Seems like I read where he mentioned having a passion for business and the legalities of running a business. Maybe he should start his own blog on that subject. He seems to be very intelligent and knowledgeable on the subject, I think people would rather he waited to be asked before "helping".
I'm actually working on writing a book on the subject, although I don't have much free time between my full-time job, managing a bakery, and helping to take care of my newborn daughter.
Also I was more than a little surprised to see him suggest to an OP that maybe she should sic the law on "illegal" bakers in her area.
The baker in question was being run out of business by (among other things) illegal home bakers in her area undercutting her on price. Requesting that the local authorities actually enforce the law is a valid business tactic. It may not be nice, but when running a business sometimes you can't afford to be nice.
And this was just another good business tactic too, right?
"One tactic (for those with commercial kitchens in FL) could be to preemptively contact venues in your area and discuss whether or not they will allow food into the venue from vendors licensed under the CFL. Considering all food made under the CFL must be labeled "not inspected by health dept" I wouldn't be surprised if venues decided not to allow deliveries from cottage food vendors. "
Not only must one be legal, but one must also be a certain kind of legal.
See this is the exact thing we are talking about Jason, your in California for F*** Sakes and your INJECTING yourself into a conversation going on IN FLORIDA...If your so busy running your own business and taking care of a newborn then why in the hell do you care about whats going on in FLORIDA? Do you seriously just sit back and WAIT for the pot to be stirred and then gotta sit there and stir it more? Too many cooks in the kitchen will ruin the food.... Run your own business and dont worry about everyone elses
Thank you! You've said it better than I. How anyone can profess to know the legalities of every state, of every country is beyond me. How anyone can add a suggestion that it be manitory that every member of CC have their profession; professional, semi professional, non professional, upcoming shop, cottage food baker, newbie etc, in their profile, is beyond me also, and downright insulting! That idiotic request, thankfully, was soon deleted.
Jason, what the members of CC do for a living, for a hobby, legal,not legal, cottage baker, home baker, licenced home baker, newbie, soon to be shop owner, is none of your business. The only time it becomes your business is when that information is offered to you. If you are asked for business advice, by all means lend your knowledge. If you are not asked for advice, if the OP does not ask, then move on! Take KakeMistesses sage advice. Run your own business. Quite trying to run everyone elses.
Re the FL thread...there was a discussion about how existing licensed bakers could distinguish themselves from new legal home bakers entering the market. As the owner of an existing licensed bakery in CA (which does not have a CFL) I have thought about this myself, so I offered my advice to a previous poster asking how to distinguish their business. One such tactic is to gain exclusivity or at least preferred vendor status with local venues, some of which may not be aware of the new CFL in the state.
Networking with venues and negotiating by pushing your business's competitive advantages (in this case being inspected by the health dept) seems like a good idea to me. Like it or not, there are different levels of standards for food service businesses -- I wouldn't say different levels of legality, since a home baker who follows the CFL in their state is just as legal as a retail bakery owner.
Their opinions on legality and advice on same was not welcome when not asked for
What can I say, I enjoy a healthy debate. At a minimum this thread will at least entertain the crowd. 
How anyone can profess to know the legalities of every state, of every country is beyond me.
That's beyond me too, who has claimed to know the legalities of every state and every country?
How anyone can add a suggestion that it be manitory that every member of CC have their profession; professional, semi professional, non professional, upcoming shop, cottage food baker, newbie etc, in their profile
Another straw man argument. Just like all the other attributes in your profile, the "type of business" attribute would be entirely optional.
And by the way thanks for letting me know my suggestion was deleted...not sure why that happened, I went ahead and reposted it. 
I would just like to add that while reading a forum on another cake site, someone posted "Got my first paying job." Not ONE person told this poster to check the legalities of baking this cake, but she did get many congratulations. Sadly, I don't think this post would have been the same here I wish...
I would just like to add that while reading a forum on another cake site, someone posted "Got my first paying job." Not ONE person told this poster to check the legalities of baking this cake, but she did get many congratulations. Sadly, I don't think this post would have been the same here I wish...
Which forum was this? I'd better head over there quick and share some unsolicited business advice.
Just kidding.
I just sat here and read all 11 pages of posts. Yes I have no life.
Here's my take:
Jason is the only one who really cares if you are legal...so just learn to ignore his posts when they aren't really helpful.
