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Originally Posted by Declansmama View Post

I am tired of this young girl who asks for a price on a cake then has someone else make it! I think she is giving someone else my price and they are beating it..although the cakes she is posting on FB are sloppy... you get what you pay for! So, she just asked for a price again . This time I asked when she needs it for. When she responds I will be booked that week icon_wink.gif

I know this feeling...there are a couple girls on Facebook that do the same thing to me...I have got to where I am "unavailable." When they need a cake...lol.
post #3017 of 3030
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Originally Posted by Lizzybug78 View Post

I posted this as a moan on another thread, then remembered there's a thread just for that. icon_smile.gif

I did a wedding fair last weekend, and I had one lady come up who was lovely, then her mum turned up. Not so lovely. Tried my cakes and said they were absolutely delicious (ok, that bit was nice!) kept on saying that to both daughters, then after asking me how much various designs were turned to bride and and said 'she could make the cakes and leave them plain, I'm sure we can decorate them'. First off, 'She'?! I'm right here lady! Secondly, how irritating is it when someone looks at work that's taken you 20 hours to complete, and basically says it's not worth paying this person for that, let's just diy it. Do it out of earshot at least!

I'm not overly expensive btw, I'm not cheap either, but I know I'm not ott.

She then asked me how much for a plain cake. I said - very pleasantly as it goes - 'I don't know, no one's ever asked before', then just turned away to another customer. I know it's rude, but I was pi**ed and really didn't want to entertain her questions any more.

Also, there's no way I'm putting my name to something when I don't have control over the end result, that would be mad!

Oh, wow!!! I would be furious! I hate being asked " so you just get to stay home and bake cakes? Sounds like an easy way to make money..." Umm, no!

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Originally Posted by lunawhisper0013 View Post

Lol...using this if you don't mind bahahahhaha!
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Originally Posted by dukeswalker View Post

1) I donated a cake for a Relay for Life event recently and I stuck around to help cut/serve.  I lovely woman was raving to another volunteer about the cake - and that volunteer directed her to me.  She asked for another piece and raved some more to me.  (Awwww gosh. icon_rolleyes.gif ) She then comes back and asks if I have a card, which I do - and as I'm handing it to her I mention that I am not local (it was an event 1.5 hrs from my home).  She tells me thats OK - she just wants to me to email her the recipes I used for the cake.

Ummmm.  Awkward.


2) I was recently contacted by a MOB about a wedding cake.  She states that her daughter thinks she is getting a "deal" from a "friend".  She tells me this "friend" offered to make a "small box mix cake with canned buttercream for $60 and 50 cake pops at $2.50 each".  She had seen/tasted my cake at another wedding (totally scratch, totally custom: and thought I would be able to beat the friend's price and she wanted to stay under $100!

I politely told her that she was getting a great deal.  icon_wink.gif
Yep, I would have to. icon_wink.gif it seems like a lot of people scoff at paying more than $50 for a cake. I usually politely suggest Walmart...

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Originally Posted by MyFairDiva View Post

Just to update, the Jack Daniel's cake was a success! She even sent me pictures of the place and the cake cut, said: "We all loved it! Even my mother and she's really picky!"
That's definitely something to say to a baker me thinks icon_wink.gif











My fair diva: which letter sets did you use? I love the different fonts on this cake! Great job, btw...
post #3018 of 3030
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Originally Posted by ellavanilla View Post

"I'll go with your price and renegotiate if it's too much."


you can try....
bahahahahahahhaha!!!
post #3019 of 3030
So, I have a few more:
1) I have noticed a trend amongst my acquaintances to say something like " So you bake cakes for a living? It must be so nice to get to stay home with your son and have an easy way to make money..." Um, yeah right. I love what I do, but it can be challenging, and time consuming, and there is a lot more money that you have to put into it than people realize. I don't know if it is the same everywhere, but it seems around here, the general impression is that there is little to no startup cost to "become" a cake decorator...like if you have a 9x13 cake pan and a box mix, that's all there is to it. Seriously...it infuriates me. I'm sure I have probably made some waves, but I have got so tired of it, that I usually (nicely) respond and educate these people! I will say something like "Yes, I do love my work...but just like any other job, there is more than meets they eye. The hours can sometimes be intense as I make everything from scratch, and the cost of operation is a lot more than meets the eye. "

2) there is a cake baker in my area (she is probably around 55, and I actually used to go to church with her) who makes mostly buttercream cakes, and only charges like $25-30 for 2 tiers!! She is a very sweet lady, and a fairly decent baker...I can't figure out her reasons. But people who know both of us have seriously asked why I am so much more expensive. I am just blunt about it and say " There is NO WAY if she is baking from scratch that she is making any money, at all. She must just be doing this because she is being nice, or she is losing money...simple as that." But because of her bargain basement prices, I lose business...ugh!
I am considered one of the higher priced cake bakers in my area, but If I am going to dedicate my time and effort and miss spending time with my toddler, I need to be paid what it is worth. Plus I am constantly buying new tools, purchasing classes, etc to further my skill set, not just have about 5 things I can do to a cake that I repeat over and over. That's not mean, it is just business. I can't afford to give all my cakes away like she does.

