-K8memphis Posted 27 Oct 2013 , 3:25pm
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have you ever tried this new (new to me anyhow) 'sugar' in your coffee or in your baking?

 

http://www.intheraw.com/products/monk-fruit-in-the-raw?gclid=COqr3a2nt7oCFQto7Aod-iwA-w

 

i've finally accustomed myself to truvia for baking and from that i was able to transition to stevia for coffee--but i'm gonna try this too.

 

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 Made from delicious vine-ripened monk fruit, also called luo han guo...

 

your thoughts?

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liz at sugar Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 2:12am
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I haven't tried it, but if it is zero calorie, I have a feeling I won't like it.  :(

 

The only thing I like with artificial sugar in it is fountain Diet Coke.  I think it has a combination of aspartame and saccharin that I am sadly addicted to.

 

Have you had to change your recipes to use Truvia?  Does it react different chemically in baking than cane sugar?

 

The biggest trend here is agave nectar, which is essentially corn syrup from cactus instead of corn.  But that isn't calorie free - just a health trend.

 

Liz

jason_kraft Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 3:20am
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ALuo han guo tends to have off flavors that don't work well if you need a neutral flavor profile. P&G has a patent on a method for removing these off flavors, so you'll want to look for either a P&G product or a company that has licensed this patent, such as: http://www.biovittoria.com/fruit-sweetness

kikiandkyle Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 4:39am
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I've seen Nectresse in stores but I try to avoid 'artificial' products where possible. Except when it comes to diet coke, they could make that with arsenic and I'd still drink it. (Incidentally, when I was in Sweden they use something else to sweeten the diet coke, I can't remember what).

liz at sugar Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 12:19pm
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I've seen Nectresse in stores but I try to avoid 'artificial' products where possible. Except when it comes to diet coke, they could make that with arsenic and I'd still drink it. (Incidentally, when I was in Sweden they use something else to sweeten the diet coke, I can't remember what)

 

Same here Kiki!  Damn that Diet Coke!  Until we got a Sonic, I used to get mine at McDonalds, where they use a higher concentration of syrup in their fountain mix so it still tastes good as the ice dilutes it.  I like Sonic now, and am not sure if they do the same thing.

 

Liz

kikiandkyle Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 12:44pm
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AGot to love fountain diet coke, it's always my first choice.

tazmycat Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 12:53pm
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I use Monk's fruit sweetner in beverages, oatmeal, etc.  Like it.

ropalma Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 1:15pm
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AI also have used the monk fruit sweetner in my drinks and foods. I like it.

SecretAgentCakeBaker Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 1:39pm
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Got to love fountain diet coke, it's always my first choice.

Yes! The stuff in cans and bottles is just not the same. My husband thinks I am crazy. Diet soda gives me a sore throat though, especially if I get it at Tim Hortons, so I hardly ever drink it anymore.

-K8memphis Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 6:42pm

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I haven't tried it, but if it is zero calorie, I have a feeling I won't like it.  :(

 

The only thing I like with artificial sugar in it is fountain Diet Coke.  I think it has a combination of aspartame and saccharin that I am sadly addicted to.

 

Have you had to change your recipes to use Truvia?  Does it react different chemically in baking than cane sugar?

 

The biggest trend here is agave nectar, which is essentially corn syrup from cactus instead of corn.  But that isn't calorie free - just a health trend.

 

Liz

 

 

i haven't used the monk fruit in the raw yet--i'm going to do some testing this week though--i'll definitely report back--

 

no the truvia recipes do not come out like sugar ones- it's a different world of baking for sure--

 

while i like agave it's still the wrong kind of sweetener for me personally---- they say it's kinder & gentler to your glycemic index than sugar & honey --

 

but i mean truvia and stevia are definitely acquired tastes----you really gotta want to do this -- i can't/don't go back & forth between sugar and the '-vias' for sure--however the truvia helped me bridge onto the stevia--

 

me some diet coke! <high five>

CakeChemistry Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 6:53pm

AMonk fruit. I can only think of a banana dressed in a habit sporting a bald spot and sandals.

