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Now that california is a cottage food state I can be legit. my only worry is, I have a full time job as a chef. The bakery/ deli i work at is in a very veggie and vegan friendly area and they want me to use my recipes there. I feel bad saying no to them and then turning around and using my recipes to start a side business. I want to just do vegan pastries on sat and sunday at local farmers markets. Does it seem like a back stabbing move? they know i do cakes on the side and that I have a second job teaching baking. My second job doesnt take away from me working at the deli. The farmers markets i would be going to the bakery does not go to anymore. 

 

I really feel like i have the stability of a job to fund me starting my business and would allow me a little more income to support myself (the minimum wage i make at my chef job barley covers bills). My aunt very recently and suddenly died leaving behind her 11 month old son (my godson) the extra income could afford me extra time to spend with him.

 

Ive filled out the paperwork looked into zoning, permits, the only things i need to do is insurance and actually growing some balls and turning in the paperwork. How is it for so long i wished this would be a reality now in freaking. any advise would be great

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post #2 of 20

Do you have an employment contract at your day job?

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post #3 of 20

I really hope this all works out for you!  So many things to think about it seems.

 

I've been thinking of starting out too.  I've been baking for about 23 years and I think I could make a go of it.  Small, baby steps that is.

 

Could you share exactly how you got all the paperwork started?  I've had a lot on the Cottage Law and just wondering where to start.

 

Best of luck to you!

 

Melissa

post #4 of 20
Have you explored the idea of selling vegan items wholesale to the bakery you work for? You would need a Class B license for this, but it would allow you to leverage the bakery's existing customer base, which happens to be exactly who you need to target.
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Do you have an employment contract at your day job?
No there are NO rules, handbook or guide. When I started I handed in no paperwork: ID, social or food handlers. Nor did I sign anything. It's more of a moral thing I'm wrestling with or stupidity I'm not sure yet haha
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Have you explored the idea of selling vegan items wholesale to the bakery you work for? You would need a Class B license for this, but it would allow you to leverage the bakery's existing customer base, which happens to be exactly who you need to target.
I did kind of think about that but there kind of shady. And HORRIBLE about collecting money and paying bills. As it is I get pisses when they don't pay overtime. So I can only imagine how pissed I'd be if they owed me money
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post #7 of 20

You don't owe the ppl at the deli anything, what you do in your free time is your business!  Don't let them make you feel guilty about anything, and you don't need to make a grand announcement to them that you are selling at the farmer's market on the weekends.  Good luck!

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If you can afford to lose your job at the deli (not saying it will happen, just a possibility) then go for it on your own, after you put together a business plan of course. If you can't afford to lose your job then you should talk with the owners about what you are planning, since it's very likely that starting your own business will interfere with your deli hours.
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Jason Thank you so much you after reading your post i weighted my options. Yes I love my job, but at $8 an hour and having to beg for my pay check or having it bounce. If they fire me I can find another $8 job. The way you put it made it so easy to brake it down and see that i was hiding behind my job and using at as crutch. 

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post #10 of 20

Hi DisineyDreamer, I really think you should go for it.  We don't have the cottage food law in my state, I wish we did.  I worked in a Natural food store while in school and they wanted my recipes but did not want to give me any credit for them.  I think you should do your own thing and work there too until you find something better. If they want to sell your product in their shop,  they could just purchase the items from you, that way it would be a win-win situation.  And by word of mouth your product could be show cased at other locations as well.

 

Your recipe should be saved for your benefit and your business, if they are acting shady already I wouldn't give them a chance to take advantage of you.

 

Good luck!


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post #11 of 20

Sounds like your employer sucks anyway, so why not get started working for yourself? Keep working your 9-5 for as long as you can, but build build build business for your own future. I worked for a woman who owned what she called a 'bakery' for a few months, and she was the worst business owner I've ever met. It was a huge disaster (she closed her doors shortly after I was 'let go'), but I chalk it up to experience gained for my future business. LOTS of lessons learned, move on.

