Oprah, Dr Oz And Crisco

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jespooky Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 1:53am
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Yah know..nowadays everything is either bad for you or is gonna kill yah so I say eat and be happy.




I completely agree!

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playingwithsugar Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 1:57am
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7yyrt wrote:

"I feel a lot of the problem with obesity in the US is because most people have sedentary jobs. That combined with the fact that we have great access to food, but NOT healthy food is a problem."

You do not know how right you are. Some friends of mine and I were having this very conversation several months ago, before they officially changed the food pyramid - again!

The conclusion we came to is that the old food pyramid was fashioned for people who still worked physical jobs, farmers, industrial workers, etc. They needed high fat, high carbohydrate diets to keep their body and brain energized through the course of their work day, which often lasted over 12 hours! There is still work to be done, as I believe there should be addendums to the food pyramid to accommodate laborous jobs.

The modern diet consists of lots of chemical additives instead of whole foods. Fortunately, through mass communication, the population is beginning to listen, and there is an exodus back to home cooking, instead of instants and microwaveables.

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moydear77 Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 2:01am
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7yyrt wrote:

The modern diet consists of lots of chemical additives instead of whole foods. Fortunately, through mass communication, the population is beginning to listen, and there is an exodus back to home cooking, instead of instants and microwaveables.

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That is so true.My husband was at work one day and one of the youger guys in his twenties was there also. My husband said that he needed to call me tell me he would be late for dinner. His co worker said to him "you mean she cooks dinner everynight?"

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ckkerber Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 3:08am
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So these are the things they say to avoid

High Fructose Corn Syrup
Hydrogenated Oil
Enriched Flour-Meaning they took all the good stuff out and put a little back in.
Sugar--Yeah right!!
Bleached Flour

So this is how I shop-I try to eliminate Trans fat, High Fructose Cornsyrup and hydrogenated oil.
Things that I have changed Peanut Butter, Bread, cooking oil is now Olive Oil and whole wheat Pasta.
The price is not too much depending on where you shop.
"you want to buy foods that contain less than four grams of saturated fat and less than four grams of sugar per serving.
Keep in mindpolyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats are good for you"




Thank you so much! Here is a stupid question . . . with the things that you listed above that should be avoided, would the label be phrased with exactly those terms or are there other buzz words to look out for? And things like sugar can't be completely avoided, so is there a point at which you need to look out for it (for example, if it's listed in the first five ingredients, then it's too much or something).

We try to buy healthier things a lot of the times but I really do need to make a big change in how I do things. For one thing, there was a post in the lounge that talked about meal planning and how you should make a weekly list of all the dinners you plan to make and all of the ingredients you'll need to buy. That way, one big trip to the store should have you covered and you're a lot less likely to turn to convenience foods at the last minute if you're prepared. You save on grocery bills, and you end up eating a lot healthier. I am trying to change my ways . . . rather than planning dinner at 4 p.m. I am trying to get a week ahead of myself. Cooking Light's website has access to a lot of healthier meals, most of which are really yummy.

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tammiemarie Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 3:37am
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I think the movie Supersize Me was a great wake-up call - even though he did it to himself - I am a fast food junkie and I truly have had weeks where I ate every meal out. With soda pop! I am very lucky that my weight isn't an issue, but I know how awful it is to treat my body that way. I recommend his book or movie just for a look into the fast food industry. Or Eric Schlosser's Fast Food Nation.
Another good place for food info is a site called the Accidental Hedonist.

Anyways, I just finished a cake made with all crisco and now I am feeling awful about doing it! I have to travel with it 5 hours tomorrow though, and I wanted to make sure it wouldn't spoil at room temp tonight and tomorrow. If I made a IMBC or a SMBC, would it need refrigeration? Because of the butter? At least I don't have to worry about bugs eating my cake, haha!

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moydear77 Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 4:02am
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ckkerber
partially hydrogenated oil

Try to keep The sugar to under 4 grams per serving.

Pretty much the names are straight forward from what I understand. Pretty much I find it in many foods we eat!

tammiemarie
I refriderate my SMBC. If you travek it is nice because it is chilled during tavel time.