3) this one is just a funny, but :shock:my best friend actually turned into a PITA customer. She asked me to do her birthday cake, and said "I trust you, do what you want" then gave me a long list of demands, and kept changing her design up until a few days before the party. She paid me to do the cake. Luckily, we are really close, so when she asked me if she was being difficult, I straight up said yes! Then we had a good laugh about it. At least she was a good sport. icon_biggrin.gif I told her just to trust me. She ended up being very pleased with the cake, and even insisted on paying me more than I charged her. So this one had a happy ending lol.

4) I hate when people are SO RUDE when discussing a cake. I get messages daily with just a picture and the words "how much", or they start listing demands right off the bat, sometimes in all caps! Does anyone else find this rude? When I usually start a conversation with someone about their services, I greet them, then say "I was just interested in._________...for this date________...could you please give me some more information?" Grr...does it physically hurt people to be polite?

5) And finally, since this is is the only place I can say this out loud, but does it bother anyone else that sometimes people rave on and on across social media about your "competition," and how marvelous their cakes are, when it honestly looks like something found on cake wrecks? Their high praise is usually followed by "And I only paid [insert ridiculously low amount]. Well, duh it was cheap...look at it!! It was very obviously just thrown together with little skill!!
I am not trying to be mean...just bluntly honest since it is only here that I can say what runs through my mind lol...
post #3020 of 3030
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Originally Posted by Mybearsbaby View Post

So, I have a few more:
1) I have noticed a trend amongst my acquaintances to say something like " So you bake cakes for a living? It must be so nice to get to stay home with your son and have an easy way to make money..." Um, yeah right. I love what I do, but it can be challenging, and time consuming, and there is a lot more money that you have to put into it than people realize. I don't know if it is the same everywhere, but it seems around here, the general impression is that there is little to no startup cost to "become" a cake decorator...like if you have a 9x13 cake pan and a box mix, that's all there is to it. Seriously...it infuriates me. I'm sure I have probably made some waves, but I have got so tired of it, that I usually (nicely) respond and educate these people! I will say something like "Yes, I do love my work...but just like any other job, there is more than meets they eye. The hours can sometimes be intense as I make everything from scratch, and the cost of operation is a lot more than meets the eye. "

Didn't you know, we just do this as a hobby! At least that's what I get told (I have genuinely been asked why I can't do it cheaper as it's just a hobby) - work from home making cakes =not to be taken seriously, as clearly you're not working 9-5. No sh*t. When I'm doing a cake I consider it a good day if I manage less than a 12 hour day!

2) there is a cake baker in my area (she is probably around 55, and I actually used to go to church with her) who makes mostly buttercream cakes, and only charges like $25-30 for 2 tiers!! She is a very sweet lady, and a fairly decent baker...I can't figure out her reasons. But people who know both of us have seriously asked why I am so much more expensive. I am just blunt about it and say " There is NO WAY if she is baking from scratch that she is making any money, at all. She must just be doing this because she is being nice, or she is losing money...simple as that." But because of her bargain basement prices, I lose business...ugh!
I am considered one of the higher priced cake bakers in my area, but If I am going to dedicate my time and effort and miss spending time with my toddler, I need to be paid what it is worth. Plus I am constantly buying new tools, purchasing classes, etc to further my skill set, not just have about 5 things I can do to a cake that I repeat over and over. That's not mean, it is just business. I can't afford to give all my cakes away like she does.

I've got those too, I think we all do. Mine invariably come from that Satan's pit of rude, cheap people, Facebook. I ranted on here last year about a woman who told me my prices were ridiculous 3 times in a 10 minute period, lastly telling me that she had got it for a third of my price. This was for a cake for her boyfriend's 20th. Unbelievably she messaged me a few days ago asking for a quote for a much more elaborate cake for his 21st! Right, that's happening. I was busy unfortunately, as it was the day I'd planned to stare at a wall.
3) this one is just a funny, but :shock:my best friend actually turned into a PITA customer. She asked me to do her birthday cake, and said "I trust you, do what you want" then gave me a long list of demands, and kept changing her design up until a few days before the party. She paid me to do the cake. Luckily, we are really close, so when she asked me if she was being difficult, I straight up said yes! Then we had a good laugh about it. At least she was a good sport. icon_biggrin.gif I told her just to trust me. She ended up being very pleased with the cake, and even insisted on paying me more than I charged her. So this one had a happy ending lol.

