Originally Posted by k8memphis
Originally Posted by MaisieBake
the snobby doyen dilettantes who fancy themselves ever so "cultured" and get all snooty
Uppity women! That's so lovely to hear from a man in a group of women.
If you want to talk about all this in terms of class issues--and that's where you're going, Doug--this discussion is going to become very uncomfortable very quicky.
But that's the point. It IS a class issue maybe not with the exact people Doug mentioned but it is a class issue. It's like a jr high school issue.
I think the majority of us would agree that it matters not at all in the grand scheme of things but it still is a definite factor influencing many many business' some who make millions of dollars a year. It's irrefutable.
It's the emperor's new clothes somehow--both scratch and mix.
And if we each one of us don't let the discussion go downhill it won't go downhill.
There's uppity men too.
ok....drop "doyen" and then that part applies equally to both sexes.
add references to ---- any stuffy butler and...
Hmmmm.....can't for the life of me, with the exception of Prof. Henry Higgins (Pygmalion, My Fair Lady --- love his mother's retort when he shows up unexpectedly: "Perfectly DREADFUL surprise!" -- even his own mother can't stand him) come up w/ male embodiments of "uppity" beyond the classic butler.
sad to say, but even in the mass media, the image of "uppity" is almost always portrayed/personified using a woman --- I wonder why.
as for class issue....
well dilettantes cut across all classes.
you can have NASCAR ones
you can dirt bike ones
you can have redneck ones
theatre ones (oh don't I know that one!)
snobbery is found in all classes.
it's more a simple --- I've got to find some way to feel superior to and dismissive of "you"
that knows no class
it is classless