sixinarow Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:04pm
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wow not a high opinion of peeps who do dummy cakes-- lots of high end cakers do dummies for big money customers and fill in with servings in undecorated cake and i've seen it advertised this way too--of course it's another nail in the coffin to me--especially because it is becoming more acceptable--i've also heard that it has longtime been common in japan in extravagantly decorated cake dummies especially at the very high dollar weddings-

 

and i believe there's tons of clients wanting to save a buck this way--sure there's the ones who want CUSTOM cakes but it's a newer option as a business and it surely does draw from the whole cake spectrum--where else would it come from--top to bottom

 

yes there'll always be a market for boutique cake shops but with the influx of more & more cottage laws business is not getting any easier -- so you might not see it but the dummy thing is going to impact imo--in fact you might even want to embrace it--if you are trying to make money--if you are able to be artsy and this is a side line because you are supported elsewhere then you can make other choices--

 

and as far as a tipping point this market does not have much more to go to get there--

Whoa, back it up and put the knife down! Geez K8 LOL! The dummy cake concept was mentioned as a way for clients to SAVE money on wedding cakes. If you are hiring a high end designer, you are NOT saving money having them decorate a dummy cake, most of the expense is in the decorating. I embrace dummies, it allows a creative outlet to try new techniques or build a unique portfolio or have stylized magazine shoots. These are 2 separate things you are talking about. Dummies to "save" on the cost of wedding cake prices are not going to be highly stylized and custom deisgned dummies are going to be as (or almost) as expensive as a real cake -- totally different things. If I have a client who wants a dummy cake all stylized -- AWESOME -- I'd do it in a heartbeat and offer kitchen cakes for the servings. But saying it's "another nail in the coffin of custom cake business" is a little far-fetched. The client who wants rock bottom prices, is not my client and I don't think it's having a "low" opinion of chain stores who use dummies. I shop at discount stores and I know there's a limit to what they can offer.  I don't have to agree with your thinking or you with mine. It gets a little old having you jump down everyones throat who isn't as "nice" as you think they should be only to have you bite anyone else who doesn't agree with your opinion. Little bit of a double standard there, and just because YOU read more into what I said doesn't mean I meant it that way.

kmanning Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:14pm

AMy brother and his wife had a 7 tier wedding cake, 5 tiers were styrofoam and the bottom 2 were cake. They only were charged 150 for the cake! Really cheap! All hand piped buttercream cake, I didn't eat any but people said that it was a little dry. The cake really was well done. I was just shocked that I paid more for my daughters 8"-6" birthday cake than they did for a wedding cake.

Godot Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:16pm

AI like Chik-Fil-A. Or however it's spelled. I used to like it anyway - I haven't had it in more than 20 years but they had an awesome breakfast biscuit. I always used to have that when I worked at Regency Square mall.

kikiandkyle Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:22pm

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My brother and his wife had a 7 tier wedding cake, 5 tiers were styrofoam and the bottom 2 were cake. They only were charged 150 for the cake! Really cheap! All hand piped buttercream cake, I didn't eat any but people said that it was a little dry. The cake really was well done. I was just shocked that I paid more for my daughters 8"-6" birthday cake than they did for a wedding cake.

And the baker that made their cake probably paid themselves $1 an hour to make it. You paid more because that baker probably went broke and wised up to the fact that they were giving away cake. It's not what's underneath the buttercream that costs the most.

-K8memphis Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:29pm
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 It gets a little old having you jump down everyones throat who isn't as "nice" as you think they should be only to have you bite anyone else who doesn't agree with your opinion. Little bit of a double standard there.

 

 

yes sorry --

 

not sure what you're reading into my posts--and also i don't fit onto anyone's pedestal -- i don't recognize me in your opinion there--

 

so again sorry for the confusion

kmanning Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:31pm

AI used a different baker, my SIL was like "I can't believe that you would pay that much for a cake". Of course I bit my tounge because I know what goes into it and this was before I started to decorate. The woman who made her cake took a loss, she even drove 45 miles to deliver and set up. So when I start baking from home in a few months (CFL) I will be passed up every time because of my prices.

costumeczar Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:33pm

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Originally Posted by Godot 

I like Chik-Fil-A. Or however it's spelled. I used to like it anyway - I haven't had it in more than 20 years but they had an awesome breakfast biscuit. I always used to have that when I worked at Regency Square mall.