4) I hate when people are SO RUDE when discussing a cake. I get messages daily with just a picture and the words "how much", or they start listing demands right off the bat, sometimes in all caps! Does anyone else find this rude? When I usually start a conversation with someone about their services, I greet them, then say "I was just interested in._________...for this date________...could you please give me some more information?" Grr...does it physically hurt people to be polite?

Yes again! I've lost count of the 'how much for a birthday cake?' messages (again, always Facebook). No hello, no thank you, please, nothing. Just rude.

5) And finally, since this is is the only place I can say this out loud, but does it bother anyone else that sometimes people rave on and on across social media about your "competition," and how marvelous their cakes are, when it honestly looks like something found on cake wrecks? Their high praise is usually followed by "And I only paid [insert ridiculously low amount]. Well, duh it was cheap...look at it!! It was very obviously just thrown together with little skill!!
I am not trying to be mean...just bluntly honest since it is only here that I can say what runs through my mind lol...

Yes yes yes! That's when I feel like giving up, when I've done something pretty cool and had almost no reaction, while the local cheap cake ladies whack a bag of Malteasers on a cake and you'd think they'd designed the royal wedding cake!

I have to admit, I did have a bit of a smug smile when the rude lady came back to me... I guess I know now how good her cut price cake was icon_biggrin.gif
post #3021 of 3030
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Originally Posted by Lizzybug78 View Post

Yes yes yes! That's when I feel like giving up, when I've done something pretty cool and had almost no reaction, while the local cheap cake ladies whack a bag of Malteasers on a cake and you'd think they'd designed the royal wedding cake!
Bahahahahahahhaha!!! Lol, yep!

I have to admit, I did have a bit of a smug smile when the rude lady came back to me... I guess I know now how good her cut price cake was icon_biggrin.gif
yep, haha icon_wink.gif

...And your comment about it being the day you planned to stare at the wall seriously made me laugh out loud. I too find myself "unavailable" for certain people haha. icon_biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Declansmama View Post

I am tired of this young girl who asks for a price on a cake then has someone else make it! I think she is giving someone else my price and they are beating it..although the cakes she is posting on FB are sloppy... you get what you pay for! So, she just asked for a price again . This time I asked when she needs it for. When she responds I will be booked that week icon_wink.gif

I know this feeling...there are a couple girls on Facebook that do the same thing to me...I have got to where I am "unavailable." When they need a cake...lol.

 

 

 

 

I had someone like this, they kept sending me a design and asking for a price. after the fourth time in a 2 month period I did some stalking and turns out she was asking me prices so she could give them to HER customers for HER services. Should have charged her a consultation fee.

post #3023 of 3030
Loving this thread, on page 78, so far. I'm NOT in the cake business, but I own a painting company. I just really enjoy baking for family, it's my stress release (I can hear all of you crack up @ that statement after all these posts I've read, lol).

I can't tell you how similar all these circumstances are. Clients complain about their current painter, he doesn't do this that or the other etc, but then proceed to ask if I can do what I do for his prices.

Or the, "why is it so expensive, it's just paint,it's not hard, I see what can be done on tv"

Oh god, the price undercutting is ridiculous & purposeful.

I suppose all small companies can face the same issues, no matter how different!
post #3024 of 3030

I made an Elsa doll cake (from movie Frozen).  This cake with the doll cost me $75 to make just in materials.  I advertised the cake for $100, (they get to keep the doll) which was paying myself less than $15/hour and assumed that I only spent 2 hours baking/decorating it, which believe me, it was far more hours than that!  Response?  Too much money.  

 

Last week I did a three tier wedding cake for 60 people.  The MOB is a florist and owns an upscale Florist business.  She texted me three times that she was going to decorate the cake-- she wanted the cake delivered to the hall with no decoration.  It was white fondant with white ribbons and some edible pearls on the sides.  Very very plain.  I delivered the cake and she told me she had no idea what she was going to do with the cake-- hadn't thought about it yet.  I was a guest at the wedding.  When I got there I was shocked to see that she had done nothing to the cake except put this hideous glittered letter on the top.  And, someone had stuck their thumb through the fondant in the very front of the cake.  The hall had stuck it nearly in the middle of the room and people were using the table as a place to put their empty glasses.  I thought someone would knock the table over.  So disappointing.  Don't think I'll let that happen again.  People knew I did the cake, I didn't want to bad mouth the MOB, but that was going to be a source of advertising and referral for me and it looked like I forgot to decorate the cake!  Many people did compliment me on the taste, so that was worth something.

 

I have a consultation coming up next week.  She wants me to do a small cutting cake for photos and then she's going to Costco to buy sheet cakes to serve her guests.  I can't wait to see what her budget is going to be.  I'm sure she's gonna want something for nothing here.  I think I'll be busy.

