that enable the least likely baker to produce an incredibly awesome baked creation--much less hobby lobby and wal mart and etc.-- i mean things that took me time to master --just go the the store and buy it--buy something to make it in--diy style

 

so this enabling of everyone rather than the protection of the craft is what it is--opened pandora's box

read the ingredient label

 

read the ingredient label

 

post #107 of 115
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Originally Posted by ddaigle View Post
 

Coffee Break time....................Here's my submission...Fairly simply deco (except the topper)

 

My 6/10 butter cream cakes start at $115 (you don't get much extra for that...borders, scrollwork)

Monkey is RKT..(legs & arms are fondant): $50

Colored Icing & dots on 6: $5

Argyle pattern on 10:$15

Fondant ball border (PITA): $25

Standard filling: $0

 

Total: $210

 

I have a chart that breaks out everything..dots, stripes, colored icing, etc.   for all sizes of cakes.   I am always consistent in my pricing.  It's the 3D stuff that stumps me. 

 

 

 

OMG...I love that!  That is so clever.

 

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Originally Posted by -K8memphis View Post
 

 

do you deliver to memphis? chocolate please ;)

 

cutest cake ever!!!

 

♥ this

post #108 of 115

Well, that's the beauty of this site. Howsweet siding with DD doesn't surprise me, you always side with DD and Annasomethingoranother.

 

 

How is this thread any different than the countless other similar threads. Doesn't one or two get started everyday.......... I thought this was supposed to be serious and rational.

 

So have at that.....instead of choosing sides.

post #109 of 115

I think it's really sad that DD went to the time and trouble to start this thread with thoughtful analysis and it has degraded into the same bitter arguing. Some of you wonder why we started our own group??? Because we can have thoughtful discussions without reverting to calling people "spouse-supported hobbist" and the ever back-handed compliment "housewives". Many businesses have financiers, just because you happen to be married to someone who puts money into your business at the start doesn't make it dirty or unfair. For me, like many home based bakeries, this is my second job --  nights, early mornings and weekends..no one can tell me I don't work just as hard as a brick and mortar shop because I don't have the added overhead. I have added responsibilities of taking care of my household and children during the day, and those hours aren't 8-5 with lunch breaks, coffee breaks, bathroom breaks or time off. Let's get this thread back to the original point without the "devil's advocates" or home baker bashing.

 

Price the stinkin' cake. If you want to break it down, awesome. If not, great. If you don't want to participate, don't.

Let's eat grandma. Let's eat, grandma. Punctuation saves lives.
Let's eat grandma. Let's eat, grandma. Punctuation saves lives.
post #110 of 115
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Originally Posted by sixinarow View Post

Many businesses have financiers, just because you happen to be married to someone who puts money into your business at the start doesn't make it dirty or unfair.

There's nothing wrong with getting seed money to start up, whether it's from an outside investor or a spouse. The issue is when the business is not capable of supporting itself on an ongoing operational basis and relies on money from the investor or spouse to keep it afloat. This business model can work for a startup company that invests heavily in R&D to eventually produce a highly profitable product, but it doesn't work for a bakery.

Personally I think there has been some interesting discussion in this thread, I'm not sure where the "bitter arguments" are.
post #111 of 115
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Originally Posted by jason_kraft View Post


I'm not sure where the "bitter arguments" are.

Jason, I know you like a good "discussion" so maybe you don't see it as arguing. When snide remarks, picking apart people's answers for the heck of it and accusing people of taking sides comes into play-- that to me, loses all sense of discussion and goes into the arguing category. 

Let's eat grandma. Let's eat, grandma. Punctuation saves lives.
Let's eat grandma. Let's eat, grandma. Punctuation saves lives.
post #112 of 115

sixinarow--if you meant me by quoting 'housewives' as being 'a back handed complement'-- i did say 'homemakers' for the group wilton marketed to when they switched from wholesale to retail because they did--i really don't know how that could be perceived the way you said--i'm sorry you got that meaning.

 

the sock monkey cake wins hands down

 

:-D

 

over and out

read the ingredient label

 

read the ingredient label

 

post #113 of 115
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Originally Posted by sixinarow View Post

Jason, I know you like a good "discussion" so maybe you don't see it as arguing. When snide remarks, picking apart people's answers for the heck of it and accusing people of taking sides comes into play-- that to me, loses all sense of discussion and goes into the arguing category. 

I'm with you on the "taking sides" comment (we could have done without that whole plot line, I'm not even clear about what the different sides are) but aside from that I think you're reading too much into things, as the main topic of this thread is still being discussed.

The comment about "picking apart people's answers" is especially puzzling. I thought that was the entire point of a discussion: someone makes a comment, another person responds with one or more points, someone else adds their take on one or more of said points, etc. If everyone always agreed with everyone else the community would devolve into groupthink, which won't ruffle anyone's feathers but also won't really provide any value.
post #114 of 115

I'm sorry that you see things that way Sixinarow. If I made snide remarks I didn't mean to, and I do apologize. I am trying to participate in a serious discussion.

 

Picking apart peoples answers is what makes the discussion worthy of having one. To say and do the same thing over and over is just a repeat.

post #115 of 115

Thread has gone off topic and I feel has gone in an unintended and unproductive direction. 

 

In regards to pricing, Heath has just posted formal guidelines that we Moderators will be following regarding pricing threads.  If you haven't read it, please do so now as it is a pretty big policy change and will effect several of you:

 

http://cakecentral.com/t/764720/policies-for-posting-the-cake-decorating-business-forum

 

Many of you on this thread participate in pricing threads daily, so please stick to the new guidelines and FLAG any post that you feel violates these new guidelines so we can remove the thread ASAP.  Please do NOT post in the thread that violates the rules because it's very unproductive.

 

Thank you.

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