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post #1 of 29
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I only use a form of royal icing that I mix with different ingredients than the normal recipe, which works fine but the colors are muted.

I love the vibrant colors that Toba's glaze makes but when I use it I get terrible spots that show up about 12-18 hrs after decorating them. I have tried everything that I can think of etc..white coloring so it's not transparent, etra mixing in case it's the sugar molecules, less coloring in case it's just too much color....and on and on... BUT I still get dots, I'm going to try to post a picture I did of a dolphin where it's really apparent but if it doesn't work my little purple witch has the same little dots, and this is in my photo's

Any help would be appreciated because I really love the taste and I don't think other people have this issue.
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post #2 of 29
The cookie looks great, even with the unfortunate spots. Have you tried making the glace and couple of days ahead to let it all melt together?
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post #3 of 29
I am sorry about the spots and don't have any advice, but I wanted to post and tell you I love the dolphin! The colors are so vibrant! Do you find that you get the best vibrancy from using Toba's glaze?
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post #4 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the quick responses and hopefully someone out there will know what causes it.

I do find Toba's glace (glaze) works the best for getting a true black, red or vibrant pinks,purple's and blues. But the spots turn me off from it because to me it looks spoiled or old.

I've tried letting it sit over night before using it and then I tried again at 36 hr's and 48 hr's old thinking it could be the sugar not fully broken down or air pockets, but nothing as of yet has worked.

Right now I use powdered sugar, water, corn syrup, merinque powder, vanilla extract and cream of tartar...kind of mixing all the recipe's together to get tasty and softer icing. I think the merinque takes away the color slightly but I'm using wilton's till it's gone and then I'm going to invest in americolor since I've heard good things about that. I have tried CK (country kitchen) super black, super red, and super brown but the taste was terrible, and I had to throw everything away.

I'm hoping I can get to the bottom of my spots because when I mix colors I do 20-25 colors at a time and it takes me 2- 3 1/2 hrs to get it all mixed up and then to throw them away is such a waste of time, money and patience icon_cry.gif

Thanks for the compliments though! I have tons of pictures now..I've tried to do one cookie of each cutter 300+ for my up and coming website but I haven't posted them here because of space and I don't want to bore anyone.

Happy Decorating,
Heather
post #5 of 29
First of all I would LOVE to see the rest of your cookie! I have just started making cookies with RI and I love the look of them but the taste of the RI is not the greatest. I have been looking at the Glace recipe and plan on using it next time.

About your spots do you use tap water? You could try bottled water instead. How do you dry them? Do you let them sit out in the open or do you cover them once they form a crust. Hope you figure it out!
post #6 of 29
Can I please get the recipe you have come up with? Also, where did you get all the cutters and I too would love to see all your cookies so please let us know when your website is up.
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post #7 of 29
I would ask Dawn-aka kneadacookie about all things regarding Toba's glace. She uses it all the time and is a master decorator-she would probably be able to help.
post #8 of 29
Here is a list of things to consider when you have white spots:
+ Add bright white coloring (5-6 drops for every cup of powdered sugar)
+ Adequate mixing before adding corn syrup is essential (be aware of âdead zonesâ in the bowls of some stand mixers)
+ Accelerate drying of glaze by placing it under a 300W heat lamp.
+ Use minimum thickness of glaze on cookie to facilitate drying. Spread with small paint brush, if possible.
+ âAgedâ glaze starts to crystallize. Use glaze/icing that is less than 3 days old.
+ Some dark food colors (red, black, etc.) create this problemâ¦switch brands.


Wyckedwytch,
In my opinion, there are at least 4 things causing your âwhite spotsâ:
1. The rate of drying (too slow promotes visible crystal structures)
2. The thickness if the glaze (related to #1 above)

To a lesser extentâ¦
3. The recipe you are using (more ingredients are not always better)
4. Not enough of the âwhiteâ (The titanium dioxide in the white is an effective opacifier)


You mentioned using powdered sugar, water, corn syrup, meringue powder, vanilla extract and cream of tartar.