 

But this brings up that age old question-- how do you charge for a cake?  My sugar gum flowers take hours to make.  They are very real looking.  I've seen some very poor quality ones on Easy for $28 for one medium size rose.  If I only charge $10 a flower, which is ridiculously low-- even just 4 flowers brings that cake cost up $40 and then it's too expensive for most people.  What's up with that?

 

I checked with local bakers that do wedding cakes-- their most basic cake is $3.75 a slice-- 2 layers per tier, not the three or 4 I do.  I'm getting less than that for cakes with beautiful flowers and custom decorating.  What am I doing wrong here?  I guess the problem is I want to bake and unless I keep my prices below my cost I'm not getting clients.  Any suggestions?

post #3025 of 3030
Hello everybody again!
To the ones interested in how I made the fonts for the Jack Daniel's cake, and the like, I make my own templates when the cake features a logo of some sort.

First I find the logo in .eps format, for example, you can try http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/
I then open a new Word file and insert the file as an Image. The good thing about .eps files is that they are vectorial type images, that means (among other things) that you can enlarge them as big as you want. So I make it the size I need, and then print it out.
I glue the paper onto a clean cardboard sheet and begin to carefully cut letter by letter with an x-acto knife. I keep each letter in an envelope and the cut template for future reference.
I roll my paste (50-50 gumpaste and sugarpaste) thin and cut pieces to the size I need and keep them inside a Ziploc bag.
I place a cardboard letter on top of the piece if paste and begin cutting again. It is much easier to cut paste than to cut cardboard when it has a lot of details, mind you, so this part will be quicker. If you make a mistake or break it, just pick a new paste squareish piece and start over.
Once you have all your letters dry, arrange them over your cake guiding yourself with the template you saved for referemce icon_smile.gif
I would post pictures but the navigator at the office doesn't let me. Will try later from home.

Hope that helps!
Cin
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post #3026 of 3030
Oops, I'm sorry about the post repetition, someone had asked me on this same thread in the past and I wasn't sure if I had replied. It was too late to delete it when I realized.

On another note, does anyone else feel "blah" when the customers orders a very, very plain cake?.. I recently had an order from an old classmate, he wanted a chocolate cake covered in blue fondant, with a golden small crown on top and his name, also in gold... so plain...! He didn't want anything else at all. I tried to do a really cute crown, and perfect fondant, but over all I just felt bored with it. I barely took one photo, for my own record.

He liked it, and I was a guest at his birthday party so I saw how the rest of the guests liked it but anyhow, I felt I could have done so much better if he had given me some creative liberties...?
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post #3027 of 3030
That's very funny @MyFairDiva, I did a cake for a friend like that recently. I did number 1 birthday cake for his daughter, he wasn't sure what he wanted beyond flavours so I made some beautiful hand painted butterflies and flowers to arrange on the cake, and cut a message in a lovely font. A couple of days before I had to decorate it his wife got involved, she wanted plain buttercream with a musk stick border and white chocolate bits in a grid pattern on top, with no message. Completely blah...

Did I do a nice job? Yes. Was it satisfying? Absolutely not, I felt like I was decorating with one hand tied behind my back!

The crazy thing is, this guy is a super-talented gym instructor who teaches amazing choreographed dance classes he develops himself. I told him that cake was the equivalent of me demanding he teach a pre-choreographed class - would it be good - yes - but would it utilise his true potential? - of course not!

Anyway, I think the issue was his wife had no idea the sorts of cakes I CAN do, so she was thinking only about generic bakery cakes...hopefully I can educate her before next October!
post #3028 of 3030
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Originally Posted by Mybearsbaby View Post

Ugh!!!!! So I just had a girl ask me why my price was so high...I quoted her $40 for one of those giant cupcakes with Mickey mouse ears. I actually thought it was a fair price, maybe even a little low. She said someone else quoted her lower prices, and wanted to know why I was so expensive, I blew up and told her why...ugh! I had a hot head moment I guess.

Its probably not right to have her name in that pic...

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Oh goodness!! I thought I had cropped it out!! I will take it down and/or edit. Thanks for pointing this out.

Update: I'm not sure how to delete my picture from here. I flagged it and wrote why, so maybe an admin will take it down? I feel really bad about having her name on it.
post #3030 of 3030
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Originally Posted by Mybearsbaby View Post

Oh goodness!! I thought I had cropped it out!! I will take it down and/or edit. Thanks for pointing this out.

Update: I'm not sure how to delete my picture from here. I flagged it and wrote why, so maybe an admin will take it down? I feel really bad about having her name on it.

That always happens with cropping, It seems to keep the original screenshot still. Silly Technology

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