It gives me "intestinal upset" so I never go there anyway, but their owners aren't aligned with my political beliefs, shall we say, so I won't give them my money. They're controversial now!

costumeczar Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:36pm

Still waiting for a website link or something...

 

I've done cakes with dummy tiers and I charge pretty much the same for them, just a little less. The decorating time is what drives my costs. 

 

There have been multiple waves of people trying to do dummy rentals and it doesn't catch on. If it works for you that's great but I don't see it cutting into much established custom cake businesses. Unlicensed and cottage bakers are much more likely to do that on any noticeable scale.

sixinarow Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:41pm

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Originally Posted by costumeczar 
 

Still waiting for a website link or something...

 

I've done cakes with dummy tiers and I charge pretty much the same for them, just a little less. The decorating time is what drives my costs. 

 

There have been multiple waves of people trying to do dummy rentals and it doesn't catch on. If it works for you that's great but I don't see it cutting into much established custom cake businesses. Unlicensed and cottage bakers are much more likely to do that on any noticeable scale.

Kind of doubting we'll get a website to these awesome, elaborate yet very inexpensive dummy cakes. It's like bigfoot -- just enough few and far-between "sightings" to keep the myth alive. :detective:

Dayti Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 5:01pm

There was a member on here who had a rent-a-cake business, I think she was in Canada. I'll try and remember. I recall her cakes were pretty nice, and customizable to an extent.

-K8memphis Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 5:05pm

extravaganza i think was her business name--something like that--

 

i never got to launch mine--it would of course have been awesome--i'm actually closing it now--you still have to pay tax even if you only part way open and never do any business--♥ me some tennessee

JWinslow Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 5:38pm

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Originally Posted by MBalaska 
 

:lol:  Norasmom, funny!

 

Nikko5: Well there's fake tans, fake boobs, fake nails, fake hair, fake smiles, rented tuxes and shoes, fake flowers, fake butter buttercream, so what the heck there's enough fake people to buy your fake cakes. Go ahead and post your business address and your website address, if you're real that is. Let's take a look at your great deals.

;-D  And once again we have someone who joined CC, posts and never shows up.  Let's all go get Chick-Fil-A :lol:

Godot Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 5:46pm

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It gives me "intestinal upset" so I never go there anyway, but their owners aren't aligned with my political beliefs, shall we say, so I won't give them my money. They're controversial now!

well, it's been 20 years so I guess I missed something!

howsweet Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 5:59pm

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I just started my fake cake business a couple of months ago in the southern part of New Jersey and I have to say people are blown away by how smart this idea is for those who want the fondant look but don't want it on the cake their guests are eating and those brides who are on a tight budget. I even get the brides to rent from me  even though their  buttercream wedding cake is included in their package. Why? because the hall will only give them the amount of tiers needed to feed their guests  as with me I'll give them as many as they want for a flat rate. I often rent out the same cake and offer the bride assistance to accessorize it with decorations that can be taken on & off the cake - however if they want to design a cake that has permanent piping work then this rental fee would be more than the one that could be easily modified. But  it would still be less than the hall would charge them for an upgrade on the style of their cake which again I 'm certain a bride would rather spend on a cake with more tiers than what the hall will give in their package or in an upgrade. I have one venue who decided to put my rentals in their package and how charges an up grade if they want the entire cake all real - He decided to do this because using my rental is more time efficient than having the staff hack away at those fondant tiers or dismantling a 4 +tier cake with wooden dowels etc. The place could ensure a much fresher tasting cake anyway! The rentals could be dropped off ahead of time when the weather is challenging with snowy streets and it's a lot easier to make room for sheet cakes is what he told me is the best asset to making me one of his vendors. I'm so excited to bring this concept to all the halls in my area - I'm also becoming a big hit with those Sweet 16 girls who want wedding cake styles for their cake as opposed to the sheet cake that comes with their banquet pkg. The parents are thrilled about this concept because renting my cakes gives them an affordable display or centerpiece they would never be able to afford real. It's my goal to mainstream this concept for all birthdays  not just milestone banquet hall events.  The b-day cake is the next most important thing at a party so why not rent a cake prop that goes with the theme of the party and just have a sheet cake waiting in the kitchen until the candles are blown out and it's time for cake! Why buy an ordinary cake or spend $$$$$ on a fancy cake when you could save by renting an amazing looking cake because at the end of the day the cake looks just like the real thing and you're still eating cake regardless of where it came from.

