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post #391 of 681
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Originally Posted by smittyditty View Post

 

Hey Delicious- What do you do if you are already way over the cost of the local baker? I'm not suppose to undercut but at the previous prices she had posted I couldn't make any money matching her price. I then over charged from her price, but still want to get any business I can. How can I be still not charging enough when in my area i'm over charging. I could see not caring and charge what I like but i JUST started literally 2 weeks ago. Which is why I settled for a bit less than the matrix yet way over the local baker $$. However the matrix priced it at $4.25 a slice. Thinking either I used the matrix wrong or need a new Matrix..lol

 

I am in Charleston.  Starting prices range from $3.75-8.00 per serving in my town.  There are a few $1.50-2.50.  I honestly don't count those.  They are illegal and cake wreck worthy.

 

Just north of Charleston, the prices range $2.00-3.00.  That's all the market will bare in that area.

 

There are so many factors to consider when establishing your pricing.  Yes, you have to at least charge enough to cover costs including labor.  You still have to price yourself for your market.  Many people forget that element.  

 

I once met Brownen Weber.  When she revealed her starting price, I fell out of my seat.  I was shocked!!  This national celebrity charged less than the bakery for whom I worked.  That was her market.  

 

The whole point of this thread was to help educate those who don't do the homework, and to get a glimpse of just how different pricing can be in different areas.

 

To EVERYONE:  Do your homework!!!!!  Charge what you can.  Understand there are many differences.

www.VeryDeliciousDesserts.com

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Delicious-Desserts/207874222593145

 

It's never "just cake!"

 

You may get a cake for $way to little but you won't get this cake!

Animal
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www.VeryDeliciousDesserts.com

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Delicious-Desserts/207874222593145

 

It's never "just cake!"

 

You may get a cake for $way to little but you won't get this cake!

Animal
(4 photos)
 
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post #392 of 681
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Originally Posted by smittyditty View Post

Then you obviously have nothing to worry about...lol I'm in the country way in the country past fort worth.
I'm glad to know I looked professional..Haha..maybe I should have just worn jeans and a t-shirt with my hair down in the cake
Yes I take my business seriously.
1. I am not going to bother my local baker every time I have a cake that is 3d and run their phone lines up asking ?s about my cakes and leading them
on to think they are getting an order. Her pricing is online. She doesn't do 3D cakes. I went off her price of fondant compared to the matrix. She was SO low. So just because she didn't have any 3D cakes pictured doesn't mean her talent is limited to what I see online. Maybe she does and she just doesn't post pics because its not her favorite thing to do. She has other things priced but she obviously loves doing wedding cakes. So in that respect maybe I should have no fear and just price accordingly.
2. I got it free at the hardware store. I wasn't saying I wouldn't charge I'm just saying on this cake yes it was to my advantage and profit. Obviously the next cake it won't unless I refund the cost of the board. I have read in some posts of  decorators who do just that.
3. it was literally 4 screws I did my self.
4. I wasn't saying I wouldn't charge for it. I just wasn't going to throw $20 rental charge after the fact of the original quote because I knew the customer and knew I'd get it back. This is like her 4th cake. On a learning curve each time I have charged twice as much as before and I'm learning.
5. Now see this comment could be worded SO much more tackfully. However, yes if my math was perfect and I had already done this cake before I would know ahead of time that cooking the domes in my pyrex bowls didn't get the exact width I required. I however didn't know any of this until actually doing a cake in those bowls to see what it came out like.
6. Again correct. However, this was my first cake for my business being official. While I didn't charge the 20 and still get my item back. I got a great looking cake with a professional picture that I knew would be eye catching not only for my website but also for advertising purposes. Will I charge a little more next time yes I will. However the amount of business this cake versus a standard tiered cake got me will be way more than the $20 or so dollars extra I should have charged.
7. The cake stand is endless possibilities as I plan to do tattoo cakes as well.
8. That part I don't think so I didn't see anywhere on it to put that part. However it only cost me $2 with a coupon.

Yes they are torted--big lumps..
At $370 that is .20 lower than RBI I'm sure I'm not anywhere near his ballpark..lol
I emailed her and told her what I was going to do and how much it was so no time to calculate there. She picked up the cake. I had one trip to the hardware store where I already needed to go. Next time I can charge for that.

9. I made $14.25 an hour that subtracts fondant, icing, supplies, and doesn't calculate the fact that I got some of them back ie box, board, pipe.