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CoutureCake Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 4:21am
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LOL... Moydear.. you make me wonder if I ever drag DH out to eat some night if we'll run into you... Just PLEASE tell me you don't work at the Bierstube (that's where he dragged me on my birthday this year icon_mad.gificon_mad.gificon_mad.gif and we've yet to go somewhere for our anniversary yet)..

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Charb31 Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 4:24am
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It is a garbage planet! And I want someone to tell me the one and only good thing left to eat on earth.

CAKE!!! LOL ohhh and cookies, and pies. All within moderation of course! You are on this earth but once, live al ittle for heaven's sake! I am all for healthy eating, and trying always to do better, but for God's sake...LIVE!!!!!

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susanmm23 Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 4:57am
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another thing to think about is that serving sizes are out of control. i remember when i was a kid i would ride my bike to McDonald's and get me some french fries. a medium was a small/kids size now. there was no super size. heck there wasn't a 20 piece nugget either. since starting my new way of life in February i have not had a single soda not even a sip. i use to eat taco bell 4 or 5 times a week now i go months with out it. so yes moderation does have a lot to do with it. but some people were never taught was a serving size actually was. its always been eat until your full. then eat some more.

as far as what can you eat well how about fresh fruit and vegetables!!!! you can frozen vegetables with nothing added to them. they taste just like fresh. all my life i have hated green beans until i had a fresh one!!!!! talk about a wake up call.

there are dangers in everything this is true and yes we only live once. and while i do think we should enjoy our lives while we can i also believe that you can not truly enjoy your life if you are severely over weight and tired, sick or what ever else not eating healthy can do to you. i still enjoy the occasional cheesecake or fudge, but i find that i prefer fresh fruits now.


also about the super size me guy, he has a show called 30 days or something like that. and he goes and lives in different situations for 30 days. one time he and his wife who are very wealthy lived on minimum wage for 30 days. they started out with one paycheck each so it was like maybe 1500 they had to get a place to live and food and go look for jobs. he does these things to show how millions in our country live every day. so yes he did eat that food by himself no one made him. but no one makes us eat the food either but we do anyways.

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7yyrt Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 6:30am
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As we have gotten older my DH and I have cut our food consumption by over half. We still eat cake, bacon, steak, fresh-laid eggs, butter, cheese... all things that you aren't 'supposed' to eat.
We also eat oatmeal, freshly ground whole wheat flour, brewer's yeast shakes, cranberries, apples, apricots, blueberries, leafy green veggies, chicken, fish.
Use your farmers markets, Costco, Sams Club. Check out the 'frugal' sites on the net. Ask the old folks- the ones who went through the Depression, or were hippies in the 60s - we really DO know how to do it for less...
Above all ---DON"T feel guilty when you have the cake - just make your hubby take you dancing!

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AnythingSugar Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 6:52am
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Yes, I believe in eating healthy but not because of what any person says or does. I have a little common sense......well sometimes anyway LOL

I am probably older than most of you and I remember when coffee was rumored to cause cancer. My husband was in the hospital at the time and was having his normal morning coffee when the doctor came in. My husband asked the Dr. about the coffee issue. The Dr. told him that it would take massive amounts of anything to cause disease. He said that most studies were done and the amounts given to the test subjects was more than the normal human could even consume in a day. Hmmm this made me think and then I took a statistics class. Wow, statistics can be worked so that the results look exactly like the company or person wants it to look. Subjects can be added or omitted to get results altered.

Anyway, I read in a magazine just last week that (get this) Coffee is good for people if they drink in moderation. Strange huh?

I guess what I am saying is that I don't get alarmed over the latest food issues. Just my two cents.

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CarolAnn Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 6:56am
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Anyone who eats anything in excess is in danger of harming their health in one way or another. Some more than others depending on the foods you're talking about. I love good cake and yummy frostings/icings but I don't eat a LOT of either. I would think it'd take quite a bit of Crisco type products to cause any harm. Personally I'm not concerned about it. I'll keep doing what I do and let the customers decide about what they want to consume.

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katleg Posted 4 Nov 2006 , 3:50pm
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i do not believe that it is just okay to have everything in moderation..

bread companies lobby to keep it legal to use potassium bromate, which triples the size of an average loaf, and is also found in other commercially baked goods, is a known carcinogen. Bread is a staple of most peoples diets. I have found it in baked goods at walmart too.

