Constructive Criticism Please

Decorating By SweetDreams98 Updated 8 Oct 2014 , 3:27pm by SweetDreams98

SweetDreams98 Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 5:39am
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AI have watched Edna's tutorial on gumpaste roses (which is phenomenal) probably 50 times lol. I am starting on large gumpaste roses right now and I like the overall look but I feel like they can be improved upon. It seems to me that the last row is a bit too large compared to the previous but that was the next sized cutter up. Should I be doing another row in between with 7 petals that are the same (smaller) size before going a size up? Any input is appreciated, I haven't done much in the way of gumpaste flowers just yet but it's a skill I would love to improve upon and excel at. TIA! [IMG]http://www.cakecentral.com/content/type/61/id/3291151/width/200/height/400[/IMG]

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MBalaska Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 6:29am
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I think it's lovely and the color is very pretty.  I'm just learning myself.  I was going to make a full rose today then realized that I had to make a center and let it dry overnight. There's So much for us to learn.

Keep up the good work and happy flower making to you!!

cheers,

mb

SweetDreams98 Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 6:39am
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AThanks MB! I'm doing ivory with a touch of blush pink luster dust and a little green around the bud. I love CC because there's so many great creative minds on here! They're time consuming but I love seeing gumpaste flowers vs real flowers!

julia1812 Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 6:45am
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AI like it! Am not sure what you wanna achieve. Am doing roses occasionally too. For me it helps to look at real roses after all the theory on YouTube, lol. If you want to achieve a very realistic look, decide on the stage of the rose first. Is it close, half open or completely open? They hardly open perfectly symmetrically as most people make them. Some panels might be more down / open on one side... Also color can make a big impact. You can choose a color to match a color scheme of a cake. If you look at roses, some have fainted edges or different colors towards the outside. Those ones are my favorites and as gum paste rose, it has more depth to it. And of course they should be rolled as thin as possible!

melmar02 Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 12:46pm
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AYour edges are nicely curled. I don't think the last row of petals is to big, but it does look like there is a gap between the last row and the previous one. Like the last row is too open if that makes sense? I make my roses with a lot more rows than the tutorials show though. To me, they look more realistic with more petals - I've never seen a real rose with only 3 or 4 rows of petals.

msdato Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 1:28pm
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AI would recommend purchasing L M Cake designs tutorial. I find her excellent [IMG]http://www.cakecentral.com/content/type/61/id/3291195/width/200/height/400[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.cakecentral.com/content/type/61/id/3291196/width/200/height/400[/IMG]

I would personally add a few more petals to your centre :)

cai0311 Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 3:52pm
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ACan you post a link to Edna's tutorial?

SweetDreams98 Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 5:23pm
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A[URL]


] there are 5 or 6 parts to the tut. Yeah I think I'm going to add another smaller row, I think that's what I'm obsessing over!

SweetDreams98 Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 5:23pm
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AThanks for the encouragement/advice!

MBalaska Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 7:20pm
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I would recommend purchasing L M Cake designs tutorial. I find her excellent

 

@msdato I found the L M Cake design webpage, but did not find any tutorials at all.  Your roses are very full and realistic, so it would have been interesting to see how you learned to make them.

 

 

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there are 5 or 6 parts to the tut. Yeah I think I'm going to add another smaller row, I think that's what I'm obsessing over!

 

@SweetDreams98 I watched part 6, the last one. Edna De la Cruz @tonedna is a beautiful woman that's for sure.  It's a nice tutorial making her outer petals with a round cutter is a surprise. But I can see what people are talking about, by looking at her tutorial.  more central petals, and her outer petals are closer to the center - a little tighter might be the correct way of saying it.

 

so much to learn, so many way to try.

SweetDreams98 Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 7:27pm
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AYep! I agree, I have a bunch more to play with, I have multiple orders to fill tonight but Saturday and Sunday night it's back to work! This was my first real attempt so I feel optimistic that they will only get better! I also feel like the picture exaggerates the gap between the last and second to last layer, in person it's not nearly as noticeable unless you're a crazy person or a fellow cake designer lol

msdato Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 8:45pm
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AHer tutorials are available on her Facebook page :) Im not sure if ava on mobile devices though :) https://m.facebook.com/LMCake?_rdr

Mimimakescakes Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 8:57pm
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I would have added an extra row of five or six petals slightly larger than the row of five , before the row of seven . If you think that your cutter is a little large use the next size down and just stretch them out a bit more so they are larger.  Other than that It is a lovely rose .  

 

Remember to let the rose dictate to you what it wants to do , I tend to put the petals on as the flower wants , I know it sounds strange. Don't be focussed on I must do a row of three and a row of five then a row of seven.  Sometimes you will need one less or one more petal or row.  Real roses are never exactly the same or follow rules. You will rarely find two the same even on the same bush. 

JWinslow Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 9:51pm
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I don't think your last row is too large but it looks like it needs another 2 more row as others have stated. I would add more petals to your center and rows 2,3,4 are sitting too high above the center.  Try and bring them more level with the tip of the center. You will find that some color highlighting will bring it to life :)

SweetDreams98 Posted 3 Oct 2014 , 11:48pm
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AThank you all! I'm excited to do more and make these suggested improvements! I like the look of the rose but I want to LOVE it! Thank you all for pushing me to be better :)

kazita Posted 4 Oct 2014 , 1:47am
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AWow msdato.your roses are absolutely beautiful!!

Sweet dreams yours is very pretty too...I agree needs more petals..

Happy Baking! ! :grin:

msdato Posted 4 Oct 2014 , 4:28am
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AI agree with letting the petals decided where they want to be put :D sounds silly but just relax while your doing it and it will show you where it wants to go :D

MBalaska Posted 4 Oct 2014 , 6:36am
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It doesn't sound silly at all. It sounds creative and imaginative. 

