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post #76 of 123

I don't think she meant "just a cake" the "just" was in reference to the arrangement the way I read it such as are they 2 unlicensed hobbyists trading their skills....just as she said "just doing hair". You cannot compare hours since the 2 are apples and oranges....although a good cut and color take a lot of time.... If the cake were valued in the market at $200 (provided it were legal to sell it) and the hair do's market value is $200 the it doesn't matter if 1 took 15 hours and the other 15 minutes.

post #77 of 123
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Ok So this is going to be scary...... please feast your eyes on my hair before I started having it professionally cut & colored/styled. This was back in 1992 when I was a sophomore in high school. Yes, that WAS the style. I hope you all are gasping with horror right now.

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post #78 of 123

If your hairdresser is refusing to let you speak directly to the clients and insisting on delivering the cakes herself then these are HUGE red flags.  I'd bet she is reselling them as her own work.  Otherwise why not just give you the phone number or email and let you work out the details. 

 

I think you need to decide whether or not you are ok with it.  If you are then continue with your current arrangement.  If not then  you have a couple of options.  Labeling the cake board as others have suggested would be one thing.   I would tell her you would like to switch out the bartering system and go to paying cash for your hair and she pays cash for the cakes.  I suspect as soon as you tell her this you are going to see her squirm and if she asks why you can tell her your suspicions.  But you probably want to find a new hairdresser first.

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post #79 of 123
I'm a little drunk so this could be a stupid thing to say but if you put a sticker on your board what stops her replacing the board?
post #80 of 123

Every time you sell a cake, there is always a chance that someone else is taking credit for it, or even re-selling it.

We had that happen in town just before Christmas, one of my decorator girlfriends made a big cake for a lady, massively undercharged like a cake noob, but had original pictures of it.

The next day, a local bakery posted pictures of the same cake at a big office party, with guests commenting on how awesome it was, and tagging the other bakery.

It wasn't the first time she had sold cakes to this lady, we figure since she refuses tot charge enough, the lady just flips them for a profit.

Here's the rub, they bought the cake, fair and square, they were allowed to do whatever the heck they wanted with it. Her contract didn't say a word about no reselling, or telling people who actually made it.

If the bakery claimed to bake it themselves, they could get into trouble, but they were careful to say they would 'provide' the cake, not make it. (she managed to get a copy of the sale order from the office, lol)

 

The way I see it, you are giving her the cake and she is giving you a service, it doesn't really matter what she does with it. Taking credit for it is just dirty, but I think if something fishy is going on, she is more likely pulling the "I can get you a discount", and accepting money for them, which is also dirty... but you aren't a business, and aren't taking orders, so it isn't like it's damaging anything more than your pride and/or sense of ethics. It's up to you whether or not your gorgeous hair is worth sacrificing for that, lol.

 

My stylist and I trade services as well, no way would I risk that relationship! She could be throwing them off a bridge or entering them in a competition for all I care. It would tick me off, and anyone else would get more than an earful from me, but I don't mess with the hair dresser.

post #81 of 123
It seems to me that you really love your hairdresser, if you don't want to risk losing her I think it's better to just be honest about it and ask what she's doing with all the cakes. You can certainly frame it in a very casual way and mention that you're thinking about going into the cake business. There could be a very genuine reason behind it or it could be what you think it is, but sneaking phone numbers or stickers onto boards is only going to end badly for you if she is doing something shady with them. Just ask her.
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post #82 of 123
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I have my next appt. with the hairdresser in 2 weeks and I am going to ask her for some "customer testimonials" for my " upcoming business"...we will see if she follows thru. I will ask her to get the recipients of the cakes to email me the testimonial and receive so much off their next cake.. that way I can see names. If I don't receive any emails then I know she is hiding something.

post #83 of 123

I've never understood speculating about what someone is doing when it's just so easy to ask.  I can tell you that in this same situation, I'd just ask what's being done with the cakes and if the answer I got didn't feel right or I didn't like it, I'd stop doing them.  Nothing says that you can't just pay for the hair care, either from her or someone else.

 

IF she's selling, or giving away, cakes that you've made, YOU are still carrying ALL of the liability for the product.  IF you're not "legal" and/or don't have liability insurance and the final recipient has a problem, YOU ARE FULLY RESPONSIBLE--and in this case, you have NO IDEA how the cakes are being handled or stored once they leave your hands. It muddies the waters when there's a middle man, but it always comes back to the originator.  