I find I always PM a poster directly when I think they were attacked and give my opinion which I usually don't want to post because of being afraid of being attacked. Most of the times its something along the lines of I just found out I am illegal and have a cake booked should I cancel it? I always say no...chances are you will be safe, health dept. doesn't know or care and no one is going to get sick.
Lets all stick up for newbies and for all decorators legal or not
Jason - just wondering, are you an attorney? You offer a lot of business/legal advice so I was just wondering what your credentials are. Thanks
How anyone can profess to know the legalities of every state, of every country is beyond me.
That's beyond me too, who has claimed to know the legalities of every state and every country?
Look in the mirror Jason, the answer will be staring right back at you.
I might add when you are corrected about your "knowledge" of laws beyond your state/country, the UK as an example, you ignore the correction.
You blathered on about this & that laws in the UK, until a baker from the UK posted the information you were giving, was incorrect. But, as usual, instead of addressing the poster, perhaps saying oh, my mistake, I was wrong, you ignored the poster and moved on to another poster in the thread as if nothing had been said.
How anyone can add a suggestion that it be manitory that every member of CC have their profession; professional, semi professional, non professional, upcoming shop, cottage food baker, newbie etc, in their profile
Another straw man argument. Just like all the other attributes in your profile, the "type of business" attribute would be entirely optional.
That is not how you worded your suggestion Jason and you are well aware of that. I might add, the fact your request was deleted, proves you've once again, overstepped your position on this website.
Really? This thread is still going?
Wow.
Yes, i came to the pc thinking - is it or isn't it....Alive and kicking - its great that so many can say so much without the thread going down hill at a rapid pace...love it.
Blue
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Another straw man argument. Just like all the other attributes in your profile, the "type of business" attribute would be entirely optional.
*ouch* Jason - that was bit of a sharp dig at the CCer concerned.
One great thing about the StrawMan - he always offered helpful advise 
and had a Heart.
Blue
Another grey and damp day here today - (loving it) - so we are off to drive to the Valley - to sip fine wine - around some open fire.
I shall tip my glass to you all for all the constructive imput.
Blue...............*hic*
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One of many unfortunately.
I find it UTTERLY amazing that Jason always seems to word his responses so that he seems to come out on top and looking towards the best interest of all the "newbies". We can all see through the smoke that your blowing out Jason, it has got to be very hard on you to feel like you have to police CC.. Seriously take a break for a while and raise your daughter... Stop being so uptight and trying to make yourself look good, the pretentious attitude you have on here is really old and if you seriously cant see from everything that you read on this thread that everyone is tired of it and you dont even have the decency to apologize even to the general public then I feel really sorry for you.
So, this thread was started to tell people not to pick on people. Now your dogpiling on Jason. Ironic. You've been more nasty to Jason in this one thread than he's ever been to a person asking a question. Why don't we all just agree to disagree and hug bunnies or rainbows?
Bluehue,
IMHO - This should be a place where folks cake go to talk about cake decorating. Contrary to popular belief, not every baker on this forum wants to own the big bakery on the corner. Because this is an open public forum, anyone can post anything about anything even if it is off topic or off-color. I have learned to just scroll down when I see any of the Baker's Dirty Dozen posters (I keep a list of them in my head) and I don't read them. They are the most frustrating, negative group of folks I have ever encountered - these are the ones who always have to correct and admonish everyone about everything. There is an awful lot of good advice and humor which is the only reason I look at the forums at all.
If (and only IF) I wanted to be anything other than a hobby baker, I would call my state/county health department and get an appropriate list of what was required because rules vary from state to state in the US. Those are the experts and are trained to guide me in the right direction. As for the legal aspects, yeah I guess if I wanted open a bakery some of the advice that I would find in the business forum would be helpful but I would go to the business forum to get it not the cake decorating forum. I came here to learn new techniques and advice about cake... just cake. And there are a lot of folks who are helpful and very free to share... God love 'em!
Jason - just wondering, are you an attorney? You offer a lot of business/legal advice so I was just wondering what your credentials are. Thanks
I was wondering the same thing, Jason, you give an awful lot of advice......
Blue thanks for starting this thread. I agree with what you stated. I lurk for the most part, but I have posted some questions and I have replied to some OP's. There was one OP that had gotten a little involved and I tried to make a little joke which involved JasonKraft. Just to keep things light. Unfortunately, he didn't find it funny and he PM'ed me and advised me to get off the thread. I didn't find that very friendly. I believe this is an open thread for everyone. No one should be worried about asking any type of question.
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