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Hi Pastryjen,

Isn't that funny that we live in the same town! icon_smile.gif

Thanks for letting me know!

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I'm in Markham (York Region) Our house is zoned commercial, so technically I could run a business, but apparently not if it involves food. I think. It's so confusing! There must be a way because just down the street the bakery does their baking in their home kitchen (above the shop) So there must be ways to get licensed. I guess it just depends on how badly you want it.
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post #33 of 86
I live in Barrie and I've been baking and selling cakes out of my home for 2 years now. I've been trying to look into business licences and permits but have had little luck finding any info as to the "food safety" requirements. I know of a couple other home bakeries in Barrie who are licenced and operate out of a separate, segregated kitchen in their home. I stick to advertising on FB and Kijiji and it has generated significant business for me. I would desperately like to start going to wedding shows in the area to generate further business but doing so without a licence would open up a whole new can of worms and I'm not sure I want to try going that route without being legit.

I know that I have been to wedding shows and met home bakers from Newmarket but never inquired as to their licencing status. I'm tempted to go visit the food inspection agency in Barrie but I worry that doing so may draw attention to my "business" being operated without a permit. Does anyone run a home bakery in Barrie? Could you tell me regulations, if so?

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post #35 of 86
I just became a licesnced business so here's what I know, there are kind of a few parts to it... I rent a space, but got all the info reguarding home biz too...

If I were to be baking out of my own home.. I'd need these things:
master biz lic A.K.A biz name registration,
food handler cert,
Vendor permit A.K.A PST A.K.A RST #,
biz registration A.K.A GST#,
(GST and PST to become harmonized, not sure how that will affect me yet)
Permitted Use Letter - from city zoning - (I got this before I knew I didn't need it!! A waste of $75 dollars and 10 day waiting period.. lol.. grrrrr....)
Health inspection and Dinesafe pass
Professional Biz Lic from City lic. bureau
Fire Safety inspection
A sign permit if that person wants to display a sign
and the kitchen (a totally separate kitchen from your everyday use one) must meet the minimum requirements set by the city - as in the special exhaust hood that I believe has to be professionally tested and checked twice a year, triple sink, safe storage, etc...
Insurance

I hope that helps... If you have more questions feel free to ask.. I might know the answer.. lol.. I might not!!

Good luck everyone!!
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post #37 of 86
Thought I would start up an old thread.....
How has everyone been doing in their quest for answers? Thank you muddpuppy for the great info.

I am just outside of Ottawa near Perth. (Beckwith township) and I called the Health Dept. I was told that as long as I wasn't busy, I could sell out of my home. (I told her I was doing 1-3 cakes a month). The HD couldn't inspect a private home. But, when I got busy, I had to have my own separate kitchen and supplies, etc. etc.....and meet building codes and such. She didn't exactly say what 'busy' meant.

Also, what about claiming your money that you make and taxes? If I am just selling cakes by word of mouth, is all of this "under the table"? Should I/we be claiming this as income without a proper license? Just curious!
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post #38 of 86
I am in the Barrie area and have also received mixed messages.

I can't seem to locate the site now but I am wishing I had printed the screen. In my original search for info I found a Government webpage that listed a bunch of different home based businesses for Canadians to start up one of which was Cake Decorating.

I ended up calling the Health Inspectors to get more info on what I needed. My first conversation, I was told at first I couldn't do it but I as questioned more he said I could as long as I didn't advertise myself as being licensed and he suggested I get some insurance to cover myself.

It was about a month later when I went to get a business license and wondered if that is what he meant by advertising myself as licensed so I called back. This time I spoke to a different person who said, I could operate as a home business as long as I wasn't operating as retail business. I clearly stated I would be selling the cakes not just giving them away. He said I just couldn't have customers coming into my home to buy pieces of cake, etc or I would need a separate washroom, hand washing station etc. I explained that because of living in the country most of my cakes would be delivered therefore customers wouldn't be coming to my location. I do have the odd person pick something up but they come to the door, I get the cake and take it to the car for them. So they aren't really coming in.

I also questioned advertising as I said I wanted to be able advertise and have a website, etc. His exact works where, "Do want you would like"

But I have talked to other people that received different info so I really don't know. I don't want to get into trouble but I want to go with what he told me. The problem is everything was verbal so I have nothing in writing if they do all the sudden come after me.

I plan on submitting info for income taxes so we will see and hope that doesn't alarm any bells icon_smile.gif
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post #39 of 86
I think they mean advertised as a licensed kitchen. Like a restaurant. I've called myself and understood no retail bakery in my home. Which I don't have. I declare my income so I'm good with the revenue boys. I don't have to charge HST because I don't sell more than $30K. If you hear differently I would love to know.
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post #40 of 86
I have a question about declaring income.....if you don't have a registered business, how do you declare where the income comes from? Are you considered self employed? I knew about the under 30k no HST, but I'm clueless on the other stuff. How do I go about declaring it?
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post #41 of 86
While we are on the subject of tax. I was under the impression that there is always no tax on a whole cake. If you go to a grocery store, there's no tax on whole cakes, but if you buy a slice of cake, then there is. There's no tax on food. I'm pretty sure I got this info from a government document online. Thoughts?
post #42 of 86
Yes, I declare it on my personal income tax. There is a spot for it and a place for deductions. I have our accountant do our personal taxes since we own an incorporated company for our other business. I can't see incorporating for the amount I'm doing right now. An accountant could better advise you.

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post #43 of 86
Ha, maybe! icon_smile.gif
I'm Just out past Carleton Place, near Franktown (on the way to Smiths Falls). I used to be in Ottawa on Fisher Ave.
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post #44 of 86
Goonergirl, a slice of cake is a luxury like a single muffin, a whole cake or 6(?) muffins are food. I think rentals of plateaus are taxable but I'm not sure. I don't do that. Here is one link that might be helpful. I had another one but the page has been moved and I can't find it.
http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100628/bc_wacky_hst_100628?hub=OttawaHome
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post #45 of 86
kello, I'm in Carleton Place.
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