-K8memphis Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 6:55pm

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Originally Posted by jason_kraft 

Luo han guo tends to have off flavors that don't work well if you need a neutral flavor profile. P&G has a patent on a method for removing these off flavors, so you'll want to look for either a P&G product or a company that has licensed this patent, such as: http://www.biovittoria.com/fruit-sweetness

 

thank you , jason! i was hoping you would impart some of your wisdom on this subject--the stuff i bought has dextrose for the first ingredient then the monk fruit extract so it's not all or even mostly  luo han guo--maybe it will be more palatable?--hey if i can eat stevia i should be able to choke this down--this is made not by p&g but by cumberland packing corp--that sounds odd that it is a product of a packing corp huh--

 

thanks again

-K8memphis Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 7:10pm

liz, kikiandkyle and secretagentbakes-- yes i me some diet coke--

 

let me chat with you a minute-first the back story--i got deathly sick once from pink ice--so now i am an honorary 'ice chute spotter'--if you check the ice chutes where you can self serve your fountain drinks--you will often find black mold--just saying--there's neglect there--alll it needs is to be properly soaked overnight like they should be soaking the fountain drink spouts--then in particular the diet coke spouts go bad first--so just saying--watch out for that--i go with cans & bottles for that reason--

 

sorry to rain on your addictions but just wanted y'all to be aware--don't hate me 'cause i'm an ice chute spotter ;) it's simply self defense--

 

and even when you follow up on your ice chutes--where you got a manager and freaking TOLD them -- and it's still icky the next week--wow--

 

so on the ones you cant' check-- the ones that are not self-serve...you never know....wonder what tim horton's ice chute looks like...but let me hasten to add that one of the most common side effects of aspartame is sore throat too...so...

-K8memphis Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 7:13pm

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Monk fruit. I can only think of a banana dressed in a habit sporting a bald spot and sandals

 

 

ahhhhhhmennn   :lol:  too funny

-K8memphis Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 7:35pm

then i found this crazy stuff-- 'coconut sugar' -- who knew?

 

y'know what's really funny though--previously as in 10-20 years ago--coconut oil that they used especially to pop (the most fragrant and delicious) popcorn 'they' said was going to doom the health of the inhabitants of the plane,t stunt our children's growth and wipe out mankind (perhaps i exaggerated a bit--but they were very serious about it)  --coconut oil--now it's the great savior of the same previously doomed planet--not to mention coconut flour and milk and cream and coconut--

 

jason_kraft Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 8:27pm

ACoconut sugar is an interesting product but unfortunately it is not sustainable...coconut palms cannot produce coconut sugar and coconuts at the same time, and if you switch back and forth yields are much lower. Once these long-term effects are realized it is likely that the supply of coconut sugar will dry up and prices will skyrocket.

More info: http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/coconut_palm_sugar.htm

jgifford Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 8:36pm

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liz, kikiandkyle and secretagentbakes-- yes i me some diet coke--

 

let me chat with you a minute-first the back story--i got deathly sick once from pink ice--so now i am an honorary 'ice chute spotter'--if you check the ice chutes where you can self serve your fountain drinks--you will often find black mold--just saying--there's neglect there--alll it needs is to be properly soaked overnight like they should be soaking the fountain drink spouts--then in particular the diet coke spouts go bad first--so just saying--watch out for that--i go with cans & bottles for that reason--

 

sorry to rain on your addictions but just wanted y'all to be aware--don't hate me 'cause i'm an ice chute spotter ;) it's simply self defense--

 

and even when you follow up on your ice chutes--where you got a manager and freaking TOLD them -- and it's still icky the next week--wow--

 

so on the ones you cant' check-- the ones that are not self-serve...you never know....wonder what tim horton's ice chute looks like...but let me hasten to add that one of the most common side effects of aspartame is sore throat too...so...

 

It may not be the ice. My dh and I both used to work for one of the beverage companies.  He was the lucky one who got to keep the equipment in the area working properly - as a result, neither of us will ever touch a fountain drink again.  He used to bring things home to show to me - GAG!! The only places where the valves were cleaned as they should be were the hospital and the Air Force Base, and how likely are we to be getting a fountain drink there?

 

My advice?  Take a napkin, fold it to a point and run it around the valve where the soda comes out before you get a drink.  If it's black (or green and furry), DO NOT use it - go get a can or a bottle.  And keep in mind that from the moment diet soda is produced and the BIB (Bag In a Box) is filled, there's only a 90-day shelf life.  There are a lot of restaurants out there that pay no attention to the dates and will use one until it's gone.

IAmPamCakes Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 8:38pm

AI use coconut sugar in a couple recipes at work. Not much. It kind of smells funny, but then again, a LOT of what I work with smells funny. Ugh! Garbanzo and white bean flour?! Forget about it.

liz at sugar Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 8:48pm

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then i found this crazy stuff-- 'coconut sugar' -- who knew?