I get very good results using the standard recipe (adjusted to add the âwhiteâ)

Ingredientsâ¦
1 pound powdered sugar (sifted)
6 Tablespoons whole milk [you can also use water]
6 Tablespoons clear corn syrup
20 drops white food coloring
Flavor extracts, oils, colors as desired

Good Luck!
post #9 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thank you peanut.
I really have tried all those steps so maybe it's the wilton color?

My glaze recipe is powdered sugar, milk and corn syrup...so easy which is why I wish it would not spot for me. The other recipe I posted was my RI recipe.
I have never put a light over my cookie to dry them for two reasons..I thought bright light could cause fading of color and the cost of my electrcity bill icon_eek.gif !

Now that its getting warmer where I live maybe it will speed up the drying, but they always were almost dry to the extremely carefull touch about 2-3 hrs in or at least enough for details. Hmmm

I'll try anything!
post #10 of 29
Do you get the âspotsâ on your plain white glaze? It is hard to tell from your picture. That might give you a clue on the effect of the Wilton color.

The cost of electricity to run a heat lamp is lower than you think. In the case of a 300W bulb, multiple 0.3 times the duration that the lamp is on times the cost of electricity in kilowatt-hours. (This does not include the cost to purchase the lamps and fixtures.)

Example: 0.3 kilowatts x 4 hours x 10 cents per kilowatt-hours == 12 cents

Regarding color fading concerns, the titanium dioxide in the âwhiteâ is an effective color shield for things exposed to ultraviolet light. There are heat lamps available that do not generate UV light. I have found that the heat from a heat lamp actually 'brightens' the color of the setting glaze.

Hope this helps.
post #11 of 29
ok, so are you using the meringue powder and cream of tartar in your glace icing?? and if you are...why?

you also said that you are letting your icing sit after making it then using it? so, when you let it sit, do you stir it up before using it? where are you storing the icing before using?

and lastly, where are you storing your cookies while they are drying to set? are they in a refridgerator, a closet, covered, not covered, a warm room, a dry room???
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post #12 of 29
I've only had trouble with the spotting when I don't add the brite white. It was especially bad if the cookies got cold. If refrigerated, the icing would get cloudy as well as spotted. But adding the brite white seems to keep that from happening, too. I also prefer to use skim milk, as I had some problems when I used water. I'll be interested to hear anything kneadacookie has to say on the icing, as she is a true artist and master with the stuff!
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post #13 of 29
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post #14 of 29
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Boy things got all messed up. The meringue powder and water was a recipe that someone asked for RI I do not use it in my glaze.

My white does not have spots but I add no wilton color to it just super white coloring from a large white bottle.

I leave my cookie in a dry uncovered room that is sheltered from animals and humans where I and only I go (I'm very over protective of my work since it's labor intensive).

I always leave the icing for at least 16 hrs to set so the colors get richer (red and black because I do not add alot) and for any extra air bubles to release. White goes straight into pastry bags or into special food safe one time use plastic containers that I bought at a specialty store (Never has anything ever used in them). I've tried with glaze putting it into bags right away and then kneading each one for a timed 10 minutes the following day and I've also tried storing the colors in these special containers and then stiring them up before adding them to bags. I use disposable clear wilton bags that are one time only.

It's possible it's just not in the cards for me to use glaze but I figured maybe if I posted what I did without my other recipe things wouldn't get so confusing.

Thanks
Heather
post #15 of 29
heather...don't give up yet. it sounds like you're doing everything right. does this happen everytime you make a different cookie? or is this the first time you've used it?
i have found recently, that 2 seperate things were causing my cookies to splotch.
1. the room i was keeping my cookies was dry, but it was also too cold.
2. when you let the icing sit, it starts to set up. so the icing you then put on your cookies, does not seem to be the exact consistency that you first made. if you've ever noticed that if it sits for a couple of days, the bowl or bottle get a hard layer on the bottom.
i really appreciate the nice compliments, but i am by far an expert! but, i guess if you play with the stuff enough, you pick up a few things here and there.
don't give up! make sure you add the white coloring to all your colors, keep the cookies in a warm dry room, and stir it up right before you fill in your cookies. try that and let us know if any of this helps!!
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