Everyone should be informed of what they are putting in their bodies..I never knew this until recently, but it has made me think of the things that Dr. Oz is saying...

There has been alot of information about the chemicals, and preservatives, and other things we put in food and in our bodies that are not natural, and their association with bad health, and cancer.

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CoutureCake Posted 5 Nov 2006 , 7:06pm
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I think one other contributing factor when it comes to obesity. It's gotten so complicated to keep track of what you're suppose to eat, what you're not suppose to eat, how much you're suppose to eat, how often you're suppose to exercise to get any sort of benefit, etc. That the recommendations have been made too difficult for the common person to understand, even harder to achieve, and they say "the heck with it" and not bother.

It's great to have a food pyramid, but if 96% of the population outside of the people who created it can't figure it out, it's NOT the right recommendation. The same goes for the people who published the report that we all need 2-hours per day 7 days per week of focused, strenuous exercise in order to obtain any benefit to working out. At the same time, common wisdom with athletes is they do need time away from the exercise in order for their body to regenerate cells effectively to heal after injury.

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2xMiMi Posted 6 Nov 2006 , 3:01pm
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I think too much of anything isn't good for you.. We just have to be smart about it and not over indulge. icon_biggrin.gif

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berryblondeboys Posted 6 Nov 2006 , 4:42pm
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Our biggest problem is that we don't move around throughout the day. My MIL is a great example. She lived in Croatia her entire life until she was 62. Then she moved here. When I tell you she was SKINNY, I mean SKINNY. She was 5'9" and wore a size 5 pant. Her waist was like 18 inches - no kidding.

She ate whatever she wanted and she didn't "exercise" or so she thought. The reality was, she DID exercise, she just didn't regard it as exercising. When she came to the US she couldn't understand how everyone was so fat. Well, now she gets it!

I Croatia, she lived on the fourth floor. There wasn't an elevator, she had to walk them every day, several times a day. Second, she had to walk to the tram to get to work, then walk from the tram station to her work. We're talking only a couple blocks, but every step counts. Then, she bought all her meals/foods from the market and a small store - every day. So, when she would come home from work, she would walk a couple blocks to the market and get what she needed, then walk to the small grocery for dried goods and then walk home.

In the evenings, everyone went out to have a coffee and sweet, then they would stroll and walk, walk to the movies, etc. She lived right off a center square in Zagreb and everything was within walking distance, so she walked everywhere.

She came to the US and she had to drive to EVERYTHING - the store, the mall, the park, the movies. She lived on the 10th floor, so she needed to take an elevator. Well, now, she is 71 years old and this woman who her ENTIRE life - post menopause too (and she had a hysterectomy at age 45) was trying to GAIN weight now has a weight issue. She now wears a size 14, has high blood pressure, high cholesterol and eats like 1/3 what she used to eat. She tries to take off the weight, and it just keeps going up....

We just don't MOVE.... I know for myself that when I'm sedentary with my diet I gain or sustain. If I just walk 5 times a week (normal stroller pushing walking), I lose and tone... and... my body can handle my diet. I eat mostly really well with a sweet tooth, but my body can handle that sweet tooth when I'm active.

We, as a society, have got to stop trying to solve our weight issues with diet alone. Diet is the smallest of our problems. It's our lack of activity more than anything else.

Melissa

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2xMiMi Posted 6 Nov 2006 , 5:39pm
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Melissa,

That is so true - just doing simple task (walking the stairs instead of taking the elevator) can make a difference.

Linda

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Jenc95 Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 3:11am
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Do the SMBC and the IMBC crust?

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mrsright41401 Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 3:40am
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My problem is even bigger than just w/ the Crisco. In his book he also says to get rid of ALL sugar. White, brown and all other types.

I literally sat there reading this book in darn near tears because I so want to lose weight (I weigh over 200 lbs and I won't even tell you my waist size) and I really believe everything Dr. Oz is saying, but how do I follow my dream if I have to get rid of all sugar in the house?

Even if I only use it for cakes - I have to be able to taste what I'm making...

Rachel

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CoutureCake Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 7:58am
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Remember that even diabetics NEED some level of sugar in their diet in order to be healthy.