 

y'know what's really funny though--previously as in 10-20 years ago--coconut oil that they used especially to pop (the most fragrant and delicious) popcorn 'they' said was going to doom the health of the inhabitants of the plane,t stunt our children's growth and wipe out mankind (perhaps i exaggerated a bit--but they were very serious about it)  --coconut oil--now it's the great savior of the same previously doomed planet--not to mention coconut flour and milk and cream and coconut--

 

Yes!!  My brother has been popping his popcorn in coconut oil recently because it is "healthier" than all the GMO veg oils out there . . . same thing I thought . . . isn't coconut oil what movie theaters popped their popcorn with that caused all the health nuts great outrage just a few short years ago???  I guess if you aren't old enough, you don't see all these fads cycle in and out.

 

Liz

jason_kraft Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 9:20pm

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Yes!!  My brother has been popping his popcorn in coconut oil recently because it is "healthier" than all the GMO veg oils out there . . . same thing I thought . . . isn't coconut oil what movie theaters popped their popcorn with that caused all the health nuts great outrage just a few short years ago???  I guess if you aren't old enough, you don't see all these fads cycle in and out.

The studies that showed coconut oil was unhealthy focused on hydrogenated coconut oil products, you want to look for coconut oil without trans fats. Non-hydrogenated coconut oil is not really healthier than other types of oil but in moderation it should be fine.

-K8memphis Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 9:22pm
jgifford-- good call there on the napkin up the spout--but  my particular issue was from raunchy ice--i had put it in a cup of coffee at the end of a loong shift and it was a long time ago too--so no fountain drinks were involved in that fiasco--but yeah--the' ice chute spotting' if it's moldy--that is a big clue that you'll likely find the drink spouts to be nasty--and it is clearly visible on the ice chute so...yeah a napkin corner in the spigot is a great idea- i mean sometimes they don't even respond to the nasty ice chute thing.
 
jason, i haven't tried the coconut sugar yet--too bad it's a little doomed from the get go-- and yes i thought they probably changed the coconut oil up a bit nowadays but previously 'they' made it sound like we were all gonna pop burn in hades y'know? ;)
 
iampamcakes--do you make those flours or buy them?
 
liz--ain't it crazy? one day it's the curse the next day it's the blessing--i could literally float on the smell alone of coconut oil popped popcorn--omg!
IAmPamCakes Posted 28 Oct 2013 , 10:16pm

AK8 - we buy them. The only ingredients we make are vegan butter and rice milk. Everything else is ordered.

kikiandkyle Posted 29 Oct 2013 , 12:59am

AI'm pretty particular about where I get my fountain soda from. I worked at McDonalds once upon a time and I know the kinds of procedures they're required to follow so I generally trust a McDs fountain. It's the only place I'll get soft-serve ice cream too.

My soda preference list is really sad - it goes fountain, large bottle, glass bottle, can, small bottle.

My Heineken preference list is tap, green bottle, can, brown bottle. Yep.

liz at sugar Posted 29 Oct 2013 , 1:34am

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I'm pretty particular about where I get my fountain soda from. I worked at McDonalds once upon a time and I know the kinds of procedures they're required to follow so I generally trust a McDs fountain. It's the only place I'll get soft-serve ice cream too.

My soda preference list is really sad - it goes fountain, large bottle, glass bottle, can, small bottle.

My Heineken preference list is tap, green bottle, can, brown bottle. Yep.


That is funny, Kiki!  I have the same kind of list, along with sizes, for correct ice to soda ratio, taking seasonal weather in account (how fast will the ice melt, etc.).  I really don't have OCD, but it sounds like I may have issues . . .

 

Liz

SecretAgentCakeBaker Posted 29 Oct 2013 , 1:36am

AYep! And sandwich ingredients need to be stacked in the correct order. :)

kikiandkyle Posted 29 Oct 2013 , 1:39am

AWait - do you line up the lady on your Starbucks drink sleeve with the lady on the cup? Do you then center the hole on the lid with the lady?

liz at sugar Posted 29 Oct 2013 , 2:14am

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Wait - do you line up the lady on your Starbucks drink sleeve with the lady on the cup? Do you then center the hole on the lid with the lady?

 

No, but it sounds like a good idea. :)

 

Liz

kikiandkyle Posted 29 Oct 2013 , 2:16am

AI just can't deal with it looking all out of order.

I know it's silly.

-K8memphis Posted 30 Oct 2013 , 8:05pm

reporting back regarding 'coconut sugar' and bear in mind the ingredients listed on the bag are dextrose and coconut sugar--so obviously it's mostly dextrose--they probably wave a coconut over a big vat of dextrose--who knows?

 

i made cheesecake minis with it--they taste awesome--they come out a little tan in color--not as white as cheesecake is usually but for me it's no problem and zero calories. win/win

liz at sugar Posted 30 Oct 2013 , 8:07pm

The dextrose doesn't have any calories?

 

Liz

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