For what it's worth I have close family in that area and your prices seem on point with what they've inquired about. If they can even get 3D cakes
post #393 of 681

I don't mean to step into anything.  Since I am priced not far from Smitty, I felt I might need to defend my pricing.

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Originally Posted by howsweet View Post

 

2) You can't not consider the cost of the wood because you got it for free.  Even when I have something on hand or get something free, I charge what it would have cost me to purchase.  It was mine.  Now I am using it and will no longer have it.  What would it cost me to replace it and be made whole?

3) If you had someone do the carpentry part of the cake, then you have to take into account what that would cost you, if say your brother or husband hadn't done it for free.  or of course the time it took you. You see this as a rental item so I suppose you'd cost it out like that.  Excellent point.  I always charge as if I had to purchase or make the item.  There is always a cost even it it's the wear on my relationship.

4) You don't not charge for rental because you know you can get it back. Car rental places know they're going to get the car back, don't they?

5) It was 30 servings. There's no reason to not charge for the other 5 just because you're not going to use calculus to determine the exact size and shape of the cake for the number of servings requested and then create the perfect pan. There is not an infinite number of pan size choices and that's not your fault. I believe she stated she did charge for the extra servings.  I certainly allowed for them in my price.

6) Regardless, when pricing a 3d cake number of servings is only part of the quote.  Nope.  I still came to the $175 and I consider myself a bit on the pricey side.

 

8) Did your pricing matrix take into account the dummy part of the piece?  I did.  I charged $50 for the structure & foam.

 

 

I don't know if you torted the top or if those are big lumps of cake, but I might quote it at $370 or thereabout for torted.  I don't mean this snarky:  Please share the breakdown of this price.  I'm honestly interested

 

Anyway, if we subtract your costs from $120 and divide by 6, what did you make per hour?  What if you were a business with all kinds of overhead most people never even think about and you're paying an employee to make this cake? I am a business with all kinds of overhead.

 

9)Does your 6 hours include time spent picking up supplies and talking to the customer?  Yes.  

www.VeryDeliciousDesserts.com

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Delicious-Desserts/207874222593145

 

It's never "just cake!"

 

You may get a cake for $way to little but you won't get this cake!

Animal
(4 photos)
 
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www.VeryDeliciousDesserts.com

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Delicious-Desserts/207874222593145

 

It's never "just cake!"

 

You may get a cake for $way to little but you won't get this cake!

Animal
(4 photos)
 
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post #394 of 681

yes I'm 45minutes outside of the city

post #395 of 681
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Originally Posted by DeliciousDesserts View Post

I'm about $175 for SmittyDitty's cake

Same here, about $160
Beginners, be sure to parrot advice and get your post count up as fast as you can. After all, it's not what you know, it's what people THINK you know.
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Beginners, be sure to parrot advice and get your post count up as fast as you can. After all, it's not what you know, it's what people THINK you know.
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post #396 of 681
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Originally Posted by BatterUpCake View Post

I think the $225 would be right. It doesn't matter what is eaten IMO. More work goes into the items that are not eaten....will you make me one for $150? lol

I think my post was misunderstood. I meant the foam was not eaten, not the cake. If the whole castle was made of cake then I'd charge quite a bit more.
post #397 of 681

Little Cakery, The one you were commenting on appeared to be the teapot, since that is the quote that was included in your post. I understood you were not talking about the cake portion but the real work is in decorating....so whether it is the castle or the teapot,  I would charge about the same for cake as I would styrofoam. For an 8" round it costs me $3 to bake...if buy the foam dummy it is about $6 and takes just as long to decorate. That's all I was saying...

post #398 of 681

"Originally Posted by smittyditty View Post

 

 

Hey Delicious- What do you do if you are already way over the cost of the local baker? I'm not suppose to undercut but at the previous prices she had posted I couldn't make any money matching her price. I then over charged from her price, but still want to get any business I can. How can I be still not charging enough when in my area i'm over charging. I could see not caring and charge what I like but i JUST started literally 2 weeks ago. Which is why I settled for a bit less than the matrix yet way over the local baker $$. However the matrix priced it at $4.25 a slice. Thinking either I used the matrix wrong or need a new Matrix..lol"

 

People say don't undercut...No one says you have to charge their low prices if your work is worth more. If people are willing to pay what you charge and keep returning, you are not overcharging. They are obviously satisfied with the value of product they are getting for their dollars. Any  product is worth what people are willing to pay for it.

post #399 of 681

Agreed BatterUp  I have one repeat customer because all the rest have been family or moved out of state? I just got my FB account up yesterday lol.

