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I think $15 is rather low for some of the talented cakers, I know that a lady on here who does high end items pays herself $40 an hour, but I don't know how fast she is. My poor hard working husband makes $14 as an unskilled laborer, so we need to make more since we buy our own tools, pay for our own training, do all the buying, research, and not everyone possess the skills to do it right.

I still have a hard time estimating my times, and I still put most of my money back into the bakery in the form of cake toys, but when I pay myself it is $25 an hour.

And the $8-$15 an hour is for an employee, not a business owner. Walmart may pay $10 in the bakery, but the owners don't pay themselves that!
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post #32 of 157

The woman who cleans my friend's house earns $40 an hour. Just saying.

post #33 of 157
The $8-15/hour wage reported for cake decorating jobs on salary surveys is skewed toward entry level positions, since most cake decorating employees don't have a lot of experience and generally work for businesses that compete on price. There's no reason you can't exceed that if your skills and productivity warrant it, but I find it's a good starting point for beginners who are still working on improving efficiency. As you become more efficient, your effective hourly wage will increase organically since you will be able to make more products in less time.

Plus, as the owner of a cake decorating business, if labor is (e.g.) 50% of your total cost you can double your markup percentage and add that to your effective wage. I find it's helpful to separate your hourly wage from markup, so if and when you're ready to hire a decorator you'll know exactly what they should earn.

$40/hour is a lot to clean a house, when we hire maids it usually works out to $15-25/hour for each team member fully loaded (meaning that includes the costs of materials, overhead, and markup, not just labor). The hourly wage is probably in that same $8-15/hour range.
post #34 of 157

I believe if you were to do this then have a section for hobby decorators who don't feel that their cakes are worth the same as a more experienced decorator. I don't  feel right charging some one $100 for a cake because I am not worth that much. I am an amateur and not afraid to admit it. I am not trying to take business from someone else. I am a SAHM who likes to decorate and I feel as long as I make enough money for my supplies then I am doing great. Not everyone is in it to make money and what's wrong with enjoying a hobby and making some money. Do you really think us hobby SAHM decorators are taking away from local bakeries. If anything we are taking away from the supermarkets. Most people I am doing cakes for want something nice but can't afford to pay $3 a slice for a cake but they can pay $1 to $2. I just am not sure where that should factor in for pricing and comparison. People think I am trying to do better than our local bakery but I am not I am just having a great time being creative!!!

post #35 of 157
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I am a SAHM who likes to decorate and I feel as long as I make enough money for my supplies then I am doing great. Not everyone is in it to make money and what's wrong with enjoying a hobby and making some money. Do you really think us hobby SAHM decorators are taking away from local bakeries.
Yes. If you are accepting money for your cakes you are operating a business, and charging below market rates hurts all other businesses in your market.

There's nothing wrong with pursuing cake decorating as an amateur, but the very definition of an amateur is that they do not get paid. So if you want to keep your hobby, charge $0 for your cakes.
post #36 of 157
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Yes. If you are accepting money for your cakes you are operating a business, and charging below market rates hurts all other businesses in your market.

There's nothing wrong with pursuing cake decorating as an amateur, but the very definition of an amateur is that they do not get paid. So if you want to keep your hobby, charge $0 for your cakes.

Wow that was super rude!! The definition of an amateur doesn't speak of money at all, so hmmmm. I guess if someone wants to be a professional they just start out being that way never having to work their way up or start as a hobby!! 

 

Also if someone is going to a supermarket to buy a cake and they decide to go to me instead then I am not hurting a local bakery only a Kroger or Publix. 

 

 

I guess the whole world is full of greed and nobody can do something for a friend without charging an arm and a leg!!!

post #37 of 157
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Wow that was super rude!! The definition of an amateur doesn't speak of money at all, so hmmmm. I guess if someone wants to be a professional they just start out being that way never having to work their way up or start as a hobby!! 

 

Also if someone is going to a supermarket to buy a cake and they decide to go to me instead then I am not hurting a local bakery only a Kroger or Publix. 

 

 

I guess the whole world is full of greed and nobody can do something for a friend without charging an arm and a leg!!!

Oh please, his answer was 100% correct. And polite.icon_confused.gif

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post #38 of 157
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The woman who cleans my friend's house earns $40 an hour. Just saying.

Exactly. 