 

It's the same way it would be if you went to a store and bought a wrapped box of "homemade" pastries and got sick after eating them.  You complain to the store and they immediately shirk the issue by referring you to the baker from whom they bought the pastries.  At least they likely have a written contract and both are legal/inspected/certified/insured.  In your case, it's just too murky.

 

I would NEVER allow someone else to take credit for my work or to make money off of my back unless we had a formal written agreement and understanding of each others responsibilities and liabilities.  Keeping someone in the dark is disrespectful of them and their talent.

 

Everyone has their own comfort levels for uncertainty and lack of control and mine is as close to zero as you can get.

post #84 of 123
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Ok So this is going to be scary...... please feast your eyes on my hair before I started having it professionally cut & colored/styled. This was back in 1992 when I was a sophomore in high school. Yes, that WAS the style. I hope you all are gasping with horror right now.
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Wait, WHAT??? Your hair used to be AWESOME!!! You are getting ripped off, you need to see about that business and start making money so you can get your spiral perm, curling iron, rat tail comb, pick, and Aqua Net, L.A. Looks, and get back rocking the totally RAD hair. thumbs_up.gif
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post #85 of 123
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LMAO @ Annabakescakes.. I see you grew up in the 90's as well!
post #86 of 123
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I am not sure how it is in Australia but here there is a lot more to starting a business than putting up a FB page. You have to have a certified kitchen, licenses, insurance (not required but necessary), a pricing structure, be diligent in book keeping and setting up a tax account. Are you going to be a Corporation or a pass through entity? The list goes on...... Plus I believe she said she already works 45 hours a week and has children. A good cut and color can be very expensive....and she has a great style. OP...if you want to start a business go for it!!!! You certainly have the talent. Although not everyone who has talent has good business sense....not saying you don't! but many talented businesses fail because they don't have the ability or passion for the other aspects. Case in point..my daughter worked for a design firm. They had more clients than they could handle and gave her one client as her own at $36/hr. She didn't track hours, do billing or follow up. He got a lot of work for free. Luckily she matured and married a man with business sense and they are very successful now. If you are happy with this arrangement then keep it. I think you are getting good value for your cakes. I have friends who spend tons on their hair...highlights, lowlights, all over color, touch ups, cutting and styling. My hair is a mop because I can't afford it so I would love this arrangement. Just like anyone can "bake a cake" anyone can do hair. But very few can do either really well.

Yes, in Australia we have to do a lot of that too, I have done it all myself. I was stating that she should set up a page as well as get registered and everything else. I know that with a facebook page your photos can be seen by more people in your area and by friends of friends, and one of those friends of friends might be the one who got it off the hairdresser and start to ask questions.
post #87 of 123

Shebysuz...really your hair is gorgeous..but you could be bald headed and still be gorgeous. At first when I read that was  you back in high school...I saw the first photo and though 'well she's still gorgeous and so is her hair, cry me a river'...then I saw the 2nd photo. hahaha. That is GREAT!! I"m not laughing at you by the way..but that is some serious hair. Best photo ever too.

 

by the way- you should seriously consider going into business making your cakes on a very part time basis (once you get licensed etc etc in your state/area) because you are at a professional level now. I know it's difficult working full time, having a life, family and even beginning to consider making cakes to sell. But if you can find the balance, then go for it. 

post #88 of 123
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Thank you cakefat. I really appreciate the encouragement and all your nice words. Yeah, my hair was so atrocious that it is practically cool!  Back on to cakes.. I feel like I have just only dabbled in making cakes but I find that it gives me an outlet for creativity and without that I will go crazy. I work as an Emergency Dispatcher aka 911 operator and when I get home it is hard to unwind from that stress . Who knew that making custom cakes would relax me. I just love it. I mentioned I loved your screen name- I wanted to ask..is Cakefat meant as a noun meaning the fat content in cake, or something else? I would love to know the origin . I think of how funny it would be if Cakefat was a term for a person who loves cake..cuz if so, I am a total Cakefat!icon_biggrin.gif

post #89 of 123

You were TOTALLY getting ready to go see Poison, weren't you!?

 

And, yes, for just dabbling, you've got mad skills!

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post #90 of 123
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LMAO @ Annabakescakes.. I see you grew up in the 90's as well!

Well, I was 11 when that picture was taken, but I was mature for my age icon_wink.gif I was teasing and crimping and aqua-netting since I was 9. Blue eye shadow and all. I had no parental supervision!
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