To those who emailed me and wanted instructions on the cake you can go to Scrumdiddlycakes blog to see what she was SO kind to share with me.

The whole point of Cake Central to help in a friendly way.

Here is her blog tutorial

http://sweeteatscakes.blogspot.com/2010/12/topsy-turvy-stand-tutorial.html

 

You like my cake check hers out and its ALL cake!

post #400 of 681
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Originally Posted by smittyditty View Post

Agreed BatterUp  I have one repeat customer because all the rest have been family or moved out of state? I just got my FB account up yesterday lol.

To those who emailed me and wanted instructions on the cake you can go to Scrumdiddlycakes blog to see what she was SO kind to share with me.

The whole point of Cake Central to help in a friendly way.

Here is her blog tutorial

http://sweeteatscakes.blogspot.com/2010/12/topsy-turvy-stand-tutorial.html

 

You like my cake check hers out and its ALL cake!

Wow....some nice work here!

post #401 of 681
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Originally Posted by BatterUpCake View Post

Little Cakery, The one you were commenting on appeared to be the teapot, since that is the quote that was included in your post. I understood you were not talking about the cake portion but the real work is in decorating....so whether it is the castle or the teapot,  I would charge about the same for cake as I would styrofoam. For an 8" round it costs me $3 to bake...if buy the foam dummy it is about $6 and takes just as long to decorate. That's all I was saying...

Oh, ok. I didn't think of it that way, I'm new and just starting out, still doing cakes for friends and family and I have had some clients sent my way from these people. I do appreciate you clarifing that for me. Thank you.
post #402 of 681

No problem...good luck and welcome to CC. I actually just started doing this in April but have learned so much here and come such a long way. Still tons to learn. Best of luck!

post #403 of 681

I'm glad I don't have to compete with such low prices. Well actually I do-  I quoted out three 3d cakes for a customer last week and she emailed me back and said, if I could do the three, 3d cakes for $250 she'd use me, but otherwise she was going with the lower price. I don't blame the customer. I have a feeling some of you would change your minds about pricing if you didn't have spouse bringing in an income. It's a whole different thing when you support yourself making cakes. Caking is headed towards a situation where people won't be able to make a living from it.

post #404 of 681
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Originally Posted by howsweet View Post

Caking is headed towards a situation where people won't be able to make a living from it.

I have to disagree with that statement. I understand where you are comming from with it, but I am a "self-subsidized" hobby baker. I am working on getting my business license so I can sell cakes and make a little extra money. Regardless, here is why I disagree with stent, you are a baker, that is u do fulltime to make a living. While I am almost done with my psychology degree and I work full time as well. You are able to take on a more difficult cake, more cakes per week, and your business sells itself. You are more likely to have repeat customers, work with venues and such. You have the time to do things I cannot, which is why I don't think caking will
post #405 of 681
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Originally Posted by howsweet View Post

Caking is headed towards a situation where people won't be able to make a living from it.



I have to disagree with that statement. I understand where you are comming from with it, but I am a "self-subsidized" hobby baker. I am working on getting my business license so I can sell cakes and make a little extra money. Regardless, here is why I disagree with stent, you are a baker, that is u do fulltime to make a living. While I am almost done with my psychology degree and I work full time as well. You are able to take on a more difficult cake, more cakes per week, and your business sells itself. You are more likely to have repeat customers, work with venues and such. You have the time to do things I cannot, which is why I don't think caking will become a business that you cannot make a living doing. For instance, we live in the same small town with one storefront bakery (you), wal-mart, and me (hobby-baker). A potential client comes to me thru word of mouth and asks for an extravagant cake, one I know I have the ability to make but I don't know if I have the time. So I say to the client, while I would love to do this for you, I'm not sure I can get it done in x amount of time and I want you to have the best cake possible so, here is howsweet's business card, she does amazing work and is a fulltime baker. I send client on their way and call you to give you a heads up.
That is exactly how I plan to run my business. I would also hope that if you were slammed and had an order come in that you couldn't do, you would send them to me. Also, I'd have an agreement with you that I would not under-cut you, and I'd hope to have a relationship with my local bakeries that I could call and ask what price was quoted so that I did not unknowingly charge less.
I think if bakers, full-time, part-time, hobby, could work together instead of against each other, the caking business would still be able to provide a living.
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