Focus more on the activity you do in the course of a day and that be your goal more than the pounds on the scale or the number on your jeans. Yes, I've also got the affliction of working out and not dropping anything, but, at least I now have 5-sessions with a personal trainer at the gym that should help the situation a little bit. I know getting back into the free-weights part of the gym does me a lot more good than hours on the treadmill ever will, but you can never discount the power of walking just 30 minutes EVERY day.. Back in the day when I had a GREAT MD who actually didn't lose her hearing in Med School, she said the activity is more important than anything else because so many of us have bodies that could not healthfully function at 120 pounds. Your body is going to be where it's at, focus on keeping it active and positive endurance.

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beany Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 8:51am
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This thread makes me want to diet. icon_sad.gif

I have never heard of the bug experiment before....I want to try it and see what happens!

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kaychristensen Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 9:15am
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Ok I stumbled on this topic. First off I am not a small person. 200 + I am somewhat active. I have foot problems (bunions). So walking HURTS. I think activity is important. My experiences have been crazy. I have always been on the bigger side. In high school I weighed around 150 at 5' 4" not skinny. I had problems at home and I was a comfort eater. Family genetics were also there. I have always struggled. After highschool I wanted to lose waeight so bad. I starved myself. I lived on instant mashed potatoes and a canned veggie, cereal. I lived in a basement apartment. I walked laps around my apartment 3 times a day. I lost alot of weight really fast. I started having pains in my stomach. I was told all kinds of things from doctors. Ulcers, heartburn BLAH BLAH BLAH. At that time 18 yr olds didn't have gallbladder problems. I lived with pain for 15 more yrs. Finally a golf ball size stone was removed from my gallbladder. I gained 50 lbs when I carried my son never lost it icon_cry.gif He is now almost 16. My DD is now 8 I gained about 30 lbs lost it all but she weighed 9lbs 9oz. My grandmas were on the large side. So hereditary is a problem. I have 2 very large cousins. The one my age weighs at least 400 lbs closer to 500lbs her sister who is yrs younger than me is at least 350. I struggle everyday. I cut fat where I can. Lowfat milk, and sourcream, and such. I decorate cakes but don't like the taste of full crisco recipe. I use the 1/2 and 1/2 recipe. I think it tastes better. My DH Grand-ma lived to 102 ate anything she wanted everyday. But was a farm women. She moved everyday. She said eat what you want life is to short. But I don't think she realized how much she did in one day. I move all the time. I am not thin but I do what I can everyday and modify the foods I cook. My DH is totally oppisite. Give me fat I am going to die anyway. I want to die HAPPY. But I cut things he doesn't even know about. So this is a hard topic. I didn't watch the Opera show but this is what I think.

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susanmm23 Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 12:52pm
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yes everyone needs sugar and what dr z is saying is not to put any extra sugar in your body only get your sugar from where it is natural. fruits and vegetables and meats all have natural sugars in them.

when making my cakes i never taste them. i dont like cake and i hate bc so it does me no good to taste it i wont like it anyways.

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mrsright41401 Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 1:21pm
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Yeah - I don't like cake either. LOL I'm a pie girl. Give me a pie any day and I'm happy. But I do taste my custom stuff - like the Cranberry Cream Cheese filling I came up with. However, like my husband said, if I have to taste it - it'll be a bite or two and not an entire cake. I'll be fine eating that much extra refined sugar once in a while.

Rachel

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susanmm23 Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 1:37pm
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yes i agree. i always have my dad try my stuff. only for the reason that he is super picky and if he likes it well its pretty good!!!! lol

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berryblondeboys Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 1:47pm
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We don't like American style cake in our house, so I make it and if I'm at the event, I'll try a piece to make sure it's OK (small piece), but that's it. HOWEVER, if it's a European style cake, I delve right in. We only make cakes for own consumption for our own birthdays and our anniversary, so 5 cakes a year won't kill us - especially when it's divided by five people! LOL

Melissa

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moydear77 Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 2:49pm
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Do the SMBC and the IMBC crust?




Nope!