Good luck with your endeavor.

post #12 of 20

If you are only making minimum wage at the deli/bakery, then they have provided no incentive for you to stay.  I would suggest that you find another minimum wage (or better) job with the hours that will allow you to have a base income and health insurance.  THEN, spend the extra time promoting your vegan items as you wish. 

 

Before you do anything, however, you need to assess your ability to run your side business as a BUSINESS, not a "fun" thing to do.  You will need to pay bills, figure the exact cost of each item, plan your shopping trips, storage of ingredients, supplies, costs of Farmer's Market's, etc.  Just because you make specialty baked goods, does NOT mean you will make a profit unless you pay close attention.

 

I recommend the CakeBoss software (10% discount with CakeCentral membership) as the first step.  Then contacting a local SCORE office to obtain information on the best way to prepare a business plan.   If you are "barely covering bills" now with your current job, you should also consider saving quite a bit before taking any large steps.

 

http://www.cakeboss.com/PricingGuideline.aspx

post #13 of 20

You can be honest to your day job and say "my second job is teaching, I don't need a third fulltime job" No need to say anything at all about their cash-flow style...

 

The farmers market with vegan baked goods sounds like a GREAT idea.  It is self limiting in time, but you might have contact with (what we will all hope for) some IT billionaire who comes along and offers you the support to start up a fulltime vegan bake shop...At that point you plan to pay yourself a proper professional salary with benefits right from the start.

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If you are only making minimum wage at the deli/bakery, then they have provided no incentive for you to stay.  I would suggest that you find another minimum wage (or better) job with the hours that will allow you to have a base income and health insurance.  THEN, spend the extra time promoting your vegan items as you wish. 

 

Before you do anything, however, you need to assess your ability to run your side business as a BUSINESS, not a "fun" thing to do.  You will need to pay bills, figure the exact cost of each item, plan your shopping trips, storage of ingredients, supplies, costs of Farmer's Market's, etc.  Just because you make specialty baked goods, does NOT mean you will make a profit unless you pay close attention.

 

I recommend the CakeBoss software (10% discount with CakeCentral membership) as the first step.  Then contacting a local SCORE office to obtain information on the best way to prepare a business plan.   If you are "barely covering bills" now with your current job, you should also consider saving quite a bit before taking any large steps.

 

http://www.cakeboss.com/PricingGuideline.aspx

 

Ive been doing cakes on the side for a few years now renting kitchens. as well as my last job was as a sou chef so I have a working knowledge of cost control. just doing cakes on the side for "fun" I keep a running inventory so that when i do get orders i know off hand what i have and need. i hate nothing more then making 15 trips to the store for a cake. hahah now that i can bake out of my home it cuts down on the renting overhead. my second job is at a local bulk food store teaching and the main reason i keep that job is i get 35% off supplies and when i teach anything i use for the class is mine to take home. i also have 5000 saved from my cake jobs over the years.

 

I did look into cakeboss in the past but i am a mac and cakeboss is not. 

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You can be honest to your day job and say "my second job is teaching, I don't need a third fulltime job" No need to say anything at all about their cash-flow style...

 

The farmers market with vegan baked goods sounds like a GREAT idea.  It is self limiting in time, but you might have contact with (what we will all hope for) some IT billionaire who comes along and offers you the support to start up a fulltime vegan bake shop...At that point you plan to pay yourself a proper professional salary with benefits right from the start.

Im very blessed to be in a community that is vegetarian as its a SDA community. So vegan pastries has yet to be tapped into in this community. i hope its a great idea haha ive already talked to my uncle about the business and he wants to be a backer at this point im not ready to have a full time bakery. i want to build a fan base and learn what works in the community and find my footing before jumping into a store front. 

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Im very blessed to be in a community that is vegetarian as its a SDA community. So vegan pastries has yet to be tapped into in this community.
People in the SDA community are typically lacto-ovo-vegetarian, since they still eat eggs and dairy the market there for vegan pastries will probably be pretty limited, unless there is a separate vegan community locally.
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