I'm wondering how many times you can use one of these? How do they hold up? I guess you charge for any actual damage? Do you come the next day and pick up the cake? For me, a one way delivery might be $45, so I'm thinking just getting the cake there and back could run $90. I've always been fascinated by this concept. Kudos to you for making this happen.

howsweet Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 6:05pm

AWhoa, I'm on my phone and missed a few posts... Why all the negatively towards Nikko5? What am I not getting?

kikiandkyle Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 6:16pm

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I used a different baker, my SIL was like "I can't believe that you would pay that much for a cake". Of course I bit my tounge because I know what goes into it and this was before I started to decorate. The woman who made her cake took a loss, she even drove 45 miles to deliver and set up. So when I start baking from home in a few months (CFL) I will be passed up every time because of my prices.

Sure you'll be passed up by the cheap clients that aren't going to pay you enough to make it worth your while, leaving you free to take the one or two orders a week that will make you as much or more than six cheap orders would have.

There's no money in taking a loss.

kmanning Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 6:28pm

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Sure you'll be passed up by the cheap clients that aren't going to pay you enough to make it worth your while, leaving you free to take the one or two orders a week that will make you as much or more than six cheap orders would have.

There's no money in taking a loss.

You are so right. I have got to learn to start thinking like this instead of getting bummed out about it! Thanks, you just opened up a door for me.

Claire138 Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 6:43pm

I recently made a cake that had 1 big fake tier and the other 2 were cake. According to research I did before quoting a price the accepted amount was 20% less. Big Mistake. I did not find the work lessened that much to merit a 20% discount. Lesson learned.

jenmat Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 6:57pm

The thing I find funny about most of these requests is that the bride actually assumes I am going to make her a CUSTOM fake cake. 

 

Now, that's not my line of work, I do real cake that people want to cut and eat, not fake cakes. (insert Seinfeld's "not that there's anything wrong with that" here)

But when they find out that people save money because they are renting a cake like they are renting a tux, they usually back down. No one (here) wants that. And let's say I make the cake, have rented it out to 5 other couples (assuming it comes back in perfect condition), then for EACH couple I have inserted a REAL cake slice that they have then cut and eaten, then returned the cake to me and I have sent it to another couple who have had another cake slice inserted into the SAME SPOT.....

 

Anyone else think that sounds kinda like a 7th grade health class lesson?

 

Sorry.

 

The cake slice scenario always gets me in the end. 

MimiFix Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by sixinarow 
 

Kind of doubting we'll get a website to these awesome, elaborate yet very inexpensive dummy cakes. It's like bigfoot -- just enough few and far-between "sightings" to keep the myth alive. :detective:

 

Well said. CC has far too many posters who brag about exploits with nothing to back up claims. What amazes me, though, are the number of members who believe them and perpetuate these myths.

AZCouture Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 7:35pm

AEleganza! That's the dummy cake site.

http://eleganzacakes.sharepoint.com/Pages/default.aspx

AZCouture Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 7:39pm

AAnd yeah, there's no savings with me doing dummies. If I can fit all their servings into a let's say, three tiered cake, but I have to make a three tiered dummy, and bake and fill and ice a couple of kitchen cakes, that's costing more. It's more work, plain and simple. Even if it's only getting a rough ice, or smooth finish, it's still work, and it's still boards and boxes, and storage, and delivery...blah. no thanks.

howsweet Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 7:43pm

Two more - Cake Rental.com and Fake Cakes by Catherine.

morganchampagne Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 7:44pm

AI'm not seeing the real savings with that plan. So you pay $100 for the 3 tier dummy cake..but you still have to pay for some other dressert or kitchen cakes....I don't get It but good on here for making it work.

scrumdiddlycakes Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 7:47pm

The rental dummy thing has been around for years, it's not some new up and coming threat to all us poor lil helpless cake makers.
The slice thing grosses me out as well. I do dummy cakes, they cost the same as my cakes minus what I charge for the baking/torting/filling etc. They take me way less time than a real cake, but I don't need to tell a bride that.
Which means on an extravagant cake, a bride might save a couple hundred, but I don't sell them alone. If my dummy cake is there, then real cake made by me is being served as well.
I love those orders! I can get the cake done ahead of time, then just whip out some really easy/fast kitchen cakes.
 

AZCouture Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 7:51pm

AYeah, dummies are not some new thing. It's just like all the other recycled vomit that pops up on so called advice sites, written in many circumstances by people who have NEVER made a cake. They get paid for writing articles, nevermind what the subject matter is.

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