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post #31 of 62
You have one order a week right now. I'd start there, where you are. Your goal is great, but there are a lot of steps and a lot of time and hard work between where you are and where you're going. With that volume, you might want your own kitchen by then. I think you need to figure out how to make the kitchen rental work with a more realistic estimate of the business you've got. Maybe start with trying to get the weekly cake for church coffee hour or be their go-to supplier for church suppers. Get your foot in the door, solidify a relationship. Then go from there and build slowly. This isn't going to happen overnight, or even in a few months. You say you're the "cheap" cake lady, but you're going to get $200 each for 8" cakes? I think you are missing some critical steps between here (where you are now) and there (where you want to be).

I'm not sure what your shoes have to do with anything nd the most recent cake central email came out riddled with typos and spelling errors, so perfect typing is not the key to success. It's a sound business plan and a realistic idea of your ability to grow your business.
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Originally Posted by kpny View Post

Did you mean 10 dozen a month, or 10 dozen a week?.

maybe i need more coffee - but my calculation 10 * 12 * 2 is $240 - not 960.

if it was 10 dozen a week, 40 for the month, then the $960 makes sense.

Yes 10 dozen a week! 40 for the month sheesh I'm not that dang stupid people come on now lol!
post #33 of 62
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Originally Posted by BakingIrene View Post

Well I guess this thread is going to crawl along. The OP's typing speaks for itself.

Dress pants and dress shoes are the traditional "uniform" of office workers.

High end catering and restaurant servers wear flat black shoes.  Their black trousers may be cut in different styles but more along the lines of Dockers. I'm talking about the folks who do the actual work going in and out of the kitchen.

Go into any bakery--the staff will uniformly be wearing flat shoes to work safely in a place where stuff spills on the floor.  The bakers wear either the white/grey chefs checked pants, or they wear white or khaki Dockers. The workers who handle the heavy jobs will be wearing steel toed shoes.

You have to dress like your chosen industry to be considered a part of that industry.  If your footwear and fingernails don't match your choice of trade, then you just won't get a toe in the foor.  Plain and simple.  And you OP can feel as insulted as you like but I am telling you God's own truth about the working world.

Are you serious? I needed to explain what type of shoes I wear? Lmbo!
FYI I have a pair of black SHOES from a uniform store. They look just like black CROCS! Please take you're negativity else where no one asked for fashion advice, trust me I look the part! As for my shirt its a custom made business t shirt with my logo and website on it please be respectful!


This is not the first time you have said something negative about my typing skills, just to inform you did you take a look at Jay Z the famous rappers typing skills on his twitter? Or maybe how some cupcake wars winners pages? I'm guesing not and if so I'm sure you wouldn't have a slight chance of getting any type of reaction out of them..
post #34 of 62
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Originally Posted by -K8memphis View Post


i suggest you target your market

go to like minded vendors, florists, caterers who do not do cakes, bridal dress shops, venues, churches etc.

shoot your arrows at the ones who are already like minded

but you have two focuses here--the retail small potatoes and the high end tier cakes--where is your focus?

how can you retail out of a borrowed space?

I was advised by a local baker that I should consider adding custom cupcakes to the daily menu to keep up with expenses. She then told me that with cakes alone she would not be in business. Also I didn't mean "retail" I meant a daily choice for clientele.
post #35 of 62
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Originally Posted by LovelyCakes4Us View Post


I was advised by a local baker that I should consider adding custom cupcakes to the daily menu to keep up with expenses. She then told me that with cakes alone she would not be in business. Also I didn't mean "retail" I meant a daily choice for clientele.

 

 

where do you sell them from?

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post #36 of 62
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Originally Posted by Sassyzan View Post

You have one order a week right now. I'd start there, where you are. Your goal is great, but there are a lot of steps and a lot of time and hard work between where you are and where you're going. With that volume, you might want your own kitchen by then. I think you need to figure out how to make the kitchen rental work with a more realistic estimate of the business you've got. Maybe start with trying to get the weekly cake for church coffee hour or be their go-to supplier for church suppers. Get your foot in the door, solidify a relationship. Then go from there and build slowly. This isn't going to happen overnight, or even in a few months. You say you're the "cheap" cake lady, but you're going to get $200 each for 8" cakes? I think you are missing some critical steps between here (where you are now) and there (where you want to be).

I'm not sure what your shoes have to do with anything nd the most recent cake central email came out riddled with typos and spelling errors, so perfect typing is not the key to success. It's a sound business plan and a realistic idea of your ability to grow your business.


Thank you for the advice, no way would I charge $200 for a cake, I wrote all of that in a jippy.. I am going to be charging 3.50 per serving which would not be $200 for a 8".. Currently I only charge $40 for a 8" three layer round.

I too agree with what you have said about the shoes and typing skills, I know its something I do need to improve on that's for sure. But i will not let that alone hold me back from something I am completely compassionate about.
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Question, do you see anything wrong with my typing skills? Hay mite as well ask while I'm at it.
Your written communication skills are not terrible, but they could probably use some improvement in terms of spelling, punctuation, and grammar (especially homophones). The fact that other people might have worse written communication skills is not relevant.

You may also want to work on not taking things so personally or reading malicious intent where none exists. A thick skin is essential in any business where you are dealing with the general public.
post #38 of 62
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Originally Posted by -K8memphis View Post


where do you sell them from?