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Now Jason, I almost always agree with you but not this time. KLHoward has a point. If someone is truly just starting out, has little experience, & is doing this as a hobby they can't really expect to charge the same. How many cakes can they possibly do?

I understand it perpetuates the silly client who thinks they can get cheap cake. No one wants that. However, If they explain this is a hobby, the funds barely cover costs, etc I say go for it.

When I first left the bakery for whom I worked, I was done. I left to get pregnant & have a baby! So many people wanted my cakes. It got to the point that my husband said it was costing too much. So, I started asking people to cover my cost...just cost. I did maybe one all cake every month. I doubt it impacted any local business. Once word spread, my husband demanded & encouraged more legal avenues & a real business. Still, even without years in the industry, I was new. I set my first 3 wedding cakes at $3.75 per slice. That's a steal in my town ($4 - $icon_cool.gif The rest that first year were $4 per slice.

Oops I guess I ran on a bit about me. I se all the valid points. If it is a hobby & you just like doing it @ want to cover costs, please remember to say so. Educate potential clients for the rest of us.

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post #40 of 157
I'm sorry if you thought my response was rude, I was just sharing my opinion and answering a question from your post.
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I guess if someone wants to be a professional they just start out being that way never having to work their way up or start as a hobby!! 

Not at all, if you want to be a professional you can certainly start as a hobby, as long as you don't operate a business (e.g. accepting money for orders).
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Also if someone is going to a supermarket to buy a cake and they decide to go to me instead then I am not hurting a local bakery only a Kroger or Publix. 

If you are just as skilled as a local bakery but selling your products at a fraction of the price, you are harming the local bakery as well, not to mention driving down the public perception of what reasonable prices are for cakes.
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I guess the whole world is full of greed and nobody can do something for a friend without charging an arm and a leg!!!

Not true, if you want to make a cake for a friend as an amateur you can offer it as a gift.
post #41 of 157
I hardly feel greedy when I write all the checks to pay my bills and feed and clothe my family. Truthfully, I thought that cakes were over priced and I started doing my own cakes because we couldn't afford a cake from Walmart, when I was a little girl with my dead aunt's 8 year old Wilton kit. ( it was made the year i was born). After countless sleepless nights and unappreciative "customers" who are cake poor but party and gifts rich, I realized that is a poor mentality and I deserve more money for my labor than .13¢ an hour! Seriously! That was for a 30 serving 3-D shark cake I did, and charged $30 for.
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post #42 of 157

So only a professional can make money, all others need to give someone a cake for free!! Wow, hmmmmm, seems very odd to me!!! This just in~CAKES for sale only by professionals, all others don't bother your just an amateur!!

post #43 of 157
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Originally Posted by DeliciousDesserts View Post

Now Jason, I almost always agree with you but not this time. KLHoward has a point. If someone is truly just starting out, has little experience, & is doing this as a hobby they can't really expect to charge the same. How many cakes can they possibly do?

I understand it perpetuates the silly client who thinks they can get cheap cake. No one wants that. However, If they explain this is a hobby, the funds barely cover costs, etc I say go for it.

Cake decorating can be an expensive hobby, so if you want to pursue it you can either wait until you have enough money saved up so you can afford to give away cakes, practice on reusable dummies, or start a legal business with appropriate pricing. It is dangerous to sell food products (even unprofitably) without a license or insurance. Either you have a hobby or a business, it can't be both.
post #44 of 157
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I hardly feel greedy when I write all the checks to pay my bills and feed and clothe my family. Truthfully, I thought that cakes were over priced and I started doing my own cakes because we couldn't afford a cake from Walmart, when I was a little girl with my dead aunt's 8 year old Wilton kit. ( it was made the year i was born). After countless sleepless nights and unappreciative "customers" who are cake poor but party and gifts rich, I realized that is a poor mentality and I deserve more money for my labor than .13¢ an hour! Seriously! That was for a 30 serving 3-D shark cake I did, and charged $30 for.

I don't believe all decorators are greedy but this guys post sure sounds greedy! I don't believe for one second cakes are overpriced but I feel at my skill level, I would be over charging!! But if you do amazing cakes and are experienced you have earned that right! I on the other hand haven't and don't feel I should be paid as if I had. Maybe one day but not today!

post #45 of 157
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So only a professional can make money, all others need to give someone a cake for free!!
Correct, that is the definition of a professional.
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