this was a hard one! not because it was topsy turvy but because it was vegan the layers don't bake up high. each cake was four layers each and it still wasn't high enough. fortunately, we had topsy turvy dummies so we put each cake on top of the dummy to get the height. another good thing was that hubby stayed to cut the cake so no suprise when he hit the dummy lol (we also catered it! another story!)