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post #16 of 30

http://www.wilton.com/cakes/tiered-cakes/     See if this link gives you some ideas.

post #17 of 30

The dowels are usually pulled out by whoever is cutting the cake, they are food safe, even they aren't edible. No different than the cake boards, really.

A quick google, youtube or cakecentral search will get you all sorts of tutorials on how to properly dowel.

Not supporting the cake will result in the cakes sinking into each other, which will lead to cakes falling apart. The role a cake board will play in supporting a cake, is resting on the dowels and taking the weight of the cake. Without dowels, there is really no reason for the cake board.

post #18 of 30

Hopefully this link will help as well.  Do you have time to order the SPS system?

 

http://media.cakecentral.com/files/sps_104.pdf

post #19 of 30
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Originally Posted by Kattcasablanca View Post

Thanks didi5. So if I want to make a 4 tiered cake where each tier is placed directly on top of the other, what support system options do I have? Or are dowel rods the only option I have? So dowel rods go through each tier separately, or do they go through the entire cake from top to bottom?

Each layer gets it's own set of dowels, which must be cut exactly the same size as each other. Then the next tier, on it's board, rests on those. So if they are uneven, the cake will tilt.

The whole point of doweling is that the cakes underneath are in no way supporting the weight of the ones on top, otherwise you'll end up with a big mess.

 

There are different doweling systems, such as wiltons or SPS, but they all involve putting some sort of 'rod' into each layer for the next tier's cake board to rest on.

post #20 of 30
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys!! Thankfully I'm not actually making the cake for anyone - as I've never done this before I thought I'd just give a simple wedding cake a try to see if its something I can branch into. I like the look of the SPS and I'd definitely have time to order that so I may give that a go! Any other tips or things I should know (where a wedding cake is drastically different to making a normal cake?)

Thanks guys - I know this is probably all common sense to you but I appreciate you helping out a novice like myself.
post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by Kattcasablanca View Post

Thanks guys!! Thankfully I'm not actually making the cake for anyone - as I've never done this before I thought I'd just give a simple wedding cake a try to see if its something I can branch into. I like the look of the SPS and I'd definitely have time to order that so I may give that a go! Any other tips or things I should know (where a wedding cake is drastically different to making a normal cake?)

Thanks guys - I know this is probably all common sense to you but I appreciate you helping out a novice like myself.

One great thing about the SPS is that you can reuse it.  I think this will be the best option since you are wanting to practice.  I found that Oasis Cake and Candy Supply had great prices.

post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by darkchocolate View Post

http://www.wilton.com/cakes/tiered-cakes/     See if this link gives you some ideas.


Look at this link ^^.  It says it all.

 

As for cutting the cake, it should be disassembled, dowels removed, and then each tier cut individually.

post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by maybenot View Post


Look at this link ^^.  It says it all.

 

As for cutting the cake, it should be disassembled, dowels removed, and then each tier cut individually.


I read that as disemdowelled, and thought that that was a fun new word.  Then I read it again...

post #24 of 30
Thread Starter 
Does anyone have any suggestions for support systems in the UK? It appears you can't buy the SPS system over here...
post #25 of 30

Cake boards and a type of support post is a time tested method of cake support.  "Systems" are based on those same things.

 

You can use bubble tea straws [or regular drinking straws, for that matter] for the supports and by doubling up on standard cake boards, you can get a pretty stable, sturdy cake.

post #26 of 30
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Originally Posted by Kattcasablanca View Post

Thanks didi5. So if I want to make a 4 tiered cake where each tier is placed directly on top of the other, what support system options do I have? Or are dowel rods the only option I have? So dowel rods go through each tier separately, or do they go through the entire cake from top to bottom?

I explained here on this page how to make a tiered cake http://www.make-fabulous-cakes.com/tiered-cakes.html Yes you would need dowels for each tier that will have a cake on top of it.  And then, there is also the optional but highly recommended dowel thru all the layers.  I say optional because I have worked in a bakery that did not do the dowel thru all the layers thing even for cakes up to 5 tiers!  They never had problems.  I do it for the peace of mind :)  

 

Yes, there are other cake support systems like the http://www.cakestackers.com/cake-supports.html and the http://www.stressfreecakes.com/public/cake-supports-work.  I have never tried them though so can't give any opinions about them.  It is more an investment though for these type of systems and you will have to be on top of getting them back complete.  Just something to think about.  

 

Hope this helps! 

post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by Kattcasablanca View Post

What I mean is, I have made a cake that has four layers where each layer is the same size and just stuck with buttercream (probably not as tall as that). I've never made anything as tall as that so it may well be that I need a support system but this is what I need help with. I don't know what support systems I can use, and I don't understand how the cake can be cut and assembled (on the day, for example) if I also need to insert rods. I've been making cakes for years, but have never made a wedding cake or anything that required a support system.

 

I think you should go ahead and try to do it without dowels. Please post photos when you're done!

post #28 of 30
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Originally Posted by cakefat View Post

I think you should go ahead and try to do it without dowels. Please post photos when you're done!

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post #29 of 30

Yeah, no on the "go ahead and try it."

 

And let's not confuse layers with tiers.  A four layer cake needs no support.  A four tier cake definitely needs support.

 

Try SPS - you'll love it.  See my signature line below.

Answers to the most often asked questions re: SPS. SPS instructions are on Page 15 of the Sticky at the top of the Cake Decorating Forum. Supplies can be ordered from Oasis Supply, Global or BakeryCrafts.
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Answers to the most often asked questions re: SPS. SPS instructions are on Page 15 of the Sticky at the top of the Cake Decorating Forum. Supplies can be ordered from Oasis Supply, Global or BakeryCrafts.
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post #30 of 30
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