Perhaps that's the difference between an artist and a mechanic like me.  If you said 5 petals ...... I'd get 5 petals there even if I had to staple them in place.

Mimimakescakes Posted 4 Oct 2014 , 6:53am
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I agree with letting the petals decided where they want to be put icon_biggrin.gif sounds silly but just relax while your doing it and it will show you where it wants to go icon_biggrin.gif

I am glad I am not the only one that thinks like that.   I demonstrate at a Rose Show every year and I have gone around and looked extensively at the roses and no two are ever alike. They don't know the rules that is why I tell all of my students to let the flower tell you what it wants to be.   They look so much better and more natural if they are not all carbon copy the same.   I always cut one extra petal when I am working , sometimes I use it sometimes I don't sometimes I have two left over.  

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It doesn't sound silly at all. It sounds creative and imaginative. 

Perhaps that's the difference between an artist and a mechanic like me.  If you said 5 petals ...... I'd get 5 petals there even if I had to staple them in place.

I am a dreamer MB , a bit of a scatterbrain , one even might call me airy fairy. 

tonedna Posted 6 Oct 2014 , 4:39am
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The You tube tutorials are just posted there as a way for people to get started playing with gumpaste flowers. Those tutorials are pretty old, posted way before things got crazy with people posting tutorials everywhere. It's easy to start with a circle cutter since almost anybody has one. I have many free tutorials at  my website www.designmeacake.com 
I have a DVD that is 4 hours and has complete details on how to do roses in different ways and it includes dusting them, making leaves, thorns and using different cutters. 
Hope this helps. No matter what, learning roses takes practice and the more you do them the better you will get at it!

 

http://designmeacake.biz/Sugar-Roses-DVD-DVD-VOL4.htm


 

Good luck with it! ;)

Edna

SweetDreams98 Posted 6 Oct 2014 , 7:56am
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AEdna your roses are gorgeous and the YouTube tutorial helped me a ton (and was easy to follow!). I have 5 more roses in various stages and have played around with the number/size of petals and I'm getting some great results! The picture posted was literally my first attempt at gumpaste roses and each one is definitely getting progressively better, I'll post some pictures in a day or two as a follow up :). I will check out the DVD, that's definitely something I would be interested in! Thanks for the info!

SweetDreams98 Posted 7 Oct 2014 , 4:46am
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A[IMG]http://www.cakecentral.com/content/type/61/id/3292442/width/200/height/400[/IMG] Take 2! I still have some work to do on centers but I do like them better with more petals, thanks for the input, I'm going to keep working hard! Eta the next set I have I'm going to do a few more closed petals around the cone

TheNerdyBaker Posted 7 Oct 2014 , 7:06am
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Take 2! I still have some work to do on centers but I do like them better with more petals, thanks for the input, I'm going to keep working hard!
Eta the next set I have I'm going to do a few more closed petals around the cone

 

Very nice =D

 

I use Edna's method for my roses as well.  From what I can see in the picture above, I think you would benefit from a few things.  First, roll your gum paste thinner.  MUCH thinner.  Second, your centers seem a tad disproportional to my eyes, I would use a smaller cone for the size you made.  And lastly, thin the edges with a ball tool, it really does make all the difference.  I tend to skip putting my petals on a veiner, but the thinned edges are a must for me.

 

Now I am no expert, so take my suggestions with a grain of salt haha

 

This is my most recent rose for reference 

 

SweetDreams98 Posted 7 Oct 2014 , 7:15am
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AThanks, the pictures are kind of deceiving, the edges are thinned out with the ball roller, the gumpaste itself is transparent when it's rolled...for some reason I can never get a good photo :(. The centers are my main issue at the moment, that and my inability to take a decent photo with my iPhone lol

SweetDreams98 Posted 7 Oct 2014 , 7:18am
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AI should add that if I roll them any thinner it tears on me. I agree in pictures they definitely look thick

tonedna Posted 8 Oct 2014 , 12:04am
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Tips for those learning..
A pasta machine will help with the thickness of the fondant. It's a great tool to have, You can roll the gumpaste even to a 7(this # can change depending the pasta machine company. I use the KA attachment)

Use full gumpaste and good quality. In my website I have a recipe for Tylose gumpaste.
Fondant flowers are not the easiest way to learn. 

Use a good quality ball tool. This is the one I use
http://designmeacake.biz/Ball-Tools-ST1554.htm

If you are using plastic, that tends to have areas that will break your gumpaste as you are working with it.

Patience and practice...when you think you already got it..keep trying, the more you do it the better it gets.

Sugar hugs
Edna :)

SweetDreams98 Posted 8 Oct 2014 , 2:36am
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AThanks Edna, I do think that I will be getting a pasta sheeter. I use Satin Ice gumpaste and I don't use a plastic ball tool, I'm definitely putting some hours in trying to get it down...I truly appreciate all the tips!

dlyoung Posted 8 Oct 2014 , 3:17am
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When I first wanted to learn how to make gumpaste flowers, I purchased Edna's DVD's and loved them (except somehow the peony DVD disappeared from its case--darn grandkids!).  I bought a portable DVD player and set it up on the table and went step by step when making my first flowers.  I make her gumpaste recipe and purchased the ball tools from her, plus many other supplies.  She recommended a KA pasta machine and I've never been sorry that I bought it.  I use it all the time.  If you have any questions, just email her and she gets right back to you.  

MBalaska Posted 8 Oct 2014 , 3:21am
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Your second flowers have nicer petals on the outside and more of them close together it's really nice progress. :grin:

tonedna Posted 8 Oct 2014 , 4:58am
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I am glad it helped!  <3

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