I was renting a kitchen for three years that could not supply the amount of hours I need to move on in my business, I have not made any cakes besides display cakes in the last two weeks. I then found this church and will be working out of their kitchen once the health inspector checks it out tomorrow. That is why I wrote this form to see if anyone had any advice to how I could ask the church to lower their price from 20/ a hour to maybe 10/15 a hour. But clearly this conversation is starting to become something other then I had intended.
post #39 of 62
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Originally Posted by LovelyCakes4Us View Post

Total 4,570 a month
- 720 renting the kitchen a month
-240 for cupcake ingredients
-120.00 8" ingredients
-100.00 two tier ingredients
-120.00 wedding cake ingredients
-900.00 house rent
-100 electric
-55.00 phone
-300.00 food
-100.00 car

Leaves me with 1,640 profit..

Your personal budget and your business budget should be completely separate.

If you are paying for the kitchen hourly, how do you know how much time you'll need per month? Start from the ground up and make sure all your different products are profitable at the price point you choose after you take labor and overhead into account. Once you have the profit per order it will be much easier to make different projections for total net income.

You have not taken into account the cost of your labor or other overhead such as insurance, license fees, accounting, web site development, or marketing.
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That's not terrific or anything but it would work for start up, as for marketing ill go the cheapy routes,flyers,business cards word to mouth,website,Google,Facebook,heck even door to door handing out flyers on the door knob. Etc etc

Cheap marketing often ends up reaching cheap customers.
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Originally Posted by jason_kraft View Post

Your written communication skills are not terrible, but they could probably use some improvement in terms of spelling, punctuation, and grammar (especially homophones). The fact that other people might have worse written communication skills is not relevant.

You may also want to work on not taking things so personally or reading malicious intent where none exists. A thick skin is essential in any business where you are dealing with the general public.
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Originally Posted by jason_kraft View Post

Your written communication skills are not terrible, but they could probably use some improvement in terms of spelling, punctuation, and grammar (especially homophones). The fact that other people might have worse written communication skills is not relevant.

You may also want to work on not taking things so personally or reading malicious intent where none exists. A thick skin is essential in any business where you are dealing with the general public.[/quot


Believe it or not I love good criticism, and this my friend to me is good criticism. As for the whole shoes ordeal that was just rude and I refuse to put up with CC member who THINK they are holyer then thou! I would never ever come at a customer like that honestly i wouldn't even respond.
post #41 of 62
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Originally Posted by LovelyCakes4Us View Post

I was advised by a local baker that I should consider adding custom cupcakes to the daily menu to keep up with expenses. She then told me that with cakes alone she would not be in business. Also I didn't mean "retail" I meant a daily choice for clientele.

If you had a storefront with high fixed costs I would agree, but most of your costs will be variable so you would need to see how the market demand for cupcakes and profitability compares with custom cakes. If you have no storefront and fill custom orders only how would having a daily inventory of products help you?

Taking advice from others is great, but you need to vet that advice against your own costs and revenue projections to see if it makes sense for you.
post #42 of 62
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Originally Posted by LovelyCakes4Us View Post

Believe it or not I love good criticism, and this my friend to me is good criticism. As for the whole shoes ordeal that was just rude and I refuse to put up with CC member who THINK they are holyer then thou! I would never ever come at a customer like that honestly i wouldn't even respond.

The comment about shoes (and visual presentation in general) makes sense. If you look like you are a professional baker, people will assume you know what you're doing. If you don't look like a professional baker, you can still make a good impression but you need to work harder at it and rely on your verbal communication skills.
post #43 of 62
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Originally Posted by jason_kraft View Post

Your personal budget and your business budget should be completely separate.

If you are paying for the kitchen hourly, how do you know how much time you'll need per month? Start from the ground up and make sure all your different products are profitable at the price point you choose after you take labor and overhead into account. Once you have the profit per order it will be much easier to make different projections for total net income.

You have not taken into account the cost of your labor or other overhead such as insurance, license fees, accounting, web site development, or marketing.
Cheap marketing often ends up reaching cheap customers.

Like I've stated, I wrote that all up with in minutes its just a "what if" type of thing. As for the cheap marketing thing, that's not true at all, have you read the book (starting a business with 100.00) clearly you can start as cheap as possible and once income generates I could participate in bridal shows, media, more professional looking flyers etc. As of right now I plan to have a free sample tasting once a month for three months held at the church with their consent. Flyers,internet marketing such as Google,face book,website (which is free with vista print) and so on. I think that's a good start.
post #44 of 62
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Originally Posted by jason_kraft View Post

The comment about shoes (and visual presentation in general) makes sense. If you look like you are a professional baker, people will assume you know what you're doing. If you don't look like a professional baker, you can still make a good impression but you need to work harder at it and rely on your verbal communication skills.

To me it does not make sense as I've already got the whole attire thing down to a T. She ASSUMED I didn't have the proper attire just by reading one comment I made. And she simply did not need to go on and explain herself when its something I already know.

Note: this is not the first time I've had issues with her, a MOD had to block a thread I started due to how disrespectful she was being, so this is a personal matter. She can private message me but instead loves to beat down my typing skills constantly. You come to a point as a human being that things just go to far and this is one of them times she should shut her trap and keep her words to herself. But no she wants to make it CLEAR I have issues with typing and so on. If you ask me she's very unprofessional for nit picking on someone for their problems.
post #45 of 62
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Originally Posted by LovelyCakes4Us View Post


I was renting a kitchen for three years that could not supply the amount of hours I need to move on in my business, I have not made any cakes besides display cakes in the last two weeks. I then found this church and will be working out of their kitchen once the health inspector checks it out tomorrow. That is why I wrote this form to see if anyone had any advice to how I could ask the church to lower their price from 20/ a hour to maybe 10/15 a hour. But clearly this conversation is starting to become something other then I had intended.

 

the church did that to discourage you from proceeding i don't know of any way to get someone else to change thier price except maybe barter

 

what can you offer them

 

churches like free stuff

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