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imartsy Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 3:37pm
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Wow what a topic!!! I wish I could go to an exercise trainer and a dietician! I'm on the skinnier side b/c I've watched my weight my entire life - but I haven't done it always in the best way. I was so scared of gaining the 'freshman fifteen' my first year in college that I tried to eat only 800 calories a day....umm..... not such a wonderful idea! Thankfully I got over that fast before I did a great deal of damage... meaning that I didn't become anorexic or bulemic and never had to be hospitalized or anything like that. but I still feel I don't eat enough sometimes..... I haven't kept count of what I eat but whenever I do those little "tests" or calculators online about how much you're supposed to eat.... I KNOW I don't eat that..... and then I think "man if I ate that much I'd be huge!!!". If I start eating a little cake when I'm making one I start to gain weight.... and I DO exercise.... although when I'm making a cake that usually means exercise goes out the window for that week... no time..... but I'm stuck at that hump too - can't really seem to lose weight or tone up that much so I'd love to see a dietician to find out what I'm REALLY supposed to be eating and get a trainer so I could actually see some results from exercising........

Anyway.. guess that doens't really help anyone else but I just thought I'd share that anyway icon_smile.gif Doesn't it seem like this is stuff they should teach in school? I mean spending a day on the food pyramid and taking some stupid gym class doesn't really cut it...... I know I never really learned about what and how you should eat or how you should exercise in gym class...... I also think they should teach finances and business in highschools but the education system doesn't seem to agree with me!

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itsacake Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 4:21pm
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OK. Don't shoot me, but how many of us are swearing off shortening and who knows what, but are perfectly happy to use artificial colors and flavors which are mostly derived from petroleum?

I didn't use artificial colors and flavors for over 20 years, but as a cake decorator for the last couple of years, I now use artificial colors in my icings, because the natural colors are not as effective. My son (when he comes home to visit) removes the icing before he eats the cake, because it affects him adversely.

ADD and ADHD are found in this ocuntry in epidemic levels and there is some evidence that without the artificial colors and flavors, this problem would be much, much less. (not gone, just less) Most people are not wiling to deal with eliminating these substances from their ir their children's diets, even when they can see for thenmselves that it works! (If anyone wants to know more about this, PM me)

BTW, almost every major cake mix has artificial colors and flavors, so if you are going all natural, be sure to read those labels too.

I'm with the everything in moderation group, but I think we all need to know our options before we make decisions. Nothing in life is quite so black and white, and if you never get to eat things you like, you probably won't live longer, it will just seem like it! icon_biggrin.gif

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ckkerber Posted 7 Nov 2006 , 4:46pm
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Wow what a topic!!! I wish I could go to an exercise trainer and a dietician! I'm on the skinnier side b/c I've watched my weight my entire life - but I haven't done it always in the best way. I was so scared of gaining the 'freshman fifteen' my first year in college that I tried to eat only 800 calories a day....umm..... not such a wonderful idea! Thankfully I got over that fast before I did a great deal of damage... meaning that I didn't become anorexic or bulemic and never had to be hospitalized or anything like that. but I still feel I don't eat enough sometimes..... I haven't kept count of what I eat but whenever I do those little "tests" or calculators online about how much you're supposed to eat.... I KNOW I don't eat that..... and then I think "man if I ate that much I'd be huge!!!". If I start eating a little cake when I'm making one I start to gain weight.... and I DO exercise.... although when I'm making a cake that usually means exercise goes out the window for that week... no time..... but I'm stuck at that hump too - can't really seem to lose weight or tone up that much so I'd love to see a dietician to find out what I'm REALLY supposed to be eating and get a trainer so I could actually see some results from exercising........

Anyway.. guess that doens't really help anyone else but I just thought I'd share that anyway icon_smile.gif Doesn't it seem like this is stuff they should teach in school? I mean spending a day on the food pyramid and taking some stupid gym class doesn't really cut it...... I know I never really learned about what and how you should eat or how you should exercise in gym class...... I also think they should teach finances and business in highschools but the education system doesn't seem to agree with me!




imartsy,
if a dietician / trainer aren't an option, you should probably at the very least talk it over with your physician. Like you said, you haven't gotten into any danger zones but you need to find a healthy balance with food because it isn't just about weight . . . it's about overall good health and if you don't have a healthy outlook toward food, you may be depriving yourself of basic nutrients that you need and overtime, you could end up with some serious health issues. I know a physician won't give you as much help as a dietician or trainer would but at least they can give you the basic framework and you can build on that yourself! There are just so many diseases that are linked to healthy eating habits . . . you need to be sure you're getting the basics!

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